To me, they were burnt out and starting to tune out.
- TheFreak

also add in the fact they are just not that good a team.

You are talking about 3 points! Of course small things are going to impact the season. And yes, losing Walker on the blueline, especially with the injuries that occured to other defenseman around the same time, was a factor. The poor PP was definitely a factor. So was losing Carter Hart, which to me was the biggest factor. Torts had his share of the blame, but there is a large slice of blame on the players for their ridiculous collapse at the end of the season to the worst teams in the league.
- jd250

flyers are also one of the worst in the league. not much separation for that distinction.

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dont agree with Carson that high at all. very shocking to me. not much after the top 2.

attard, samu, elliot are more suspect than prospect to me.

so being #17 is subjective I understand. Thats being said seeing the lack of talent at the nhl level future aint all that rosey
- hello it's me 2050

Bjarnson has a chance to be really good. Has been on a bad Jr team. Still a really good prospect. No mention of a kid like Alex Bump? Had a very good year.The
Russian goalie Zavragin? No Macdonald ? It looked like Mckeens list was a mix of last years list and this years? Desnoyers? Had a horrible year.
I’m more Bullish on Andrae than you. I still think he’s going to be a decent top 4 guy.
But I agree the over all list there gets a tad thin.

It’s like you have to sign a waiver when working for this franchise that you are just going to make poor decisions no matter what state the franchise is in.

I really don’t know if there’s a more inept ownership/management team in any of the four major pro sports than Comcast & The Flyers. Like I’m not even joking. They are legitimately worse than the Mets and Commanders.
- hereticpride

Dude, Danny has had 1 year of being a GM. he had to deal with the Hart issue, Fedotov issue and the Cutter issue. I think he did pretty good. The jury is still out on the Drysdale trade but it is a wait and see.

I guess drafting the mad Russian was a bad idea.

Give Danny another year before you judge.

Bjarnson has a chance to be really good. Has been on a bad Jr team. Still a really good prospect. No mention of a kid like Alex Bump? Had a very good year.The
Russian goalie Zavragin? No Macdonald ? It looked like Mckeens list was a mix of last years list and this years? Desnoyers? Had a horrible year.
I’m more Bullish on Andrae than you. I still think he’s going to be a decent top 4 guy.
But I agree the over all list there gets a tad thin.
- landros 2

Many are wondering if he is anything other than an AHLer at this point. He regressed badly this past year, looked disinterested from reports I read and heard.

Bjarnson has a chance to be really good. Has been on a bad Jr team. Still a really good prospect. No mention of a kid like Alex Bump? Had a very good year.The
Russian goalie Zavragin? No Macdonald ? It looked like Mckeens list was a mix of last years list and this years? Desnoyers? Had a horrible year.
I’m more Bullish on Andrae than you. I still think he’s going to be a decent top 4 guy.
But I agree the over all list there gets a tad thin.
- landros 2

we have differing opinions. never been a fan of his and think he was over hyped big time. just do not think he is that good. will say it again should have drafted fowler, that kid is a winner and very good.

From all reports I have read Zavragin is highly thought of and the better of the 2. Now no idea and maybe because he was in lower Russian league not on this list.

I do not see Andrea in a top 4 role at all. I hope he can just be a staple on the bottom pair.

Many are wondering if he is anything other than an AHLer at this point. He regressed badly this past year, looked disinterested from reports I read and heard.
- TheFreak

another guy they somewhat hyped who looks like a dud. This is a huge year for him obviously.

Dude, Danny has had 1 year of being a GM. he had to deal with the Hart issue, Fedotov issue and the Cutter issue. I think he did pretty good. The jury is still out on the Drysdale trade but it is a wait and see.

I guess drafting the mad Russian was a bad idea.

Give Danny another year before you judge.
- WhiskeyMan

We should all know by July 5th what the true direction of the team is. I doubt many on here are going to be happy.

Dude, Danny has had 1 year of being a GM. he had to deal with the Hart issue, Fedotov issue and the Cutter issue. I think he did pretty good. The jury is still out on the Drysdale trade but it is a wait and see.

I guess drafting the mad Russian was a bad idea.

Give Danny another year before you judge.
- WhiskeyMan

the cutter issue he brought on himself.

He knew at some point hart was going to have to answer for what he is being accused of. he should have been prepared.

What Fedotov issue? him staying in Russia was a chuck issue and really out of their control. so it was a non issue to me.

Good thing is if they land a top five pick in 2025 or 2026 they will be tanking according to some folks.

the cutter issue he brought on himself.

He knew at some point hart was going to have to answer for what he is being accused of. he should have been prepared.

What Fedotov issue? him staying in Russia was a chuck issue and really out of their control. so it was a non issue to me.
- hello it's me 2050

I would think he refers to Fedotov signing and playing with a KHL team while under contract to the Flyers and having the IIHF stepping in to try and help.

Had Sean Walker stayed with the team, is there three points in there for us there? Yes. We’re in the playoffs. We would have battled hard; we would have been a difficult opponent for everyone.

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There you have it. Sean Walker was the reason the Flyers didn't make the playoffs. It had nothing to do with Torts coaching, historically bad PP, or horrible OT decisions.

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- Flyers_01

Honestly Carter Hart being gone cost them the playoffs. They had 5-6 games down the stretch that just required average goaltending to get a point(s) and they did not get it.

Walker was a big loss though. He played very well for the Flyers. Happy they were able to get a first for him.

I would think he refers to Fedotov signing and playing with a KHL team while under contract to the Flyers and having the IIHF stepping in to try and help.
- TheFreak

correct, that was under chucks watch and a non-issue to me as nothing the flyers could do.

Honestly Carter Hart being gone cost them the playoffs. They had 5-6 games down the stretch that just required average goaltending to get a point(s) and they did not get it.

Walker was a big loss though. He played very well for the Flyers. Happy they were able to get a first for him.
- mickel25

pp cost them the playoffs. was putrid from day 1

Good thing is if they land a top five pick in 2025 or 2026 they will be tanking according to some folks.
- mickel25

I have never advocated for a tank job by the Flyers. I don't agree with it, but it has worked for other organizations.

To me, I am fine with the Flyers regressing from last year. Regressing is not tanking. I think it is to be expected. I think Torts will wear on the team as a whole, and we will start to see the team be affected by his ways in a bigger way. I don't think the Flyers are a very good team at all, and I think other teams in the Metro will be better next year. I think Keefe will have the NJD ( will have a healthy Hamilton and Hughes back) firing on all cylinders during the regular season, I expect the Islanders to be better under Roy after a full training camp and any changes he wants to see. I just think with the amount of dead cap the Flyers have on the payroll, the lack of a PP, teams playing closer to expectations....including the Flyers, I just think this is going to be a down year.

And that's not taking into account the signing mistakes, and needless buyouts that are heading are way shortly.

pp cost them the playoffs. was putrid from day 1
- hello it's me 2050

Not going to argue against your point. There were many factors.

If they got average goaltending after the TDL they would've been in the playoffs.

In the end, they are better off not making the playoffs.

Seems weird to me that the GM wasn’t in that press conference yesterday.

correct, that was under chucks watch and a non-issue to me as nothing the flyers could do.
- hello it's me 2050

Last September (2023) was not under Fletchers watch. The military camp aspect was, but not 8 months ago. Not disputing what could be done or who was to blame on that one, but the OP stated he had to deal with the Fedotov situation, which happened last fall, under Briere.

I have never advocated for a tank job by the Flyers. I don't agree with it, but it has worked for other organizations.

To me, I am fine with the Flyers regressing from last year. I think it is to be expected. I think Torts wil wear on the team as a whole, and we will start to see the team be affected by his ways in a bigger way. I don't think the Flyers are a very good team at all, and I think other teams in the Metro will be better next year. I think Keefe will have the NJD ( will have a healthy Hamilton and Hughes back) firing on all cylinders during the regular season, I expect the Islanders to be better under Roy after a full training camp and any changes he wants to see. I just think with the amount of dead cap the Flyers have on the payroll, the lack of a PP, teams playing closer to expectations....including the Flyers, I just think this is going to be a down year.

And that's not taking into account the signing mistakes, and needless buyouts that are heading are way shortly.
- TheFreak

They just need to realize there position in the league and act accordingly.

To me, they were burnt out and starting to tune out.
- TheFreak

Maybe, but to me these are professional athletes that are wired to win. I expect they are physically and mentally conditioned to play an 82 game season and finish with a strong desire to win. The team didn't look burned out in the last 3 games of the season. I think Jones hit it right on the head, the team collapsed because they underestimated their weaker opponents, which was something they did quite often last season (San Jose game early in the season as an example).

another guy they somewhat hyped who looks like a dud. This is a huge year for him obviously.
- hello it's me 2050

He had such a good D+1 year and then looked solid in his start with the Phantoms…then this year? I agree he really needs his “breakout”year this year.

Many are wondering if he is anything other than an AHLer at this point. He regressed badly this past year, looked disinterested from reports I read and heard.
- TheFreak

A+ development from Lappy and the Phantoms coaching crew.

I have never advocated for a tank job by the Flyers. I don't agree with it, but it has worked for other organizations.

To me, I am fine with the Flyers regressing from last year. Regressing is not tanking. I think it is to be expected. I think Torts will wear on the team as a whole, and we will start to see the team be affected by his ways in a bigger way. I don't think the Flyers are a very good team at all, and I think other teams in the Metro will be better next year. I think Keefe will have the NJD ( will have a healthy Hamilton and Hughes back) firing on all cylinders during the regular season, I expect the Islanders to be better under Roy after a full training camp and any changes he wants to see. I just think with the amount of dead cap the Flyers have on the payroll, the lack of a PP, teams playing closer to expectations....including the Flyers, I just think this is going to be a down year.

And that's not taking into account the signing mistakes, and needless buyouts that are heading are way shortly.
- TheFreak

I think the Flyers will regress in the standings next season for a number of reasons: 1. they will not be signing any significant free agents this offseason, 2. their goaltending will not be has good as it was last year, and 3. other metro teams will improve. What I do expect is the Flyers will improve their special teams. Keep the PK above 80% and get the PP up to 18-20%. This along with continued development of players like Foerster and York and some infusion of youth on the blue line should make it a positive season regardless of where they finish in the standings. And if Michkov comes over, all them ore positive.

I’ll go back to the trade proposal of TK and Laughts for BUF’s #11 and Krebs or prospect.

There is no way to know who could be available at 11 and 12 but can you imagine a Helenius and Catton draft? That might actually be (obviously metaphorically) a Carter and Richard’s moment. Or a Catton/Helenius and Eiserman draft? I’m not high on Eiserman because I don’t like one dimensional players but the kid was #2 on many draft lists for nearly 3/4 of a year.

That is the kind of trade that would keep me as a fan. Signing TK long term will force me out. I can’t watch the same old sh$!.
- coffee junkie

Is krebs a good prospect?

He had such a good D+1 year and then looked solid in his start with the Phantoms…then this year? I agree he really needs his “breakout”year this year.
- landros 2

With Laczynski likely moving on from the Flyers, Desnoyers will have a chance to shine, but I agree this will be his last chance to step up.