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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
I think I team like Utah that wants to get good quick might like to add Sanheim, especially since he has cost certainty and the cap went up. Would they trade the 6th pick to get him? I think if the Flyers add a bit more they just may. This may be the best chance the Flyers have to get out from under his contract. The Flyers need to get bigger and tougher on defense, to compliment YorK, JD and even Andrea.
- jd250

please lay it out what a bit more consist of?

you think sanhime sucks yet can be the main piece in a deal for a #6
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 6:24 PM ET
Something some seem to miss. The Flyers recently tried, although unsuccessful to try and move Sanheim a year ago. Yes he was better, but that could work to having more teams considering trading for the player. My general point is perhaps Torts and company do not see him as part of the future.
With Sanheims no trade clause perhaps there are teams that he might be willing to go to that are interested in bringing him in.
A no trade doesn’t always lead to a guy not getting moved. I’m not sure the “hole” trading Sanheim is very big.

- landros 2


I agree that his value is higher today than it was a year ago when they were trying to make the deal with STL. I’m 100% open to trading Sanheim as part of a rebuild. But my response was based on the premise that they weren’t going to rebuild and we’re now going for it. In that approach, losing Sanheim would create an immediate hole. They don’t have anyone to immediately fill his spot. In a few years Bonk may be that guy but he’s not going to be ready next season.

Under a rebuild the hole is fine because it’ll help them finish lower in the standings. But alas, I don’t think that’s the direction anymore, if it ever truly was
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

May 20 @ 6:24 PM ET
Only 49 comments. I guess that means there’s nothing new on Michkov?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 6:25 PM ET
Sanheim could probably get you a 2C but if they’re abandoning the “rebuild” trading Sanheim just opens another hole. In that approach you’ll need to trade picks and prospects.

But as you say, they have a 2C, they need a 1C. And there’s no true 1C available anyway. There’s guys like Zegras who may still develop into a 1C but they’re not getting an already established 1C.

- Schmojo


I may be completely wrong but Zegras just does not excite me. I don't see him developing into a 1C on a championship level team so why bother? Just seems like another move the Flyers would make for appearance sake. Sell a bill of goods to the fan base.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 6:29 PM ET
I think I team like Utah that wants to get good quick might like to add Sanheim, especially since he has cost certainty and the cap went up. Would they trade the 6th pick to get him? I think if the Flyers add a bit more they just may. This may be the best chance the Flyers have to get out from under his contract. The Flyers need to get bigger and tougher on defense, to compliment YorK, JD and even Andrea.
- jd250



You've routinely posted that Sanheim SUCKS. Now you think by adding a bit more, they can get the 6th overall pick for him. Talk about hypocrisy. The Flyers don't need to get bigger and tougher. They need to get more skill and speed. They need a legit 1D. You aren't going to get it by trading Sanheim.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 6:32 PM ET
I may be completely wrong but Zegras just does not excite me. I don't see him developing into a 1C on a championship level team so why bother? Just seems like another move the Flyers would make for appearance sake. Sell a bill of goods to the fan base.
- MJL


I agree completely. To me at best he’s a high end 2C, a bit better than Frost. You still need the 1C in front of him. And I’d rather use the assets that would be needed to get him in a move to get a 1C or 1D
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 20 @ 6:35 PM ET

https://thelibertyline.co...kov-in-the-nhl-look-like/


Pretty in depth analysis of what we may expect down the road. Lots of video.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 20 @ 6:39 PM ET
please lay it out what a bit more consist of?

you think sanhime sucks yet can be the main piece in a deal for a #6

- hello it's me 2050

Sanheim is a good 2nd pairing veteran NHL defenseman that skates well, can contribute offensively and is still pretty young. He is also pretty durable. I think a team like Utah with younger and skilled players would like a player like Sanheim who can offer some veteran leadership also. I think Sanheim would be the centerpiece.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 20 @ 6:42 PM ET
Any thoughts on the Flyers trying to sign Chandler Stephenson? He’d be a solid 2C and maybe they could sign him to a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable cost.

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 20 @ 6:42 PM ET
You've routinely posted that Sanheim SUCKS. Now you think by adding a bit more, they can get the 6th overall pick for him. Talk about hypocrisy. The Flyers don't need to get bigger and tougher. They need to get more skill and speed. They need a legit 1D. You aren't going to get it by trading Sanheim.
- MJL

What the Flyers would be getting is the 6th pick and a chance to draft a defenseman that in several years could be a #1 defenseman for them. That is very different than trading Sanheim for a legit 1D. And again, what I think of Sanheim is not relevant. What only matters is what other teams think of him.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 20 @ 6:43 PM ET
I think I team like Utah that wants to get good quick might like to add Sanheim, especially since he has cost certainty and the cap went up. Would they trade the 6th pick to get him? I think if the Flyers add a bit more they just may. This may be the best chance the Flyers have to get out from under his contract. The Flyers need to get bigger and tougher on defense, to compliment YorK, JD and even Andrea.
- jd250


That might be a tad high of a payment for Sanheim….
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 20 @ 6:49 PM ET
Any thoughts on the Flyers trying to sign Chandler Stephenson? He’d be a solid 2C and maybe they could sign him to a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable cost.
- Minnyhock

I think the Flyers would have to do something with Frost before they would consider this. I wonder if the Flyers trade Couts, extend TK and make him captain. Then the Flyers keep Frost and go full court press on obtaining a 1C.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 20 @ 6:51 PM ET
That might be a tad high of a payment for Sanheim….
- landros 2

One for one sure, but throw in Floridas pick or Colorado’s pick and they might do that. But I would only do this if the Flyers really wanted a player. I just think the Flyers need to be aggressive here and if they over pay so be it.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 6:52 PM ET
Any thoughts on the Flyers trying to sign Chandler Stephenson? He’d be a solid 2C and maybe they could sign him to a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable cost.
- Minnyhock


And where would he play? They’d basically have Frost and him as two 2Cs and still no 1C. Unless your idea is to trade Frost for a 1C but then I wonder, who is the 1C and what else with Frost are you trading?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 20 @ 6:54 PM ET
I agree that his value is higher today than it was a year ago when they were trying to make the deal with STL. I’m 100% open to trading Sanheim as part of a rebuild. But my response was based on the premise that they weren’t going to rebuild and we’re now going for it. In that approach, losing Sanheim would create an immediate hole. They don’t have anyone to immediately fill his spot. In a few years Bonk may be that guy but he’s not going to be ready next season.

Under a rebuild the hole is fine because it’ll help them finish lower in the standings. But alas, I don’t think that’s the direction anymore, if it ever truly was

- Schmojo



I don’t know the direction either….I don’t think the Michkov news should change anything. I have always thought they do have some decent pieces, but they still need more talent…to be blunt.
I hope there is more to the “plan” then what I’ve seen up till now.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 20 @ 6:54 PM ET
I agree completely. To me at best he’s a high end 2C, a bit better than Frost. You still need the 1C in front of him. And I’d rather use the assets that would be needed to get him in a move to get a 1C or 1D
- Schmojo

I don’t like his attitude and I question if he really wants it. I would pass.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 20 @ 6:56 PM ET
Sanheim is a good 2nd pairing veteran NHL defenseman that skates well, can contribute offensively and is still pretty young. He is also pretty durable. I think a team like Utah with younger and skilled players would like a player like Sanheim who can offer some veteran leadership also. I think Sanheim would be the centerpiece.
- jd250

what is being added? lets hear it
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 20 @ 6:58 PM ET
Only 49 comments. I guess that means there’s nothing new on Michkov?
- Dkos

Actually I found the news encouraging today from Rotenberg himself. I think it may actually happen.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 20 @ 7:08 PM ET
How is michkov supposed to pay off SKA if it needs to be done before he signs with the flyers?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 20 @ 7:13 PM ET
Im starting to see more and more chatter about Farabee being a prime trade chip/target. Especially now with Michkov in the mix. Im not sure what kind of return he would bring. He is still only 24, coming off career highs in goals and assists, and signed for 4 more season at a reasonable cap hit for his age and production. I have seen the Canadiens and Sabres mentioned. The Canadiens deal mentioned was Farabee and a 2025 4th for Canadiens 2025 1st, Joshua Roy, and David Savard. This from a Habs site.



https://awinninghabit.com...ee-canadiens-01hyajy5qmka
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 20 @ 7:17 PM ET
And where would he play? They’d basically have Frost and him as two 2Cs and still no 1C. Unless your idea is to trade Frost for a 1C but then I wonder, who is the 1C and what else with Frost are you trading?
- Schmojo


Stephenson gets a lot of assists and he weighs 210. He may function as a low end 1C until they can draft a 1C. Torts doesn’t favor Frost but it gives a center with size that would probably be a fit with Torts. Two 2Cs until you can get a 1C would put the Flyers in a better position than the Bruins.


Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

May 20 @ 7:27 PM ET
Rumor that Canes may buyout Jesperi Kotkaniemi. I would expect Briere to have interest if this happens. He will only be 24 this summer. They can offer him a top 9 role and can show how Poehling improved after being an underperformig 1st rd pick.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 7:40 PM ET
I don’t know the direction either….I don’t think the Michkov news should change anything. I have always thought they do have some decent pieces, but they still need more talent…to be blunt.
I hope there is more to the “plan” then what I’ve seen up till now.

- landros 2


I agree, Michkov shouldn’t alter the rebuild timeline. Chicago hasn’t altered their approach after getting Bedard.

The way I’m trying to view Michkov coming early in a positive way is it allows him to start developing chemistry with a guy like Foerster. He gets to show off his ability in the NHL vs being out of sight in the KHL and in a few years, after they’ve acquired a few elite players though the draft, they’ll be able to attract a marquee FA as a final piece, ala Chicago adding Hossa.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 7:43 PM ET
How is michkov supposed to pay off SKA if it needs to be done before he signs with the flyers?
- Just5


Same way college football players were getting fancy cars and apartments before NIL.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

May 20 @ 7:48 PM ET
Stephenson gets a lot of assists and he weighs 210. He may function as a low end 1C until they can draft a 1C. Torts doesn’t favor Frost but it gives a center with size that would probably be a fit with Torts. Two 2Cs until you can get a 1C would put the Flyers in a better position than the Bruins.
- Minnyhock


But how are you getting that 1C? Adding Stephenson would make the Flyers better, therefore likely drafting later than 12 next year. The best course would be to not sign anyone, move a couple roster players, to ensure they’re worse, and then take one of the top centers in 2025.
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