One thing is for certain, there is no consensus outside Celebrini.

So far I have seen mocks with the Flyers picking at #12:
Greentree
Eiserman
Helenius
Luchanko
Yakemchuk
Iginla
Brandsegg-Nygård
Richardinson
Catton.

I don't recall it ever being this all over the place since I started following the draft.
- MBFlyerfan

That’s not entirely true. Yes, it’s more wide open at 12 but for the most part the following players are the consensus picks after Celebrini, in no particular order.

Demidov
Lindstrom
Levshunov
Silayev
D*ckinson
Buium
Parekh
Catton

Of those guys Catton is most often listed as the faller because of his size. Some rankings will have one player, not listed in that group, in the top 10 with them like Eiserman, Iginla, or Helenius, but they still have all the other guys listed above. It’s those guys where there’s a lack of consensus. One ranking has Eiserman #4 but then many others have him outside the top 10. But that crazy fluctuation doesn’t occur with the list above.

Remember those cup teams. Always pissed me off the way they sell the story that the Habs taught them the right way to play in 76. No Bernie, no Ricky. My bruins beat them easy in 74 without those two pieces. That series is a lot different with a full flyer team
- johnnypie

I believe 3 of the 4 losses were 1 goal games too. So yeah, just 1 of them would have radically changed that series. Remember, that same season, they beat the Red Army team 4-1, without Bernie. MTL could only muster a 3-3 tie.

That’s not entirely true. Yes, it’s more wide open at 12 but for the most part the following players are the consensus picks after Celebrini, in no particular order.

Demidov
Lindstrom
Levshunov
Silayev
D*ckinson
Buium
Parekh
Catton

Of those guys Catton is most often listed as the faller because of his size. Some rankings will have one player, not listed in that group, in the top 10 with them like Eiserman, Iginla, or Helenius, but they still have all the other guys listed above. It’s those guys where there’s a lack of consensus. One ranking has Eiserman #4 but then many others have him outside the top 10. But that crazy fluctuation doesn’t occur with the list above.
- Schmojo

Tij and Sennecke are racing up the rankings right now. I'm guessing there's a very good chance that enough teams love them that they could both go top-12.

Silayev has a ton of tools, like Zadorov. Lot of people had Zadorov pegged to go top-10 in 2013 but he dropped to #16 due to questionable offensive potential (since justified). So Silayev isn't a slam dunk top-12, IMO.

And Connelly is a top-10 talent but he presents a PR issue. Will some team in the top-10 be satisfied with his image rehab and roll the dice on him?

Too many variables to say there's any kind of consensus, IMO.

McKenzie's final list is gonna be interesting to see.

So did Bronco Horvath.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_Horvath
- MBFlyerfan

hahah I am old but that was WELL before my time and I have never heard of him until now. Quite fun when someone with the handle of a player that played for 5 of 6 original six teams and the North Stars, and never for the Penguins comes on here to support.. the Penguins..

link no good
- hello it's me 2050

Lemme try again

https://thehockeywriters....rading-up-2024-nhl-draft/

I believe 3 of the 4 losses were 1 goal games too. So yeah, just 1 of them would have radically changed that series. Remember, that same season, they beat the Red Army team 4-1, without Bernie. MTL could only muster a 3-3 tie.
- Schmojo

It’s not like your taking Lonsberry and Bladon out who were nice pieces of the puzzle your taking top center playoff scorer and the MVP. Let’s see how that series goes for Montreal without Robinson and Guy.

Tij and Sennecke are racing up the rankings right now. I'm guessing there's a very good chance that enough teams love them that they could both go top-12.

Silayev has a ton of tools, like Zadorov. Lot of people had Zadorov pegged to go top-10 in 2013 but he dropped to #16 due to questionable offensive potential (since justified). So Silayev isn't a slam dunk top-12, IMO.

And Connelly is a top-10 talent but he presents a PR issue. Will some team in the top-10 be satisfied with his image rehab and roll the dice on him?

Too many variables to say there's any kind of consensus, IMO.

McKenzie's final list is gonna be interesting to see.
- Tomahawk

Look at Elite prospects, they list out 17 full rankings for each player. Central scouting separates NA and EU rankings so I excluded those.

Demidov - ranked 2 or 3 in all but 2 rankings. He ranks 5 & 6 in the other 2.

Lindstrom - 10/17 rankings have him top 5 and 15/17 have him top 10.

Levshunov - 10/17 rankings have him top 5 and zero have him outside the top 10. 9 rankings have him at 2 or 3.

Parekh - 11/17 rankings have him top 10. Only one ranking has him outside 13.

Catton - 16/17 rankings have him top 10. The one outlier is Craig Button who has him 14. Catton also has 5 top 5 rankings

D*ckinson - All 17 rankings have him in the top 10. 16 of those have him in the top 8. He has 5 top 5 rankings.

Silayev - 13/17 rankings have him top 10. He has 8 top 5 rankings.

Buium - 12/17 rankings have him top 10. He has 4 top 5 rankings. A few of the rankings that have him outside the top 10 are from earlier in the year.

Out of these players, Parekh, has the fewest top 10 rankings and he is still top 10 in 65% of them. That is a consensus that they’re the next top 8 players after Celebrini.

Whereas a player like Iginla has only 4/17 top 10 rankings. It’s completely plausible that a player outside that list jumps up, pretty much always happens every year.

I’ve stated, many feel due to size that Catton is the most likely to drop. But for any of those 8 to fall to Philly at 12 you will need 3 players to jump up. That’s not a likely scenario. And the idea that you could get 2 of those 8 players in the 11-14 range is extremely slim. I would not be trading players or picks for 11-14 ahead of the draft hoping guys fall. Now if a guy falls during the draft and you’re trading to get a specific player, then I’m all for that.

If the Flyers remain at 12, they’ll be lucky to get Catton. Otherwise I expect them to be selecting between, Eiserman, Iginla, Helenius, or Yakemchuk.

Hey Broncohorvath, Thanks for comment. It's nice to know that you get good internet service from your parents' basement.[

Hey Broncohorvath, Thanks for comment. It's nice to know that you get good internet service from your parents' basement.
- Thors-Hammer[

yinzers smh

Hey Bill, could you supply some perspective on why Shero left. Money, control, burnout ?

If the Flyers remain at 12, they’ll be lucky to get Catton. Otherwise I expect them to be selecting between, Eiserman, Iginla, Helenius, or Yakemchuk.
- Schmojo

Iginla switched to wing this year and that’s when his numbers went off. I don’t think he’s a fit on this roster unless we somehow manage flip another winger for a center.

They could switch him back to center but it seems risky.

The question is could Calgary stand pat and take BPA then trade us a center for 12 to grab Iginla. You know they have to want him.


EDIT: actually that won’t work. Calgary has terrible center depth too. Ugh.

We have to remember to slow our rolls. I see many internet pundits like Russ Joy saying its a "three year rebuild". Or 2-3 years until this team is ready to contend. Its a huge and likely possibility that any of these kids we drafted last year and this year, and next year for that matter, are three years away from their draft before they are ROOKIES, let alone major NHL contributors. Except maybe Michkov.

This team is 5 years away at minimum even if they do everything right, I wish more people in the real world would understand this. Another reason why they should be looking to trade Konecny, Laughton, and Farabee for the right deals.

One thing is for certain, there is no consensus outside Celebrini.

So far I have seen mocks with the Flyers picking at #12:
Greentree
Eiserman
Helenius
Luchanko
Yakemchuk
Iginla
Brandsegg-Nygård
Richardinson
Catton.

I don't recall it ever being this all over the place since I started following the draft.
- MBFlyerfan

I think with this once they get past picks 8-10 all bets are off. Going to see a lot of surprise names jump into that 11-20 range

We have to remember to slow our rolls. I see many internet pundits like Russ Joy saying its a "three year rebuild". Or 2-3 years until this team is ready to contend. Its a huge and likely possibility that any of these kids we drafted last year and this year, and next year for that matter, are three years away before they are ROOKIES, let alone major NHL contributors. Except maybe Michkpv.

This team is 5 years away at minimum even if they do everything right, I wish more people in the real world would understand this. Another reason why they should be looking to trade Konecny, Laughton, and Farabee for the right deals.
- MBFlyerfan

Absolutely. They are still in the tear down / acquire picks mode. We all know patience wont be exercised and this will be massively bungled.

We have to remember to slow our rolls. I see many internet pundits like Russ Joy saying its a "three year rebuild". Or 2-3 years until this team is ready to contend. Its a huge and likely possibility that any of these kids we drafted last year and this year, and next year for that matter, are three years away before they are ROOKIES, let alone major NHL contributors. Except maybe Michkpv.

This team is 5 years away at minimum even if they do everything right, I wish more people in the real world would understand this. Another reason why they should be looking to trade Konecny, Laughton, and Farabee for the right deals.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. Look at the Rangers. It’s been 6 years since they sent out that letter indicating they were rebuilding. They also traded away way more players than the Flyers have at this point including Rick Nash, who got them a 1st which they were able to turn into K’Andre Miller. They traded Hayes, netting a 1st that NY traded back to WPG to get Trouba. They got lucky with the lottery to get Lafrenière. And then they also got lucky that Trouba, Panarin, and Fox only wanted to play for NY and nobody else. Trading away many of those higher priced veterans gave them the cap space to add Panarin, Trouba, and eventually Fox. They already had Zibanejad in house who was only 25. Kreider was the only vet they really kept.

The Rangers have gotten EXTREMELY lucky and it’s still taken 6 years.

Absolutely. They are still in the tear down / acquire picks mode. We all know patience wont be exercised and this will be massively bungled.
- Just5

They were going for it, got really bad by accident, and are possibly trying to take step forward. The tear down aquire picks is now complete in managements eyes.

They were going for it, got really bad by accident, and are possibly trying to take step forward. The tear down aquire picks is now complete in managements eyes.
- ClaudeFather

I am so afraid you are right.

We have to remember to slow our rolls. I see many internet pundits like Russ Joy saying its a "three year rebuild". Or 2-3 years until this team is ready to contend. Its a huge and likely possibility that any of these kids we drafted last year and this year, and next year for that matter, are three years away from their draft before they are ROOKIES, let alone major NHL contributors. Except maybe Michkov.

This team is 5 years away at minimum even if they do everything right, I wish more people in the real world would understand this. Another reason why they should be looking to trade Konecny, Laughton, and Farabee for the right deals.
- MBFlyerfan

In my opinion, I would stop listening to any pundit stating this can be done in 2-3 years. That guys a moron. If they can do it in 5 years, that would be really good. Most likely to take longer.

They were going for it, got really bad by accident, and are possibly trying to take step forward. The tear down aquire picks is now complete in managements eyes.
- ClaudeFather

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Look at Elite prospects, they list out 17 full rankings for each player. Central scouting separates NA and EU rankings so I excluded those.

Demidov - ranked 2 or 3 in all but 2 rankings. He ranks 5 & 6 in the other 2.

Lindstrom - 10/17 rankings have him top 5 and 15/17 have him top 10.

Levshunov - 10/17 rankings have him top 5 and zero have him outside the top 10. 9 rankings have him at 2 or 3.

Parekh - 11/17 rankings have him top 10. Only one ranking has him outside 13.

Catton - 16/17 rankings have him top 10. The one outlier is Craig Button who has him 14. Catton also has 5 top 5 rankings

D*ckinson - All 17 rankings have him in the top 10. 16 of those have him in the top 8. He has 5 top 5 rankings.

Silayev - 13/17 rankings have him top 10. He has 8 top 5 rankings.

Buium - 12/17 rankings have him top 10. He has 4 top 5 rankings. A few of the rankings that have him outside the top 10 are from earlier in the year.

Out of these players, Parekh, has the fewest top 10 rankings and he is still top 10 in 65% of them. That is a consensus that they’re the next top 8 players after Celebrini.

Whereas a player like Iginla has only 4/17 top 10 rankings. It’s completely plausible that a player outside that list jumps up, pretty much always happens every year.

I’ve stated, many feel due to size that Catton is the most likely to drop. But for any of those 8 to fall to Philly at 12 you will need 3 players to jump up. That’s not a likely scenario. And the idea that you could get 2 of those 8 players in the 11-14 range is extremely slim. I would not be trading players or picks for 11-14 ahead of the draft hoping guys fall. Now if a guy falls during the draft and you’re trading to get a specific player, then I’m all for that.
- Schmojo

Remember many of those are still mid season rankings.

Final rankings will start to trickle in soon.

Hey Bill, could you supply some perspective on why Shero left. Money, control, burnout ?
- Angus4444

Not Bill but I have been a fan since 1970 and remember this well.

Fred was a coach in the Ranger's minor leagues for several years.
He was more or less promised a shot to coach the Rangers.
When that did not happen, the Flyers hired him.

The Rangers (illegally) offered him the position of GM and coach, which he accepted.
I think the Rangers paid a fine and maybe the Flyers got a Rangers draft pick.
Fred did get the Rags to the Finals that first season.

Exactly. Look at the Rangers. It’s been 6 years since they sent out that letter indicating they were rebuilding. They also traded away way more players than the Flyers have at this point including Rick Nash, who got them a 1st which they were able to turn into K’Andre Miller. They traded Hayes, netting a 1st that NY traded back to WPG to get Trouba. They got lucky with the lottery to get Lafrenière. And then they also got lucky that Trouba, Panarin, and Fox only wanted to play for NY and nobody else. Trading away many of those higher priced veterans gave them the cap space to add Panarin, Trouba, and eventually Fox. They already had Zibanejad in house who was only 25. Kreider was the only vet they really kept.

The Rangers have gotten EXTREMELY lucky and it’s still taken 6 years.
- Schmojo

Getting Mika and a 2nd from Ottawa for Brassard is one of the more lopsided trades in recent memory.

When's the last time the Flyers fleeced anybody?

Getting Mika and a 2nd from Ottawa for Brassard is one of the more lopsided trades in recent memory.

When's the last time the Flyers fleeced anybody?
- Tomahawk

they fleece the fans every time management tells us theyre 2-3 players away or theyre going to properly rebuild

Getting Mika and a 2nd from Ottawa for Brassard is one of the more lopsided trades in recent memory.

When's the last time the Flyers fleeced anybody?
- Tomahawk

Yeah I think they got a third rounder from the pens for borrowing their phone to talk to Dan hamhuis way back when.