How much is on the head coach to "develop" players? His goal is to win games.

Can't blame all the development on the head coach. Needs to be a system in place between the coach. Do the flyers have that? no idea
- hello it's me 2050

He’s just throwing shade at Torts because he enjoys that. Several players have gotten better under Torts. You can’t blame him for some players not developing and then not give him credit for others developing. Even players who people like to complain he’s mishandled, in my opinion, have shown improvement.

There’s a lot of factors that go into development. It’s not all on a head coach. It starts first and foremost with the player. Some kids have it easy coming up in their career but don’t have the work ethic to make the NHL. Some kids get by on natural talent or physical gifts but don’t have the smarts for the NHL (Phil Myers anyone?). Some kids need to mature a little. Then there’s coaching. Having quality coaches at different levels can help and bad coaches can hurt.

To me none are in that category, but we have some really good players and we all know they don't win cups. We need for elite forward and defense prospects and the way to those is in the draft and if we have to trade roster players to move up then we do it.


TK, Laughton, Sanheim, Farabee but only in good hockey trades.

I would combine the 12th and TK and see how far up I could move with that package.
I would combine the 28th and Farabee and try to move up into the top 15.


Both these trades do 2 things, open up roster spots for young players so we can see what we have, and cut salary so we can take on 1 year contracts to flip at the TDL.
- Flyerloon

I’ll take Buium and Hage with those moves.

Watch them trade Michkov for a Center and re-sign TK.

It’d be the most Flyers thing ever.

I’m calling 8.8M for 8 years
- ClaudeFather

If he wants 10 I would try to get him down to 5 years.

But I think you are right. And I would rather they deal him than give him 8 years.

Did i just see Marc Staal resigned?

WTF is is going on.

I want to support this team and they continue to make it hard.

does anyone else see it as a red flag the fact TK want to re-sign here?

Watch them trade Michkov for a Center and re-sign TK.

It’d be the most Flyers thing ever.
- hereticpride

nah probably trade the 12th for kadri and a few mid rd picks.

does anyone else see it as a red flag the fact TK want to re-sign here?
- hello it's me 2050

No. It is a major market so I think most guys like that.

But if he is asking for 10 a year then there should not be a question that he should be moved at the draft

does anyone else see it as a red flag the fact TK want to re-sign here?
- hello it's me 2050

I mean, yeah.

No. It is a major market so I think most guys like that.

But if he is asking for 10 a year then there should not be a question that he should be moved at the draft
- J35Bacher

he has to know the 1st four years of the contract the team will not be contenders. hope the 5th year they are (playoffs consistently), hope being the key. Then he becomes complacent.

Tells me winning not a top thing for TK. 

Did i just see Marc Staal resigned?

WTF is is going on.

I want to support this team and they continue to make it hard.


- J35Bacher

for real? that would actually be shocking. Johnson I can see.

he has to know the 1st four years of the contract the team will not be contenders. hope the 5th year they are (playoffs consistently), hope being the key. Then he becomes complacent.

Tells me winning not a top thing for TK. 
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe he doesn't know that. The front office doesn't seem to know it.

Did i just see Marc Staal resigned?

WTF is is going on.

I want to support this team and they continue to make it hard.


- J35Bacher

I have NOT seen that. Link?

Maybe he doesn't know that. The front office doesn't seem to know it.

- MBFlyerfan

tis is true

He’s just throwing shade at Torts because he enjoys that. Several players have gotten better under Torts. You can’t blame him for some players not developing and then not give him credit for others developing. Even players who people like to complain he’s mishandled, in my opinion, have shown improvement.


- Schmojo

Interesting theory there. It has zero to do with what I enjoy and everything to do with reality. The reality is that players that Tortorella left alone and gave ice time to. Such as Foerster and Tippett made improvement and grew in some areas as players. While others, such as Zamula, Frost and Brink, had their development slowed by Tortorella and how he handled him. What this exposes is Tortorella's bias and inconsistent approach to young player development. Foerster was allowed to keep playing even though he struggled for months to produce offensively. Which is an approach that I agree with. Tippett, despite being horrendous defensively in his play away from the puck, was never held to account for that. While the other 3 were. There are only so many players to play. Somebody has to play. Tortorella routinely played veteran players who were not better over younger players. He overplayed players such as Poehling and Hathaway. Including the well referenced final game where after a low event first period. Due to the way Washington was playing. He sat Brink and Frost. Which was a premeditated decision in my opinion. There is very little evidence that Tortorella has any effectiveness as a development coach of young players with the exception of being able to teach defenseman how to defend.

There’s a lot of factors that go into development. It’s not all on a head coach. It starts first and foremost with the player. Some kids have it easy coming up in their career but don’t have the work ethic to make the NHL. Some kids get by on natural talent or physical gifts but don’t have the smarts for the NHL (Phil Myers anyone?). Some kids need to mature a little. Then there’s coaching. Having quality coaches at different levels can help and bad coaches can hurt.
- Schmojo

Phil Myers is a perfect example of how an organization can ruin a young player. His regression had zero to do with a lack of hockey sense or smarts for the NHL.

If he wants 10 I would try to get him down to 5 years.

But I think you are right. And I would rather they deal him than give him 8 years.
- MBFlyerfan

The 10M is just the starting point for the negotiation. They start high, you counter low and meet in the middle.

The 10M is just the starting point for the negotiation. They start high, you counter low and meet in the middle.
- MJL

They start 3 million per year high?

They start 3 million per year high?
- BINGO!

Where do you get that from?

The 10M is just the starting point for the negotiation. They start high, you counter low and meet in the middle.
- MJL

Then if you’re DB. You say thanks we’ll revisit this later if it all

Then if you’re DB. You say thanks we’ll revisit this later if it all
- Just5

No, if your plan is to re-sign him, then you work on it now to plan their team. Really need to know if there is an agreement there before the draft.

he has to know the 1st four years of the contract the team will not be contenders. hope the 5th year they are (playoffs consistently), hope being the key. Then he becomes complacent.

Tells me winning not a top thing for TK. 
- hello it's me 2050

If TK thinks he’s getting close to 10mil anywhere he doesn’t care about winning. Because the team that gives him that won’t be lol.

Interesting theory there. It has zero to do with what I enjoy and everything to do with reality. The reality is that players that Tortorella left alone and gave ice time to. Such as Foerster and Tippett made improvement and grew in some areas as players. While others, such as Zamula, Frost and Brink, had their development slowed by Tortorella and how he handled him. What this exposes is Tortorella's bias and inconsistent approach to young player development. Foerster was allowed to keep playing even though he struggled for months to produce offensively. Which is an approach that I agree with. Tippett, despite being horrendous defensively in his play away from the puck, was never held to account for that. While the other 3 were. There are only so many players to play. Somebody has to play. Tortorella routinely played veteran players who were not better over younger players. He overplayed players such as Poehling and Hathaway. Including the well referenced final game where after a low event first period. Due to the way Washington was playing. He sat Brink and Frost. Which was a premeditated decision in my opinion. There is very little evidence that Tortorella has any effectiveness as a development coach of young players with the exception of being able to teach defenseman how to defend.



Phil Myers is a perfect example of how an organization can ruin a young player. His regression had zero to do with a lack of hockey sense or smarts for the NHL.
- MJL

can you pinpoint anything specific in detail how zamulas development was slowed?

flyers ruined myers lol....great troll job cliff. every nhl team wants a RHD with myers size. yet he is not in the nhl. surprised you didn't say its clarkes fault.

yes his hockey sense and smarts is an issue. guess AV made all those things up with what he said about myers.

Interesting theory there. It has zero to do with what I enjoy and everything to do with reality. The reality is that players that Tortorella left alone and gave ice time to. Such as Foerster and Tippett made improvement and grew in some areas as players. While others, such as Zamula, Frost and Brink, had their development slowed by Tortorella and how he handled him. What this exposes is Tortorella's bias and inconsistent approach to young player development. Foerster was allowed to keep playing even though he struggled for months to produce offensively. Which is an approach that I agree with. Tippett, despite being horrendous defensively in his play away from the puck, was never held to account for that. While the other 3 were. There are only so many players to play. Somebody has to play. Tortorella routinely played veteran players who were not better over younger players. He overplayed players such as Poehling and Hathaway. Including the well referenced final game where after a low event first period. Due to the way Washington was playing. He sat Brink and Frost. Which was a premeditated decision in my opinion. There is very little evidence that Tortorella has any effectiveness as a development coach of young players with the exception of being able to teach defenseman how to defend.



Phil Myers is a perfect example of how an organization can ruin a young player. His regression had zero to do with a lack of hockey sense or smarts for the NHL.
- MJL

It appears that torts has zero offensive system. His offense is skate your balls off on the rush. Get it to the point for a prayer if they have the puck in the ozone.

The organizational decision to have certain flyer alumni put their two cents in as a means to fix the power play, tells me all I need to know about the competency of the organization.

It’s either complete incompetency to address it by doing it the way they are, or it’s possible DB really wants to punt the year and is a low key tanking strategy while sure to sew discontent with the coach and his staff

No. It is a major market so I think most guys like that.

But if he is asking for 10 a year then there should not be a question that he should be moved at the draft
- J35Bacher

Who’s going to want him knowing that he’s looking for $10 mil long term?

Who’s going to want him knowing that he’s looking for $10 mil long term?
- Dkos

keep in mind he is asking the flyers for it not another team.

him and his agent see the incompetence.