Would you offer sheet Kakko from the rangers NYR are in a cap push and though they won’t likely trade him to us being a rival an offer sheet would be a risk but would build that rivalry between the teams which is always a good thing Kids got potential
- GPerogie

Kakko is not worth the assets an offer sheet would entail. The Rangers would probably match one that isn't an overpay anyway.

No for me. I like the thinking outside the box here but:

1. He is a RW and the team is already very stacked in that position. If you trade TK, maybe this isn’t as big an issue.
2. I can’t see a number I’d be happy paying him that wouldn’t be a big risk.
3. Kid might be a bust and we don’t need to take that chance on a RW. If we are going to take risks, it should be for C and D.
- coffee junkie

plus torts will never bring out any offensive potential that may exist

https://www.nhl.com/news/...gery-injury-status-update

was this reported previously? what was the injury?

"He wanted to play games," Briere said. "He's had a lot of injuries to deal with the last few years so he wanted to play, so I give him a lot of credit. He showed a lot of character, leadership, the way he handled it.

pure negligence to not shut him down. such short sightedness and all about the playoffs. no long term plan at all

No, it wasn't a tough decision in my opinion. If you're truly rebuilding, it's a very easy decision to make.
- MJL

So if they re sign TK ( which I am not in favor of), trade Laughton, Frost, Risto, and Hathaway before next summer would that be considered part of a rebuild? Granted, I have no idea if all these players will be traded. I don't agree with the premise of protecting "culture" thru a rebuild, but this appears to me what is happening.

Would you offer sheet Kakko from the rangers NYR are in a cap push and though they won’t likely trade him to us being a rival an offer sheet would be a risk but would build that rivalry between the teams which is always a good thing Kids got potential
- GPerogie

Absolutely not.

Briere wasn't as sure about the future of forward Ryan Johansen, who was acquired in a trade with the Colorado Avalanche on March 6 but hasn’t played for Philadelphia because of a hip injury.

"He's going through some kind of rehab," Briere said. "He had an injection, claims he has a hip injury. At this point, honestly I'm not too sure where it's at. We're not sure if he's going to need surgery, or if he's going to be ready for camp. We don't really know at this point.

so the supposed gm of a nhl team is not sure where he is at? gold standard

I wish I had the bookmarked the post from a couple days ago where the poster compared winning the percentage of teams winning the Stanley cup to living to 97 yrs old.

This is kind of what i remember so pardon to the OP if it's not accurate.

Only about 3% live to 97 but 2.7% of that 3% are people who eat healthy and exercise.

The vast majority will never live that long but the few that do have things in common.

It's not a question of whether high draft picks (and hitting on them) guarantee a stanley cup, it's that there's no other statistical significant way to win one.

Everyone wants the Flyers to YOLO and wonder why they never advance.

I would rather try to win the Stanley Cup the proven way rather than have the team act like a 20 something with poor impulse control every year who doesn't understand why they are broke and in debt.

No matter how many times this is explained, people will wait a few days and bring up Buffalo like clockwork.
- Flyers_01

This irony of it all, which they don't get. Looking at the approach they advocate for, there is much higher rate of failure and a much lower rate of success. A lot more "Buffalo's". The same people who will bring up Buffalo, will bring up Vegas. They want to look at the outliers rather than the statistical norm.

Briere wasn't as sure about the future of forward Ryan Johansen, who was acquired in a trade with the Colorado Avalanche on March 6 but hasn’t played for Philadelphia because of a hip injury.

"He's going through some kind of rehab," Briere said. "He had an injection, claims he has a hip injury. At this point, honestly I'm not too sure where it's at. We're not sure if he's going to need surgery, or if he's going to be ready for camp. We don't really know at this point.

so the supposed gm of a nhl team is not sure where he is at? gold standard
- hello it's me 2050

The whole “claims he has a hip injury” was a direct shot.

So if they re sign TK ( which I am not in favor of), trade Laughton, Frost, Risto, and Hathaway before next summer would that be considered part of a rebuild? Granted, I have no idea if all these players will be traded. I don't agree with the premise of protecting "culture" thru a rebuild, but this appears to me what is happening.
- Trox88

You're premise is incomplete. What type of players or assets are they trading those players for? Simply because if you're trading all those players for future assets, then does it make sense to re-sign Konecny?

https://www.nhl.com/news/flyers-jamie-drysdale-surgery-injury-status-update

was this reported previously? what was the injury?

"He wanted to play games," Briere said. "He's had a lot of injuries to deal with the last few years so he wanted to play, so I give him a lot of credit. He showed a lot of character, leadership, the way he handled it.

pure negligence to not shut him down. such short sightedness and all about the playoffs. no long term plan at all
- hello it's me 2050

With the Flyers stellar history with abdominal and core injuries. This should turn out great.

Briere wasn't as sure about the future of forward Ryan Johansen, who was acquired in a trade with the Colorado Avalanche on March 6 but hasn’t played for Philadelphia because of a hip injury.

"He's going through some kind of rehab," Briere said. "He had an injection, claims he has a hip injury. At this point, honestly I'm not too sure where it's at. We're not sure if he's going to need surgery, or if he's going to be ready for camp. We don't really know at this point.

so the supposed gm of a nhl team is not sure where he is at? gold standard
- hello it's me 2050

Wtf?

So they think RJ is lying? Or they think it's all psychosomatic? Or he refuses to submit to the team doctors?

Or maybe it's just some broken English from Danny?

The whole “claims he has a hip injury” was a direct shot.
- landros 2

another case where it seems danny boy may have not done his due diligence. did the coach/gm and the assistant gm even discuss what the plan would be if they acquire ryjo?

what they should have done is put him in the lineup right away then go from there. another situation seems they bungled.

Wtf?

So they think RJ is lying? Or they think it's all psychosomatic? Or he refuses to submit to the team doctors?

Or maybe it's just some broken English from Danny?


- Tomahawk

any thoughts on the JD surgery?

the optics for this franchise are just horrible.

another case where it seems danny boy may have not done his due diligence. did the coach/gm and the assistant gm even discuss what the plan would be if they acquire ryjo?

what they should have done is put him in the lineup right away then go from there. another situation seems they bungled.
- hello it's me 2050

Apparently RYJO is a cancer in the dressing room. They had no intention of playing him in Philly.

You're premise is incomplete. What type of players or assets are they trading those players for? Simply because if you're trading all those players for future assets, then does it make sense to re-sign Konecny?
- MJL

They shouldn't re sign Konecny period. I would retain 50% and make him as attractable as possible.

But none of the media ever pin the front office down when asking questions.

Question I would ask. You "say" this is a rebuild, then how does extending Konecny give fans that visual? Wouldn't listening to offers on one of your more attractable pieces be something a rebuilding team would do?

At least make them answer the question.

Follow up: So then it's now really a rebuild, just a retool which is similar to what the previous regimes have tried, correct?

another case where it seems danny boy may have not done his due diligence. did the coach/gm and the assistant gm even discuss what the plan would be if they acquire ryjo?

what they should have done is put him in the lineup right away then go from there. another situation seems they bungled.
- hello it's me 2050

I don't think it is the case on this one. I think they had every intention to send him to Lehigh. But if he says he is injured they cannot do that.

Apparently RYJO is a cancer in the dressing room. They had no intention of playing him in Philly.
- landros 2

so now look at the situation they are in with him? doesn't look good either way.

I don't think it is the case on this one. I think they had every intention to send him to Lehigh. But if he says he is injured they cannot do that.
- J35Bacher

that is why you play him right away then possibly make a move to waive him. you give him a shot as there was nothing to lose. if he ends up being a problem then you deal with it.

To trade for a consequential pick you have to move a player that is going to hurt not having next year.
For arguments sake let’s say Buffalo took Konecny for the 11th over all. Not only are the Flyers going to get the 11th pick, they are also not going to be as competitive next year thus giving them a better chance to have a higher pick next year. I agree I’d like to see them be aggressive in the rebuild.
- landros 2

I just want to see a rebuild period.

I just want to see a rebuild period.
- TheFreak

how do you rebuild if it has never been built?

You're premise is incomplete. What type of players or assets are they trading those players for? Simply because if you're trading all those players for future assets, then does it make sense to re-sign Konecny?
- MJL

Assets acquired will be used to fit the "culture", of course. 😀 I do believe there will be significant roster turnover between now and next summer. How much is certainly debatable. Since Briere was hired as the GM players moved- JVR, Hayes, Provy, Hart, DeAngelo, Gauthier, Walker, and Staal. No argument from me that most were easy decisions or out of Briere's control. My basic point is roster turnover has been happening and with player contracts on the roster certainly more movement will happen- Atkinson, Johansen, and Petersen. No doubt easy decisions, but what happens after those contracts fall off-who knows. I have been very clear I would not re sign TK. If they don't trade Laughton it would be malpractice. However, this mythical "culture" is obviously influencing their decision process. Roster change is happening, not to the extent that I wish for in the name of "culture". My basic question is how many dudes do you need to maintain the "culture"? By contract alone, Sanheim, Seeler, and Couts will be here a long time. How many more then 2 established vets are needed to maintain the "culture"? I have no idea, and that is why I am personally frustrated by the current path.

that is why you play him right away then possibly make a move to waive him. you give him a shot as there was nothing to lose. if he ends up being a problem then you deal with it.
- hello it's me 2050

I think he claimed he was injured as soon as he got there. I could be wrong.

Honestly I don't care what he and Torts have going on, I would keep him on the NHL roster. If he gives you something, then maybe you can move him for a late pick. Teams are always looking for centers.

The Flyers are not in a good enough state to be all choosy. They need to make real decisions or the fan base will turn quick

I think he claimed he was injured as soon as he got there. I could be wrong.

Honestly I don't care what he and Torts have going on, I would keep him on the NHL roster. If he gives you something, then maybe you can move him for a late pick. Teams are always looking for centers.

The Flyers are not in a good enough state to be all choosy. They need to make real decisions or the fan base will turn quick
- J35Bacher

I read he wanted to make it work flyers told him no they will try to trade him. then obviously waived him asap.

well, that won't happen as torts makes the nhl level decisions. a smart team would have played him for that purpose. then if he was hurt then so be it.

No I don’t…that was said in jest.

I also don’t think it has to be torn down to the studs…I’m not sure it’s realistic as some of the contracts aren’t movable, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be effective in doing one. I just am getting the sense that they are telling the fan base one thing and doing another….and after another failed attempt I’m in for another decade of shiiity hockey and cheering for a non relevant team. I’ve seen the last two guys attempt this and it ends the same way.
- landros 2

I’m not saying you trade everyone away. But they should be trading TK for sure and then also looking at what Sanheim and Laughton can get them. The other older vets are untrade-able at this point. I would not be moving York, Foerster, Drysdale, and some others. But I am definitely listening on Farabee, Frost, Brink, etc. Moving the first 3 should get you a decent return of assets and will make them take a step back next season which should position them to draft one of the top 2025 centers.

If they can make the right moves by moving up for a D this year while still keeping 12 or acquiring another top 11 pick and they come away with a future #1D and possibly a #2C then they’re a year ahead by getting both players in one draft. Then 2025 becomes where they can get their 1C.

Ultimately, I agree that they’re saying one thing and doing another. I think they correctly identified the fans anger in Fletcher refusing to say rebuild. So they’re using the term rebuild but what they’re actually doing is the same old “retool.” This board alone shows how muddied the interpretation of “rebuild” is to everyone.

Bringing up Buffalo or the 76ers if you want, is not a good point in my opinion as a retort to those that want the Flyers to "tank" or rebuild properly. The latter term I prefer.
- MJL

My issue with tanking is that it’s bringing a loosing attitude to teams and that attitude or atmosphere is hard to get out of! The talent gains are great but that loosing culture is poison for organization for years.