keep in mind he is asking the flyers for it not another team.

him and his agent see the incompetence.
- hello it's me 2050

They know they have the flyers by the balls. Lose konecny to ufa and they lose…grit

Interesting theory there. It has zero to do with what I enjoy and everything to do with reality. The reality is that players that Tortorella left alone and gave ice time to. Such as Foerster and Tippett made improvement and grew in some areas as players. While others, such as Zamula, Frost and Brink, had their development slowed by Tortorella and how he handled him. What this exposes is Tortorella's bias and inconsistent approach to young player development. Foerster was allowed to keep playing even though he struggled for months to produce offensively. Which is an approach that I agree with. Tippett, despite being horrendous defensively in his play away from the puck, was never held to account for that. While the other 3 were. There are only so many players to play. Somebody has to play. Tortorella routinely played veteran players who were not better over younger players. He overplayed players such as Poehling and Hathaway. Including the well referenced final game where after a low event first period. Due to the way Washington was playing. He sat Brink and Frost. Which was a premeditated decision in my opinion. There is very little evidence that Tortorella has any effectiveness as a development coach of young players with the exception of being able to teach defenseman how to defend.



Phil Myers is a perfect example of how an organization can ruin a young player. His regression had zero to do with a lack of hockey sense or smarts for the NHL.
- MJL

How did they ruin Myers? You said players should be free to play through their struggles. Myers was given more than enough opportunity and couldn’t put it together. They didn’t pursue a Niskanen replacement because they expected Myers to be a full time player. Even after moving on he has barely been able to crack the lineup of either Nashville or TB.

The 10M is just the starting point for the negotiation. They start high, you counter low and meet in the middle.
- MJL

My point is that I am more worried about the term length than the cap hit.

Did i just see Marc Staal resigned?

WTF is is going on.

I want to support this team and they continue to make it hard.


- J35Bacher

As a coach or advisor, right?

How did they ruin Myers? You said players should be free to play through their struggles. Myers was given more than enough opportunity and couldn’t put it together. They didn’t pursue a Niskanen replacement because they expected Myers to be a full time player. Even after moving on he has barely been able to crack the lineup of either Nashville or TB.
- Schmojo

he will not provide any real answer or detail.

did they ruin him those first 50-60 games when he looked good? or was that just a flash in the pan for what was to come? flash in the pan it seems

How did they ruin Myers? You said players should be free to play through their struggles. Myers was given more than enough opportunity and couldn’t put it together. They didn’t pursue a Niskanen replacement because they expected Myers to be a full time player. Even after moving on he has barely been able to crack the lineup of either Nashville or TB.
- Schmojo

Yeah, even Nashville gave up on him. If they of all teams couldn’t sort him out he was a lost cause

Watch them trade Michkov for a Center and re-sign TK.

It’d be the most Flyers thing ever.
- hereticpride

I think they should just put him on waivers and hope someone else takes him so we don’t have to deal with him and open up cap space. Down side is we’d have to find another player to complain about and look to get rid of. Haha

How did they ruin Myers? You said players should be free to play through their struggles. Myers was given more than enough opportunity and couldn’t put it together. They didn’t pursue a Niskanen replacement because they expected Myers to be a full time player. Even after moving on he has barely been able to crack the lineup of either Nashville or TB.
- Schmojo

By elevating him up in the lineup into a top 4 role he was not ready for. They tried to find a replacement for Niskanen but weren't able to. The Flyers under Vigneault in the end were a mess defensively as they struggled to play his hybrid overload/man to man defensive zone system. Veteran defenseman struggled in that situation. Let along a young player. It crushed his confidence and he has never been able to get back to where he was. Before that, he was fast tracking thought the AHL as an undrafted free agent into the NHL, including solid play with the Flyers in 18/19 and 19/20

My point is that I am more worried about the term length than the cap hit.
- MBFlyerfan

That's going to be 8 years. Why would Konecny take less?

They know they have the flyers by the balls. Lose konecny to ufa and they lose…grit
- Just5

The key is not to give anyone a full ntc. If you want to re sign him do so then if they want to get rid of him, then they can do so for some assets.

They know they have the flyers by the balls. Lose konecny to ufa and they lose…grit
- Just5

The key is not to give anyone a full ntc. If you want to re sign him do so then if they want to get rid of him, then they can do so for some assets.

By elevating him up in the lineup into a top 4 role he was not ready for. They tried to find a replacement for Niskanen but weren't able to. The Flyers under Vigneault in the end were a mess defensively as they struggled to play his hybrid overload/man to man defensive zone system. Veteran defenseman struggled in that situation. Let along a young player. It crushed his confidence and he has never been able to get back to where he was. Before that, he was fast tracking thought the AHL as an undrafted free agent into the NHL, including solid play with the Flyers in 18/19 and 19/20
- MJL

killed his confidence? is that a fact? then he wasn't that good to begin with. so x amount of years later his confidence is still shot? or is it a simple fact he just isn't a top 6 nhl dman on any consistent basis? amazing cliff it really is amazing.

how was his confidence those first 50 games?

The key is not to give anyone a full ntc. If you want to re sign him do so then if they want to get rid of him, then they can do so for some assets.
- Hextall271

The hang up on the contract will be term imo. DB doesn’t want to pay guys well into their 30’s. York will get an 8 year deal just like Tippett. I don’t think DB goes over 6 years for TK. I believe that would be their breaking point.

I have NOT seen that. Link?
- MBFlyerfan

Because it didn't happen.

I think it is setting up very nicely for Catton to be there @ 12. Besides the blueline prospects, Eiserman and Sennecke seem to have a good chance at going top 10. I expect Helenius and Lindstrom to definitely go top 10.

The hang up on the contract will be term imo. DB doesn’t want to pay guys well into their 30’s. York will get an 8 year deal just like Tippett. I don’t think DB goes over 6 years for TK. I believe that would be their breaking point.
- Just5

If they want to re-sign Konecny, they will have to give him 8 years. I don't believe that they will move him due to not being able to agree on term.

killed his confidence? is that a fact? then he wasn't that good to begin with. so x amount of years later his confidence is still shot? or is it a simple fact he just isn't a top 6 nhl dman on any consistent basis? amazing cliff it really is amazing.

how was his confidence those first 50 games?
- hello it's me 2050

Kiss kiss

My 16 year old sons favorite team is Dallas. I have watched over 65 Dallas games this year with him. They are a very complete team.... from goaltending to defense to the forwards. Stankovin is a great little player that plays much bigger than his size. He was a nice second rounder for sure. Jim Nill has done a great job with the team..trades, signings and drafting. Cap wise, they sit nicely too.

Not counting McDavid and Co out, but Dallas has handled the reigning Champs, MacKinnon and crew...both of which have a better all around team than Edmonton, and upper end talent that is comparable to Edmonton...Mackinnon, Rantanen and Makar is pretty equal to McDavid, Pasternak and Ekholm. Point is, Dallas has handled tougher teams this year, and looked really good doing it.

Dallas just doesn't seem phased by the other teams talent, and has responded nicely after going down a goal or two. Oettinger is the stud we hoped we had in Hart, and is starting to creep into the elite goalie status in my books. He has had a great run so far this year in the playoffs.

Dallas is going to be really hard to beat 4 times in 7 games. It only happened one time this season, back in February.
- TheFreak

Apologies for the blog-hopping-reply. Seems relevant to ongoing discussion ....

Nice for you and your son. Having said that, if you support anything Dallas, I have to politely ask you to turn in your Philly sports badge, sir.

Also, I don't like the team. I acknowledge they are good at what they do, but they were able to beat Avs because of the extreme drop off after the Mac line was off the ice. It was so transparent. If Casey Mittelstadt is your 2C in a playoff series ..well.......

And as far as EDM goes, their D is simply not good enough to withstand the pressure Stars put on them with their manic style of attack.

Strategically, they do a tremendous job forcing play towards the boards when the other team comes up ice. Time and again, you see EDM players throttled off, and being forced to dump and chase. EDM really misses a good puck moving Dman who is a threat to make a good pass or occasionally come up the ice himself.

Dump and chase is not the style Oilers were built to play. Stars hound the puck and are very good in cutting off lanes whenEDM does gain entry. I am disappointed at the failure to adapt by the Oilers. They are always going for the extra pass in close range, the extra deke. Draisatl in particular is having a poor series to my eyes (by his standards).

Then, when the Stars gain possession, they streak down hell for leather and seem to overwhelm the other D by rattling them with their relentless style of attack.

It is telling to me that the team they had the most trouble (VGK) is a veteran team with a big D. I am hoping Rangers win their own series, and can knock them out. Fox's leg is a concern; he just doesn't look himself. But NY is getting lots of scoring up and down the line up. Great goals by Alex LF. Goodrow is a playoff veteran who is flourishing.

Some of their D is a little small though, esp back end. But I still don't see Stars just hustling the blueshirts the way they have done to the skill teams of Avs and Oilers.

EDIT: Also, Shesterkin.

That's going to be 8 years. Why would Konecny take less?
- MJL

He wont, that is why I want him gone. Which wont happen.

killed his confidence? is that a fact? then he wasn't that good to begin with. so x amount of years later his confidence is still shot? or is it a simple fact he just isn't a top 6 nhl dman on any consistent basis? amazing cliff it really is amazing.

how was his confidence those first 50 games?
- hello it's me 2050

Lol killed his confidence for his entire life, can you believe it

killed his confidence? is that a fact? then he wasn't that good to begin with. so x amount of years later his confidence is still shot? or is it a simple fact he just isn't a top 6 nhl dman on any consistent basis? amazing cliff it really is amazing.

how was his confidence those first 50 games?
- hello it's me 2050

It must be a fact if MJL said so. Some players just don't have it despite early success. See: Akeson, Jason. Hilarious how the "great one" is still bringing up Myers and blaming the Flyers for ruining him. If he was any good, he would have overcome the adversity by now and be playing in the NHL.

The hang up on the contract will be term imo. DB doesn’t want to pay guys well into their 30’s. York will get an 8 year deal just like Tippett. I don’t think DB goes over 6 years for TK. I believe that would be their breaking point.
- Just5

I sure hope you are right. I've always been a TK fan and I know the term and price are a starting point, but I don't want him for 8 years, or God forbid more. I'd be fine with 6 years for TK but that's it. I'm interested to see what DB does and hope he surprises us by not doing the typical Flyers thing.

I sure hope you are right. I've always been a TK fan and I know the term and price are a starting point, but I don't want him for 8 years, or God forbid more. I'd be fine with 6 years for TK but that's it. I'm interested to see what DB does and hope he surprises us by not doing the typical Flyers thing.
- Don Nachbaur

6 years, if they can front load the salary to make it easier to trade down the road. I still wouldn’t want to do it but that would be acceptable I guess

8 yrs @ 8M or anything in that neighborhood for TK imo would be a big mistake. With Couturier’s contract being a pretty big obstacle the flyers can’t afford two contracts like that.
Hopefully TK and his agent play hardball and DB has titanium nuts to say no and trade him.

8 yrs @ 8M or anything in that neighborhood for TK imo would be a big mistake. With Couturier’s contract being a pretty big obstacle the flyers can’t afford two contracts like that.
Hopefully TK and his agent play hardball and DB has titanium nuts to say no and trade him.
- bird_dog_pa

This.