Contract year, Marner will put up 108 points in 72 regular season games.. Come playoff time, he'll get 0G and 1 A in another first rd exit.
- PatC80

For someone who leads the leafs in playoff points, not sure that occurs (or led, havent checked this year)

You still want to fear a cap freeze due to a massive healthcare issue like Covid?

lol trust me with all the time I spend in a hospital that’s not something to worry about
- Dozzer

Or a major financial collapse and major recession in the economy because of the mass printing of money and incompetent government spending...

He's been overpaid at 10.93 for the duration of that contract and it's not "barely" overpaid - especially if you compare him to the other wingers in the league that have put up #'s similar to his, &/or have been far more of an impactful playoff performer.

Your Marner goggles don't seem to allow you to see the reality of the situation, your certainty that he will be a Leafs after his current contract is cute in the way a child loves their dog but it's far from a certainty with Dubas not as the GM.

Tre isn't Dubas and has zero loyalty to anyone other than the organization and that means he will re-sign Marner if he feels the deal makes sense for the organization and it's longer term success. If he thinks Marner's camp wants too much and they are not willing to compromise / seek fair compensation then Marner will be gone one way (trade) or another (Walks as a UFA).

Tre is not obligated to double down and overpay Marner a 2nd time just because Dubas tried to right the alleged wrong made by LL.

The Leafs are plenty talented and the theory that if they let Marner go are doomed to fall is 100% a fallacy that is being narrated by Marner fan boys like you.

Everyone needs to just strap in and see where the ride ends, nobody knows at this point, not you, not Marner or his camp and not Tre and the last 2 won't really know until they get deep into negotiations (assuming they do get to that point).
- Cush29

It hasnt been the duration. Hes been a 90 plus pt player for years.
He didnt deserve the deal that Dubas gave to him, neither did Matthews.
The past three years hes earned pretty close his contract.
He was stellar in last years first round and the only reason the leafs won a game in round 2.

It hasnt been the duration. Hes been a 90 plus pt player for years.
He didnt deserve the deal that Dubas gave to him, neither did Matthews.
The past three years hes earned pretty close his contract.
He was stellar in last years first round and the only reason the leafs won a game in round 2.
- Fakepartofme

No.

Only recency bias allowed.

You still want to fear a cap freeze due to a massive healthcare issue like Covid?

lol trust me with all the time I spend in a hospital that’s not something to worry about
- Dozzer

Anything could occur.
And the exact same thing was thought prior to covid and after h1n1 and sars
But it could be financial, war, trump, wanna be trump pp.
As weve seen, it doesnt take much

But we're hoping it doesn't

Or a major financial collapse and major recession in the economy because of the mass printing of money and incompetent government spending...
- Rare_Jewel

Oh lord, live life worrying is stupidity. You don’t hand out contracts for instance based on a belief that there will be some sort of economic crash in the near future.

Anything could occur.
And the exact same thing was thought prior to covid and after h1n1 and sars
But it could be financial, war, trump, wanna be trump pp.
As weve seen, it doesnt take much

But we're hoping it doesn't
- Fakepartofme

It took fans not being allowed into arenas which is not great for a league where revenues are driven by attendance. I think the prospect of a lockout is a much bigger deal.

Anything could occur.
And the exact same thing was thought prior to covid and after h1n1 and sars
But it could be financial, war, trump, wanna be trump pp.
As weve seen, it doesnt take much

But we're hoping it doesn't
- Fakepartofme

Those things could occur but as I said you don’t let that effect your behaviour or choice making, especially for a business.

For someone who leads the leafs in playoff points, not sure that occurs (or led, havent checked this year)
- Fakepartofme

I feel like we went through this yesterday. Marner, come playoff time is not consistent enough and hasn't been very good in the post-season

I feel like we went through this yesterday. Marner, come playoff time is not consistent enough and hasn't been very good in the post-season
- PatC80

Except when he leads the Leafs in playoff scoring like he did against Tampa Bay and has more career playoff points than his Leafs peers.

But when Matthews only scores 1 goal in a series, never happened.

Oh lord, live life worrying is stupidity. You don’t hand out contracts for instance based on a belief that there will be some sort of economic crash in the near future.
- Dozzer

Just saying, the assumption that the cap will go up forever in a linear fashion is a bad one.

False. 5th in points the past 5 years, Selke votes, two-way PKer, as many takeaways as Matthews. More playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.

You want to talk about false? He's been nominated once - EVER. Meaning he got votes ONCE.

It's adorable how much you love Marner, almost understandable as he is a fantastic player, top 10 winger in the league but when you go and fabricate things to make him seem better than he is to strengthen your opinion and the truth is right there you lose pretty much all credibility.

Sure count total playoff points - that doesn't tell the whole story and it's convenient (and your MO) to go to this stat when the conversation is about players who have a real impact on a playoff run. Marner has had some but he's been in far more playoff series where the Leafs needed him to be the impactful player he is in the regular season and he simply was not. This years playoffs, round 2 last year, round vs the Habs......need I go on?


Shanahan was in charge under Dubas and he's in charge now under Treliving. The GM doesn't matter because Shanahan is calling the shots. Always has been.
- Rare_Jewel

This is your opinion and although it's possible / perhaps even likely that Shanny had a lot of influence over Dubas I highly suspect he will have far less over Tre as far as player movement / signing. Never forget Dubas's "We can and we will" proclamation and that Marner was part of that when it was questioned how they would have success paying the top 4 so much money. Those days are gone and Tre is probably looking to distance himself from those types of assurances that proved to not be attainable.


Until you can view this entire situation somewhat objectively and not emotionally and stop fabricating and deflecting/moving goal posts nobody will take what you say about Marner seriously.

I suspect you already know this though and just don't care and this is your way to stomp your feet and say no way they will not re-sign your favourite Leaf ever, regardless of the cost.

Just becuase you say something over and over again doesn't will it to be true.

Alts gunna' Alt though I guess eh?

It hasnt been the duration. Hes been a 90 plus pt player for years.
He didnt deserve the deal that Dubas gave to him, neither did Matthews.
The past three years hes earned pretty close his contract.
He was stellar in last years first round and the only reason the leafs won a game in round 2.
- Fakepartofme

Really?

Ok so let's play a game - who was the top paid player at the position Marner plays for the duration of the contract?

Now was he the best player at his position every year he was paid 10.9M?

One Year?

2 Years?

Hint - he was not in any of those years and still isn't.

He's overpaid now and has been since they started to pay him 10.9 M.

Off the top of my head Kucherov, Pasta and Rantonen are all players I'd rather have than Marner when I factor in what they are paid / provide.

I also rank all 3 of them as more impactful than Marner in the playoffs.

Just saying, the assumption that the cap will go up forever in a linear fashion is a bad one.
- Rare_Jewel

No, it’s what is expected without a surprise happening. So that’s what you plan for.

Is it a coaching problem, a team structure problem or a who shows up come playoffs time?
- Symba007

D) All of the above.

They've fixed A.

If they can fix B....trading Marner....then C will fix itself with a more balanced roster and different player dynamic mixed with the new coaching staff.

Errr....hopefully?

it's possible / perhaps even likely that Shanny had a lot of influence over Dubas I highly suspect he will have far less over Tre as far as player movement / signing.
- Cush29

Laughable.

Until you can view this entire situation somewhat objectively and not emotionally and stop fabricating and deflecting/moving goal posts nobody will take what you say about Marner seriously.

I suspect you already know this though and just don't care and this is your way to stomp your feet and say no way they will not re-sign your favourite Leaf ever, regardless of the cost.

Just becuase you say something over and over again doesn't will it to be true.

Pot meet kettle.

Are you describing Skalapy morning workout?
- Fakepartofme

i’m more of an evening guy but…yeah👊🏿

No.

Only recency bias allowed.
- Rare_Jewel

False but ignore facts and believe what you want - the fact remains nobody knows what will happen with Marner but they sure as poop better not pay him 13M per year based on what he has done in the majority of the playoff series he has played.

Racking up playoff points with assists is great, disappearing in round 2 or when the game gets too physical is not and thusfar that's been Marner's MO. Sorry to speak the truth - you can post that he has more playoff points than whomever you want most who watch the games feel his playoff performances have not been good enough based on his salary.

Laughable.

Yes because your conspiricy theory about Tre agreeing to come to Toronto to be a puppet for Shanny is so much more believable. It's right up there with your theory that contracts should now be signed factoring in a global financial crisis blah blah blah good god man.


Pot meet kettle.
- Rare_Jewel

I don't think you know what this ^ means but just to make it clear to you I want Marner to stay but not at anything more than what he is worth. And that's not 13M and it's not even 12.5 M.

I'd pay him what Willy got max period and I'm not even sure I'd happy if they have to pay him that.

Or leads the team in playoff scoring like he did when they beat Tampa Bay last season.
- Rare_Jewel

Leading the team is least smelly poop doesn't mean he didn't poop.

Marner sucks in the playoffs. Marner will be way too expensive to suck in the playoffs. Trade him.

PS...he could be a very big reason why the other guys aren't scoring since he is the $11M "playmaking" winger who deserves $13M now. Maybe his giveaways and ball-less chicken poop play while handling the puck like a grenade in the playoffs are getting in the way of other players' production?!?!

Just saying, the assumption that the cap will go up forever in a linear fashion is a bad one.
- Rare_Jewel

Says the guy who not only made an assumption but claimed it was a certaincy that the Leafs would pay Marner what 12/13M on a new deal?


You can't even make this stuff up, it's gold Jerry GOLD!

False. 5th in points the past 5 years, Selke votes, two-way PKer, as many takeaways as Matthews. More playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.



Shanahan was in charge under Dubas and he's in charge now under Treliving. The GM doesn't matter because Shanahan is calling the shots. Always has been.
- Rare_Jewel

stats aren't the only thing to look at. There's the eye test which doesn't seem right sometimes

No.

Only recency bias allowed.
- Rare_Jewel

7 years of playoff disappointment is not recency bias dude.

Leading the team is least smelly poop doesn't mean he didn't poop.

Marner sucks in the playoffs. Marner will be way too expensive to suck in the playoffs. Trade him.

PS...he could be a very big reason why the other guys aren't scoring since he is the $11M "playmaking" winger who deserves $13M now. Maybe his giveaways and ball-less chicken poop play while handling the puck like a grenade in the playoffs are getting in the way of other players' production?!?!
- underhill14

7 years of playoff disappointment is not recency bias dude.
- underhill14

So trade Matthews too?

Oh lord, live life worrying is stupidity. You don’t hand out contracts for instance based on a belief that there will be some sort of economic crash in the near future.
- Dozzer

the bank of canada lowered the interest rate today by .25
my line of credit is going to like this