do they have chicken legs or the whole chicken?
Do they have pork tenderloin as well?
man, do like some nice jerk
- dmnted

youtube channel by duncan henry is great. He inspired me to make so many amazing home meat products. The jerky recipes and techniques are top notch.

I’ve never had to hire a defence lawyer, so I wouldn’t know.

You seem to have some experience with it tho.

What did you do Cush? Get caught shoplifting a DVD box set of Matlock from the Cracker Barrel gift shop?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Is it the first A or the 2nd one in your user name that stands for Antisemitic?

Yes everyone who disagrees with you is an old flake, whiner or any of the other stupid names you call people here who have a different view than you. And you and Mitch are constantly bullied. 🙄

Nylander also lost them games. But that’s not as commonly discussed now is it?

Marner>>Nylander in every way.

If Marner was open to killing every offensive zone pressure by throwing everything on net like Willy does, he’d have more goals than him too. But he sees the game a lot better than Willy (hence his defensive acumen) and that leads to a lot more sustained offensive zone time. I don’t think Marner should shoot more just to get more goals, he’s a playmaker first.

This team would fail to make the playoffs without Mitch.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

During the regular season, sure he has. We are talking about the playoffs

Just set this to auto repeat every 8-10 hours and then adjust the schedule as needed! Lol
- Cush29

no man

a pinned post at the begin of every comments section for the Leafs

During the regular season, sure he has. We are talking about the playoffs
- dmnted

Marner cannot lead a line that is the big difference.

Most of these problems would have been solved if Nylander was simply traded last summer. Whether it's Dobson or Pesce or Parayko or whatever. The point is you accept that Marner stays, we wait out Tavares for 2 more years, now 1. But Nylander is moved for a top pair d-man. So this season they would have had better balance. And instead of right now being handcuffed by NMCs, they go into next season with a big 3 instead of big 4, and have cap space to tinker with the supporting cast.

To be clear, I'd pick Nylander over Marner anyway, but the strategy above just recognizes the reality of where their contracts stand. It was so obvious.
- HockeyBuzzed

if that was offered to the Leafs but come on it was Pageau + Wahlstrom
this wasn't acceptable
Tre has his work cut out for him

During the regular season, sure he has. We are talking about the playoffs
- dmnted

The future of the core-4 will be determined largely by the timing of the contracts.

Matthews is signed long term and shouldn't be traded. He's your best player, you build around him and keep him.

Nylander is signed long term. Other teams would want him, but he has to agree to it, and then you might have to retain to get the return you really want - and even then you aren't freeing up as much cap space as you had hoped for by dumping a big contract if you are still paying for part of it. You have to pay to replace Nylander's production while still paying him to play for another team. Not ideal.

Tavares has a year left. He's facing elimination, so to speak. He has some trade value, but you would have to retain a sizeable amount to get a good return. And then you run into the problem of having to pay to replace his production while paying him to play for another team. He didn't cost you picks or players to acquire, just money. Let him walk and get the full cap relief. You can easily replace his production for less money and use the difference to improve the roster.

Marner has a year left. He is also facing elimination. He has good trade value, but also has all of the leverage. You will have to retain some salary to get the best return, and that lands you in the same spot as jettisoning Nylander or Tavares. Marner's production is harder to cheaply replace than Tavares, so how do you replace that production for less money while paying him to suit up for another team? Marner was drafted and didn't cost the team any trade capital to acquire, you let him walk and get the full cap relief.

I have restated the obvious, so let me restate the obvious solution : try to trade them both if possible, but be ready to let them walk and get $22m in cap space to build around Matthews and Nylander - who are obviously your best pure goal scorers amongst the current core-4.

JT and Marner are the ones who should be nervous and hedging their bets.

Marner cannot lead a line that is the big difference.
- Drapz

pencil neck female dog hides in his big hat and shrinks like a dead Richard in winter under a sheet of snow when the playoffs start and the grownups start banging bodies🤦‍♂️

Is it the first A or the 2nd one in your user name that stands for Antisemitic?

Yes everyone who disagrees with you is an old flake, whiner or any of the other stupid names you call people here who have a different view than you. And you and Mitch are constantly bullied. 🙄

- Cush29

Did you help free the Jewish people from concentration camps or something?

Just you. And a handful of others.

Don’t get pissy and start crying “aNtIsEmItIsM” because you (frank)ed around.

Nobody is going to follow you down that road. Again, except for a handful of the flakiest of flakes.

Also, get new material. Repeatedly posting an image of a woman crying is disturbing.

During the regular season, sure he has. We are talking about the playoffs
- dmnted

The final goal was at least 30% Willy’s fault.

29% the defenders fault

20% Sammy’s fault

…

pencil neck female dog hides in his big hat and shrinks like a dead Richard in winter under a sheet of snow when the playoffs start and the grownups start banging bodies🤦‍♂️
- Skalapy

which one?

Did you help free the Jewish people from concentration camps or something?

Just you. And a handful of others.

Don’t get pissy and start crying “aNtIsEmItIsM” because you (frank)ed around.

Nobody is going to follow you down that road. Again, except for a handful of the flakiest of flakes.

Also, get new material. Repeatedly posting an image of a woman crying is disturbing.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

if that was offered to the Leafs but come on it was Pageau + Wahlstrom
this wasn't acceptable
Tre has his work cut out for him
- dmnted

To get Dobson they probably would have needed to add to Nylander. But straight up for Pesce seemed realistic. The bigger point...they had an opportunity to blow up the 4 by trading Nylander. They didn't. And should have realized that if 2024 was another failure, they would have their hands tied because JT and MM are more difficult to move. These clowns are playing checkers instead of chess.

The final goal was at least 30% Willy’s fault.

29% the defenders fault

20% Sammy’s fault

…
- Arctic_AARDVARK

so you are given Marner a free pass for letting his man go.
I would have it
Reilly 49% - for not getting to the dump in before Pasta did
Samsonov 25% - cause he did stop the puck or say something to D man
Marner 15% - for not sticking with his man
Nylander 11% - for being Nylander

that's how I see it

To get Dobson they probably would have needed to add to Nylander. But straight up for Pesce seemed realistic. The bigger point...they had an opportunity to blow up the 4 by trading Nylander. They didn't. And should have realized that if 2024 was another failure, they would have their hands tied because JT and MM are more difficult to move. These clowns are playing checkers instead of chess.
- HockeyBuzzed

They tried to do it 2 season ago and Shanahan put the breaks on the deal
I was either Nylander or Marner going for Karlsson but the Prez said no to that trade

JT and Marner are the ones who should be nervous and hedging their bets.
- GalacticStone

Agree. First things first. Hire a coach with some balls. I don't see JT with the C next year. Changes are coming.

The future of the core-4 will be determined largely by the timing of the contracts.

Matthews is signed long term and shouldn't be traded. He's your best player, you build around him and keep him.

Nylander is signed long term. Other teams would want him, but he has to agree to it, and then you might have to retain to get the return you really want - and even then you aren't freeing up as much cap space as you had hoped for by dumping a big contract if you are still paying for part of it. You have to pay to replace Nylander's production while still paying him to play for another team. Not ideal.

Tavares has a year left. He's facing elimination, so to speak. He has some trade value, but you would have to retain a sizeable amount to get a good return. And then you run into the problem of having to pay to replace his production while paying him to play for another team. He didn't cost you picks or players to acquire, just money. Let him walk and get the full cap relief. You can easily replace his production for less money and use the difference to improve the roster.

Marner has a year left. He is also facing elimination. He has good trade value, but also has all of the leverage. You will have to retain some salary to get the best return, and that lands you in the same spot as jettisoning Nylander or Tavares. Marner's production is harder to cheaply replace than Tavares, so how do you replace that production for less money while paying him to suit up for another team? Marner was drafted and didn't cost the team any trade capital to acquire, you let him walk and get the full cap relief.

I have restated the obvious, so let me restate the obvious solution : try to trade them both if possible, but be ready to let them walk and get $22m in cap space to build around Matthews and Nylander - who are obviously your best pure goal scorers amongst the current core-4.

JT and Marner are the ones who should be nervous and hedging their bets.
- GalacticStone

1. I don’t believe the Leafs would have to retain on Marner if he was traded. He’s much closer to value for money than JT & if the Leafs pay the bonus (traded after it’s paid) the “real dollars” a team would have to pay is 775K.

2. They aren’t freeing up 22M in cap space if they retain on one or both which is what you suggested they would need to do. They would free up the difference between 22M and what they retained.

so you are given Marner a free pass for letting his man go.
I would have it
Reilly 49% - for not getting to the dump in before Pasta did
Samsonov 25% - cause he did stop the puck or say something to D man
Marner 15% - for not sticking with his man
Nylander 11% - for being Nylander

that's how I see it
- dmnted

I don’t give anyone a pass.

Bottom line is the Leafs would’ve won that game if Rielly and Sammy didn’t make mistakes.

Marner was never going to win that battle, he wasn’t in position to do so. He had 3 guys back plus the goalie. Nylander being Nylander, well that just accepted because we all know he’ll never change.

1. I don’t believe the Leafs would have to retain on Marner if he was traded. He’s much closer to value for money than JT & of the Leafs pay the bonus (traded after it’s paid) the “real dollars” a team would have to pay is 775K.

2. They aren’t freeing up 22M in cap space if they retain on one or both which is what you suggested they would need to do. They would free up the difference between 22M and what they retained.
- Cush29

Ideally, I would trade them for assets without retaining much, if any salary. Even if that diminishes the return.

Worst case, retaining only puts you on the hook for a single year with JT or Marner. Retaining only becomes a true albatross if the contract has multi-year term remaining (like Nylander or Matthews)

My position is : prefer to trade them than let them walk, but also be prepared to let them walk and go shopping with $22m in cap space afterwards.

The fact the Leaf/Seattle fan hates the Marner for Larson / Wright trade proposal so much tells me the Leafa win that trade.
😁

I shared it because it was in interesting but I feel like it’s created more anger and angst than anything which is fueling insane takes and claims and suggestions.

I think approaching ANY player and privately asking them if they are willing to move is fine. Taking a player who says no and suddenly punishing them (no power play, fourth line minutes for a player who is on top 6 etc) for exercising their contractual rights is just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever read unless the end goal is to ensure no big name free agents ever want to play for the team.

Retaining salary on JT if he left also defeats the entire purpose of moving a big salary in this case because it’s for one year. Sure retaining on a multi year bad contract makes more sense but in this case retention makes no sense.

To me it’s Marner who will be moved if any core player gets moved and I have a hard time buying into the “they won’t make the playoffs without him”. I also don’t buy into the theory that the Leafs can’t succeed without that type of player. They can if they use the cap flexibility properly.

No point in having a garage full of high end sports cars when you need a tractor to plow the field and a pickup truck to haul wood and a grocery getter to run 6 kids around etc etc. etc.

Garage should have space for a couple high end sports cars but there are other needs too.

Right now it’s a garage full of sports cars and the rest of the team are on rented scooters of on foot!
- Cush29

Mmmm blowing fields.
Pretty much this....other than of our garage full of sports cars, only one seems to perform when a race is on the line. The other two not so much.

I don’t give anyone a pass.

Bottom line is the Leafs would’ve won that game if Rielly and Sammy didn’t make mistakes.

Marner was never going to win that battle, he wasn’t in position to do so. He had 3 guys back plus the goalie. Nylander being Nylander, well that just accepted because we all know he’ll never change.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

With comments like this we cannot take you seriously. He was in position until he hit our blueline. WAFJ

Did you help free the Jewish people from concentration camps or something?

Just you. And a handful of others.

Don’t get pissy and start crying “aNtIsEmItIsM” because you (frank)ed around.

Nobody is going to follow you down that road. Again, except for a handful of the flakiest of flakes.

Also, get new material. Repeatedly posting an image of a woman crying is disturbing.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You think I (or anyone else) need to tell you why your antisemitic comment is offensive and if we don’t what it’s suddenly not
Offensive?

Or are you just too stupid to understand why what you said is offensive and that it was complete inappropriate?

Don’t be upset because you accidentally put your antisemitism on full display here - that was 100% your own doing and nobody else’s.

I “(frank)ed around” and you are now making me find out? Is that the implication here? It’s hard to follow your deranged rants when you’re in full toddler temper tantrum mode.

Don’t be upset because you accidentally put your antisemitism on full display that was your doing and nobody else’s.

Anyone with any class and integrity would own up to this type of a mistake but you keep deflecting and denying.

I don’t strive to have people “follow me”
online - I understand you likely can’t grasp that since you spend so much time here trying to get others to “follow you” and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

I’ll judge what material I wish to post thanks but you telling me to get new material is hugely hypocritical coming from someone who repeatedly posts the same things & opinion all the time & resorts to calling people the same name(s) if they don’t agree.

Ideally, I would trade them for assets without retaining much, if any salary. Even if that diminishes the return.

Worst case, retaining only puts you on the hook for a single year with JT or Marner. Retaining only becomes a true albatross if the contract has multi-year term remaining (like Nylander or Matthews)

My position is : prefer to trade them than let them walk, but also be prepared to let them walk and go shopping with $22m in cap space afterwards.
- GalacticStone

Tavares isn’t going anywhere. It’s a non-starter.

Marner will be interesting.

The entire press conference was a waste of time - just trotting out the old cliches.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Wedgie’s prediction?

Core 5 stay for the 2024-25 season. Treliving remakes the team around the edges - tougher.

Summer of 2025 is when poop gets real.

The fact the Leaf/Seattle fan hates the Marner for Larson / Wright trade proposal so much tells me the Leafa win that trade.
😁

I shared it because it was in interesting but I feel like it’s created more anger and angst than anything which is fueling insane takes and claims and suggestions.

I think approaching ANY player and privately asking them if they are willing to move is fine. Taking a player who says no and suddenly punishing them (no power play, fourth line minutes for a player who is on top 6 etc) for exercising their contractual rights is just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever read unless the end goal is to ensure no big name free agents ever want to play for the team.

Retaining salary on JT if he left also defeats the entire purpose of moving a big salary in this case because it’s for one year. Sure retaining on a multi year bad contract makes more sense but in this case retention makes no sense.

To me it’s Marner who will be moved if any core player gets moved and I have a hard time buying into the “they won’t make the playoffs without him”. I also don’t buy into the theory that the Leafs can’t succeed without that type of player. They can if they use the cap flexibility properly.

No point in having a garage full of high end sports cars when you need a tractor to plow the field and a pickup truck to haul wood and a grocery getter to run 6 kids around etc etc. etc.

Garage should have space for a couple high end sports cars but there are other needs too.

Right now it’s a garage full of sports cars and the rest of the team are on rented scooters of on foot!
- Cush29

People can’t see the forest through the trees…. Forget moving 16 or 91 it’s not gonna happen.

Take the money from Klankburg , Domi and Bertuzzi and go get a goalie… a real actual NHL goalie… That would fix a multitude of issues….

Until the defense and the goalie gets fixed,
giving those guys a chance to play in front of a real playoff defense and goalie and then go from there.

- Skalapy

I said my piece and wasted more time than I should have replying to the antisemitic child’s temper tantrum.

I’ve got weekend yard work to attend to and now apparently a full set of MATLOCK DVD’s yet to watch so sorry to end the show early on you Skalapy!

I’m sure there will be another witty retort coming full or ageism and name calling and maybe another super cool FAAFO reference if we are so lucky!