I’m calling your bluff - no way that’s Mitchy! I don’t see Paul.
- Big23Questions

he's the one taken the picture

JT named captain of Team Canada
- Canada Cup

Unpossible he is way too quiet and not captain material. Never wins blah blah blah

They can't trade Marner if he doesn't want to be traded. And if he leaves as a UFA, well, the Leafs are simply led by the dumbest people in all of hockey.

The same can be said about Tavares. If he doesn't want to go, then he won't go. But they gave him 6 years and it didn't work out. If they want to wait 1 more, so be it. But it can't come at the cost of losing an elite player in his prime.



I think they can get an average return for Tavares if they retain a bit of his salary. The hard part is getting him to waive the NMC. But again, when players are asked to waive the NMC, they usually do. It's just a matter of them deciding what they want to do.

Would he return to Long Island? Perhaps. It's familiar. Would he go to Buffalo? Perhaps, it's near his family. It's just a matter of figuring out where he wants to go and crunching numbers. He can still provide value to certain situations, just not here at that price.

Leafs have to get creative.

Here's a thought for CBA cap creativity...

What if the Leafs trade him (after July 1st signing bonus, 700K salary) in a 3-way deal with each team retaining salary.

Is that even CBA legal? Don't know. But if it is, it might satisfy all parties if done correctly.



I think that needs to happen regardless of who they build the team around.



As you may remember, I wanted the Leafs to bring in big body RHD last season. This year, they have a couple options for UFA RHD. I think Woll is a total unknown. He's very good but also very unreliable. They absolutely need a cheap alternative to split the net with him. Target #1 should be Logan Thompson. I'd take Adin Hill too but he'd take more cap space. But one of the two should be available from Vegas.

Domi can stay if he takes 4 or less. Bertuzzi was a waste. Touted as a playoff performer I don't think he moved the needle for 5.5 AAV. Boosh made very few mistakes. I'd take him back if he costs less than Liljegren and they decide to dump Liljegren. Think the Liljegren experiement might be over too and I'd only keep him if he plays for 1.25 AAV or less as a bottom pair RHD. He's not top-4 quality on a winner. Edmundson is over the hill. If he plays for less, maybe you take him as the 7th D, otherwise he can walk.
- Rare_Jewel

gee, now you are making sense.

Daily post for the summer since some forget way to easily

The 3 core Leafs playoff careers in G5-7:

Matthews - 19 gp, 416.87 mins of TOI, 8 goals, 13 pts, 1.15 G/60, 1.87 pts/60

Nylander - 21 gp, 398.49 mins of TOI, 7 goals, 17 pts, 1.05 G/60, 2.56 pts/60

Marner - 21 gp, 465.70 mins of TOI, 1 goal, 9 pts, 0.13 G/60, 1.16 pts/60 (!?!)

again you are ASSuMing that they will sign players on the cheap.
Pesce will NOT sign for 4.5M cap hit. Try 5.5~7M range it will be.
you will need to retain more than 2m or give a high draft pick to move Tavares
and there goes the cap space you were hoping to gain.
- dmnted

I think players, like pesce, have been waiting for the cap to finally start going up. I think you'll see bigger dollars now on these types of guys.

I don’t get all the Mitch hate. It wasn’t that long ago that having a player like that was just a pipe dream.
- shack67

People starting hating on mitch cause AA was hating on willie so (frank)ing much. Juvenile. But it happens.
Then they started picking apart every error he made.
Then mitch had an off year and a not so impressive playoffs...now peeps dont want to pay him 12m per. Understandable. He hasnt been clutch. His clutch stats are pretty bad.
This team cant win with 50m in cap on 4 players
Am and willie have already been overpaid their new extensions, so marner is the odd man out.

Gio as D coach
Berube, Evason and Boudreau

Pulock and Eddie

Jenner

Done and done

Also, Canucks song 😆
https://twitter.com/Zer0P...ps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F

Not to mention he is not that big.
- jribout

lmfaooooooooo 🤣

People starting hating on mitch cause AA was hating on willie so (frank)ing much. Juvenile. But it happens.
Then they started picking apart every error he made.
Then mitch had an off year and a not so impressive playoffs...now peeps dont want to pay him 12m per. Understandable. He hasnt been clutch. His clutch stats are pretty bad.
This team cant win with 50m in cap on 4 players
Am and willie have already been overpaid their new extensions, so marner is the odd man out.
- Fakepartofme

Very accurate.

Gio as D coach
Berube, Evason and Boudreau

Pulock and Eddie

Jenner

Done and done

Also, Canucks song 😆
https://twitter.com/Zer0P...ps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F
- mr.sir

Fück off with this Jenner stuff already

The fact that each of the core 4 make around the same amount as McDavid is really embarrassing.
- AdamFrench

100% this.

Fück off with this Jenner stuff already
- .HOHO.

Never!

Suck our ⚽️ ⚾️ 🏈

Never!

Suck our ⚽️ ⚾️ 🏈
- mr.sir

Multiple personality disorder?

Idiot.

Nylander has won the Leafs playoff games, how many has Marner got?
- dmnted

Nylander also lost them games. But that’s not as commonly discussed now is it?

Marner>>Nylander in every way.

If Marner was open to killing every offensive zone pressure by throwing everything on net like Willy does, he’d have more goals than him too. But he sees the game a lot better than Willy (hence his defensive acumen) and that leads to a lot more sustained offensive zone time. I don’t think Marner should shoot more just to get more goals, he’s a playmaker first.

This team would fail to make the playoffs without Mitch.

People starting hating on mitch cause AA was hating on willie so (frank)ing much. Juvenile. But it happens.
Then they started picking apart every error he made.
Then mitch had an off year and a not so impressive playoffs...now peeps dont want to pay him 12m per. Understandable. He hasnt been clutch. His clutch stats are pretty bad.
This team cant win with 50m in cap on 4 players
Am and willie have already been overpaid their new extensions, so marner is the odd man out.
- Fakepartofme

The issue isn’t that Willie and Auston may or may not have been overpaid. It’s just that they’re wrapped up and Marner isn’t and this is day 2 of the Pelleyplan.

The fact the Leaf/Seattle fan hates the Marner for Larson / Wright trade proposal so much tells me the Leafa win that trade.
😁

I shared it because it was in interesting but I feel like it’s created more anger and angst than anything which is fueling insane takes and claims and suggestions.

I think approaching ANY player and privately asking them if they are willing to move is fine. Taking a player who says no and suddenly punishing them (no power play, fourth line minutes for a player who is on top 6 etc) for exercising their contractual rights is just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever read unless the end goal is to ensure no big name free agents ever want to play for the team.

Retaining salary on JT if he left also defeats the entire purpose of moving a big salary in this case because it’s for one year. Sure retaining on a multi year bad contract makes more sense but in this case retention makes no sense.

To me it’s Marner who will be moved if any core player gets moved and I have a hard time buying into the “they won’t make the playoffs without him”. I also don’t buy into the theory that the Leafs can’t succeed without that type of player. They can if they use the cap flexibility properly.

No point in having a garage full of high end sports cars when you need a tractor to plow the field and a pickup truck to haul wood and a grocery getter to run 6 kids around etc etc. etc.

Garage should have space for a couple high end sports cars but there are other needs too.

Right now it’s a garage full of sports cars and the rest of the team are on rented scooters of on foot!

People starting hating on mitch cause AA was hating on willie so (frank)ing much. Juvenile. But it happens.
Then they started picking apart every error he made.
Then mitch had an off year and a not so impressive playoffs...now peeps dont want to pay him 12m per. Understandable. He hasnt been clutch. His clutch stats are pretty bad.
This team cant win with 50m in cap on 4 players
Am and willie have already been overpaid their new extensions, so marner is the odd man out.
- Fakepartofme

Oh ya I’m the reason the haters hate

Now talk about Auston’s clutch performances.

You guys will never talk about the fact that Willy had the production he did, because it was a contract year. His points/GM were much higher before he signed that contract, dropped off after (go figure).

Oh, also he’s a train wreck defensively and is the softest player to ever play in the league.

Have fun with that.

Daily post for the summer since some forget way to easily

The 3 core Leafs playoff careers in G5-7:

Matthews - 19 gp, 416.87 mins of TOI, 8 goals, 13 pts, 1.15 G/60, 1.87 pts/60

Nylander - 21 gp, 398.49 mins of TOI, 7 goals, 17 pts, 1.05 G/60, 2.56 pts/60

Marner - 21 gp, 465.70 mins of TOI, 1 goal, 9 pts, 0.13 G/60, 1.16 pts/60 (!?!)
- jribout

Just set this to auto repeat every 8-10 hours and then adjust the schedule as needed! Lol

Most of these problems would have been solved if Nylander was simply traded last summer. Whether it's Dobson or Pesce or Parayko or whatever. The point is you accept that Marner stays, we wait out Tavares for 2 more years, now 1. But Nylander is moved for a top pair d-man. So this season they would have had better balance. And instead of right now being handcuffed by NMCs, they go into next season with a big 3 instead of big 4, and have cap space to tinker with the supporting cast.

To be clear, I'd pick Nylander over Marner anyway, but the strategy above just recognizes the reality of where their contracts stand. It was so obvious.

Oh ya I’m the reason the haters hate

Now talk about Auston’s clutch performances.

You guys will never talk about the fact that Willy had the production he did, because it was a contract year. His points/GM were much higher before he signed that contract, dropped off after (go figure).

Oh, also he’s a train wreck defensively and is the softest player to ever play in the league.

Have fun with that.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

^

This is why good defense lawyers don’t let guilty clients testify in their own defense.

Lmfao

^

This is why good defense lawyers don’t let guilty clients testify in their own defense.

Lmfao
- Cush29

I’ve never had to hire a defence lawyer, so I wouldn’t know.

You seem to have some experience with it tho.

What did you do Cush? Get caught shoplifting a DVD box set of Matlock from the Cracker Barrel gift shop?

People starting hating on mitch cause AA was hating on willie so (frank)ing much. Juvenile. But it happens.
Then they started picking apart every error he made.
Then mitch had an off year and a not so impressive playoffs...now peeps dont want to pay him 12m per. Understandable. He hasnt been clutch. His clutch stats are pretty bad.
This team cant win with 50m in cap on 4 players
Am and willie have already been overpaid their new extensions, so marner is the odd man out.
- Fakepartofme

This team hasn't won with the current core four. Vancouver was a pure poop team for three seasons, changed their coach added a few pieces and has had a very solid season. The PP needs to be addressed, another goaltender will be added. If Tree does his job he will add some draft picks. There will be changes, this team has to get meaner. Knies is a future captain of this team.

Oh ya I’m the reason the haters hate

Now talk about Auston’s clutch performances.

You guys will never talk about the fact that Willy had the production he did, because it was a contract year. His points/GM were much higher before he signed that contract, dropped off after (go figure).

Oh, also he’s a train wreck defensively and is the softest player to ever play in the league.

Have fun with that.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yep, yer not wrong. It’s just that the way Dubas signed these contracts and the way it sits now, we’re franked. AM needs to step up and play like he did in game 2, period. He’s the best goal scorer in the league so he’s going nowhere. AM needs to wear the C right now!

In my mind we can’t keep both MM and Willie. Too much soft for that money! MM looks terrified in the playoffs! Guys punch him in the face and he just stands there taking it. You know he is going to screw the Leafs for stupid money on next contract, and if yer making $12mil you need to carry your line, show up in playoffs, be a warrior. One of MM or Willie has to go and it’s just that some prefer MM and some Willie. If Willie puts out like he was before signing his contract it’s a no brainer he stays. Do you pay MM Nate MacKinnon money? No frankin way!

Leafs (Dubas and Shanahan) franked up by giving these guy huge bucks before they did anything AND giving them the power. Here you go guys, all the money you want AND if you don’t succeed we can’t fire you or trade you! Stupid.

So now, JT is gone within a year unless he takes $3mil for 3rd line centre. One of Willie or MM has to go. I will regain some respect for Marner if he does a sign and trade. Otherwise I just see him as a spoiled punk and want him off the team. But that’s just me.

Fück off with this Jenner stuff already
- .HOHO.

nice use of the umlaut👍🏿

poone jenner will bring the cup back to the GTA👍

it’s been prophesied👊🏿

the stairs to the altar have been built🙏

it’s merely a matter of pellet trading greedy female dog and fulfilling the prophecy🙏🏿

what a (frank)ing joke🤦‍♂️

edit: alliteration👍🏿