Marner for Adam Larson and Shane Wright trade proposal.

https://x.com/krakencanad...&t=rzZ_5isvSO5yY-yQssF2uw
- Cush29

I would do this trade.. I think Wright will be good.. Not sure what happened after he was drafted but sounds like he needs to get away from Seattle

I would do this trade.. I think Wright will be good.. Not sure what happened after he was drafted but sounds like he needs to get away from Seattle
- Azuredoom

He hasn't shown much at all, has he?

He hasn't shown much at all, has he?
- Aetherial

He played in the AHL almost all of last year and apparently looked good and got 4 goals in 5 games for Seattle whe. He came up at the end of the year.

For me it’s Larson and the potential that Wright figures it out + cap space that makes us a yes to the trade.

Yeah but the guy was from Brampton
- jribout

Ya I posted the blurb from the report - one from Brampton for sure but the other dude was from Toronto.

The scum of the GTA unite!

Marner for Adam Larson and Shane Wright trade proposal.

https://x.com/krakencanad...&t=rzZ_5isvSO5yY-yQssF2uw
- Cush29

I know it was one of those ‘proposed as uses ones’ but man that would be a good one for Buds for sure.

According to some people, Marner is a playoff bust and has perceived attitude problems.

So the solution?

Acquire Wright, an outright NHL bust with perceived attitude problems.

But wait! There's more!

Acquire Larsson, the guy who everybody thought was garbage when he was acquired for Taylor Hall, 5 years past his prime.

Amazing stuff. Truly fantastic.

The only reason the leafs haven’t done better in playoffs is because of the 3 men in front of the cameras this morning. They have known the weaknesses of this team for years and have failed to address them. And then, to satisfy the appetite of the fans and medias for someone to blame, they sacrificed Keefe. Leafs management is an embarrassment!! Too corporate!!! The first mistake they made was to sign JT!!! They were desperate, the three other core players were young and JT would take them to the promise land immediately, Mistake!!! Money should have been spent on goaltending and defence, they would have won a cup by now and be contending every year. Now it’s MM that is going to be the next sacrifice, a very talented player that needed to be surrounded by the right type of players. Management failed, short and sweet! I wouldn’t give up on MM, but would ship JT ( if he agrees ) far far away. Give this team back to the youth, get the goalie and D players, it’s not too late!
- Slimvinnie

100% correct.

According to some people, Marner is a playoff bust and has perceived attitude problems.

So the solution?

Acquire Wright, an outright NHL bust with perceived attitude problems.

But wait! There's more!

Acquire Larsson, the guy who everybody thought was garbage when he was acquired for Taylor Hall, 5 years past his prime.

Amazing stuff. Truly fantastic.
- Rare_Jewel

They’ll say stuff like that then get mad because you don’t agree with them.

I’m not even joking when I say they’re some of the stupidest people I’ve ever met.

And he’s a rapist.
- TurdFergeson

Source?

Source?
- GalacticStone

Not required.

Guilty!

Because of someone in here, I’ve been seeing Frank Cosentino as the Lion from Oz for at least a couple years now.

Lady Leafs need a cool nickname for next year. Not the Torch.

So much anger about a trade proposal from an article on Sportsnet! 🤣

Resorting to name calling and insulting large swaths of people in here (or rather just continuing both) sure is the mature way to say you disagree.

Lmao

Oh also FAK BAWSTIN!!

According to some people, Marner is a playoff bust and has perceived attitude problems.

So the solution?

Acquire Wright, an outright NHL bust with perceived attitude problems.

But wait! There's more!

Acquire Larsson, the guy who everybody thought was garbage when he was acquired for Taylor Hall, 5 years past his prime.

Amazing stuff. Truly fantastic.
- Rare_Jewel

Agree, you do everything you can to persuade Tavares to wave and not throw away Marner. But in saying that if Marner does re up, he gets nothing more then what Nylander got.

According to some people, Marner is a playoff bust and has perceived attitude problems.

So the solution?

Acquire Wright, an outright NHL bust with perceived attitude problems.

But wait! There's more!

Acquire Larsson, the guy who everybody thought was garbage when he was acquired for Taylor Hall, 5 years past his prime.

Amazing stuff. Truly fantastic.
- Rare_Jewel

1. Marner has made an impact you would expect from a player of his offensive talents and salary. I get I look up pints and see them - but watching game to game his impact is just not there man. Everyone has their own opinion and are absolutely entitled to them. I, like many other fans and ex players/media, are on the side that he disappears in the playoffs. There are some that defend his play as well.

2. Wright is an NHL bust? Do you mean he doesn’t appear so far to live up to the Number 1 Overall pick? Cause I agree there. But to suggest at 20 he is an NHL bust is nuts.

3. Your other point is that “everybody thought was garbage” in reference to Larsson - who’s everybody? I didn’t and don’t think he’s garbage and Persia Lily have heard alit of folks say they thought Oilers could’ve gotten more but ‘garbage’? Not so much man.

4. Again on Larsson. He’s still capable of playing big minutes, is a RD, plays an overall solid game. Still a solid dman.

100% correct.
- Rare_Jewel

100% correct? The guy has said the 3 men in front of camera have k own the weaknesses of the team for years….The GM just got there and last minute at that. How was he supposed to address everything needed that quickly. Especially since the last GM gave everyone a NMC.

The rest of the point was about signing JT and the psychic abilities this young man has to absolutely know that the Buds would be multi Cup Champs if the didn’t sign JT.

Weird to acknowledge misinformation and a hypothetical as 100% correct.

Watching Sam Bennett absolutely detonate Ratchand and Pasta on the same shift was glorious -

Now Bennett is a guy who raises his game substantially this time of year-

don't forget to wear your tin foil hat
- dmnted

Exactly

Agree, you do everything you can to persuade Tavares to wave and not throw away Marner. But in saying that if Marner does re up, he gets nothing more then what Nylander got.
- Buck Norris

Marner has led the team in points and playoff points almost every season he's been on the team plus kills penalties. If he gets 11.93 x 8 and Tavares is off the books, they would be just fine.

That would give the Leafs almost 29.5 million (18.5 + 11) to use to sign a 2nd line C, top-six W, two RHD and a goalie. 5 guys at 6 AAV each and you're a way better team.

Either Tavares says yes and you get a top-six C/W or a 2nd pair RHD in return or you wait another year and do it with the next UFA crop. But with the 18.5 they have this year, they can easily sign two RHD and add more forwards next year. Grab a cheap goalie this offseason (Thompson from Vegas) and re-evaluate next year.

Agree, you do everything you can to persuade Tavares to wave and not throw away Marner. But in saying that if Marner does re up, he gets nothing more then what Nylander got.
- Buck Norris

I don't have the answer and I don't know the answer - I really don't. Tavares is a problem. But even if he's gone, is $36m tied up in 3 forwards who won't hit or grind the answer? We need to allocate that money properly.

My concern with moving JT - even pretending that he would waive his NMC, which I don't think he would - is that at his contract, he's a negative asset. You have to eat between 40 - 50% of his salary and are likely not getting anything significant back for that.

Is JT worth close to a $5.5m player? Before you female dog that he's not - he scored 29 goals and had 65 points. Those are significantly better than Bertuzzi's 21 goals and 43 points for $5.5m. And further to that - at 5v5, both Bertuzzi and Tavares had 15 goals and 20 assists - and Bertuzzi played 10 more minutes.

So you eat $5.5m of his salary so you can go, hopefully, find a player who can produce about the same as him. Getting rid of JT's last season just simply doesn't make sense.

Marner has value. If you want to change culture, shake up the team, and use that full $11m to alter the roster, then Marner is the one who has to move.

But going forward after 2024-25, if the team is still loaded up with Matthews, Nylander and Marner leading the charge, I'm afraid that the results will continue to be the same.

I've come to the conclusion that they need some real change.

Lights are starting here..

Nothing crazy yet.

1. Marner has made an impact you would expect from a player of his offensive talents and salary. I get I look up pints and see them - but watching game to game his impact is just not there man. Everyone has their own opinion and are absolutely entitled to them. I, like many other fans and ex players/media, are on the side that he disappears in the playoffs. There are some that defend his play as well.

2. Wright is an NHL bust? Do you mean he doesn’t appear so far to live up to the Number 1 Overall pick? Cause I agree there. But to suggest at 20 he is an NHL bust is nuts.

3. Your other point is that “everybody thought was garbage” in reference to Larsson - who’s everybody? I didn’t and don’t think he’s garbage and Persia Lily have heard alit of folks say they thought Oilers could’ve gotten more but ‘garbage’? Not so much man.

4. Again on Larsson. He’s still capable of playing big minutes, is a RD, plays an overall solid game. Still a solid dman.
- Big23Questions

Marner is the 7th highest scoring player (more points than Nylander) the past 5 seasons. 3rd highest scoring winger, 2nd highest scoring RW. 5th highest in assists.

Sorry, but that doesn't equate to a guy that has played 16 games in his first two seasons after falling from his projected 1st overall pick status. Marner had over 120 points in his first 2 years after being drafted. The value is not even close to the same.

And Marner, no matter what anybody says about his playoff performances, still has more career playoff points than Matthews and Nylander. So this whole "playoff bust" bullpoop applies to Matthews and Nylander if it applies to Marner.

Larsson is a 20 point RHD. Why the (frank) would the Leafs trade one of their best players for a guy they can get as a UFA (Brett Pesce) for free?

For all the same reasons Nylander wasn't traded for a garbage package of low ranking D is the same reasons why Marner should not be traded for one either.

It's a horrid trade idea. End of story.

Holy poop this solar flare is totally messing with my internet

I don't have the answer and I don't know the answer - I really don't. Tavares is a problem. But even if he's gone, is $36m tied up in 3 forwards who won't hit or grind the answer? We need to allocate that money properly.
- Monkeypunk

Yes, it is the answer because you'll have three 100 point scorers in their prime with 54 million left to fill the rest.

My concern with moving JT - even pretending that he would waive his NMC, which I don't think he would - is that at his contract, he's a negative asset. You have to eat between 40 - 50% of his salary and are likely not getting anything significant back for that.

Is JT worth close to a $5.5m player? Before you female dog that he's not - he scored 29 goals and had 65 points. Those are significantly better than Bertuzzi's 21 goals and 43 points for $5.5m. And further to that - at 5v5, both Bertuzzi and Tavares had 15 goals and 20 assists - and Bertuzzi played 10 more minutes.

So you eat $5.5m of his salary so you can go, hopefully, find a player who can produce about the same as him. Getting rid of JT's last season just simply doesn't make sense.

I don't think they'd have to eat that much if they take some salary in return.

For example, Buffalo. Close to Oakville so he's not far from home. If they send us Clifton or Greenway and the Leafs retain 2 million, they're essentially getting Tavares for a 5 million cap increase and 700K in real dollars. That's a pretty good deal for a 25-30 goal and 65-70 point top-six center.

And for the Leafs, they get an affordable big top-six winger or a 2nd pair RHD and eat the 2 million cap hit for one year

Marner has value. If you want to change culture, shake up the team, and use that full $11m to alter the roster, then Marner is the one who has to move.

But going forward after 2024-25, if the team is still loaded up with Matthews, Nylander and Marner leading the charge, I'm afraid that the results will continue to be the same.

I've come to the conclusion that they need some real change.

The change is letting Tavares go. Change of captaincy and opening up for 11 million in cap space for UFAs in different areas. The only question is, does it happen now (if Tavares waives his NMC) or if you have to wait him out and do it next year.

Lights are starting here..

Nothing crazy yet.


- Arctic_AARDVARK

That's pretty f'n cool.

It's . . . uh . . . dark outside here. With a chance of alcohol.

1. Marner has made an impact you would expect from a player of his offensive talents and salary. I get I look up pints and see them - but watching game to game his impact is just not there man. Everyone has their own opinion and are absolutely entitled to them. I, like many other fans and ex players/media, are on the side that he disappears in the playoffs. There are some that defend his play as well.

2. Wright is an NHL bust? Do you mean he doesn’t appear so far to live up to the Number 1 Overall pick? Cause I agree there. But to suggest at 20 he is an NHL bust is nuts.

3. Your other point is that “everybody thought was garbage” in reference to Larsson - who’s everybody? I didn’t and don’t think he’s garbage and Persia Lily have heard alit of folks say they thought Oilers could’ve gotten more but ‘garbage’? Not so much man.

4. Again on Larsson. He’s still capable of playing big minutes, is a RD, plays an overall solid game. Still a solid dman.
- Big23Questions

The Marner gobblers totally ignoring the pts per 60 in playoff game 5-7