We have one vet worth the 11th pick, a 2nd year guy next season.
- rpeters01

Trade up from 20 to 11 and it wouldn’t cost Bedard

Seabrook really was just good at almost everything, so well rounded in his prime. Where, like you indicated Keith was more athletic and probably more elite in the mobility/endurance/agility, etc..
- breadbag

Seabrook was/is very well regarded by the Hawks fan base, as well he should be, but very underrated by other fan bases, my favorite Hawks defenseman of all time.
Edit - he was signed to that extension because he was the only good size defenseman with his skill set in the system, but all of those playoff runs took its toll.

Nurse was a top 10 pick. Kelfbom they drafted 19 one of the years and Bouchard was 10 I think. Broberg was a top 10 pick.

Thats between 2010 and 2018. So in 8 years they burnt 4 first round picks on defenders. What should that spread look like?

2012 in general was a very bad draft class.
2011 they took RNH and Adam Larsson went 4, Dougie went 9 and Brodie went 10.
2010 they picked Hall and Gudbranson was the only one picked in the top 10.

Last 5 years only Owen Power has gone in the top 2 spots. Dahlin in the last 10.

Most of the defenders start getting picked up at 4.

It's probably too early to count Luke Hughes - but other than Makar - the top 5 defenders have been pretty underwhelming. Dahlin is very good but not sure how much better he is than Quinn Hughes, Bouchard or Dobson who went later.

Based on historical trends - the 'safer' bet to get full value for that number 2 slot is probably going to be a forward. The mock drafts are all over the place but maybe there is an opportunity to move up and grab someone else they like sooner.
- fattybeef

Just wanted to add Heiskanen.

Looks like Keefe just got let go.
- Chunk

I’m betting Keefe ends up in Pittsburgh and if Marner is traded he’ll wind up there as well. Dumbass seems to believe, damn the defence, you win with offense. He’ll ruin Pittsburgh just like he did with Toronto.

I’m betting Keefe ends up in Pittsburgh and if Marner is traded he’ll wind up there as well. Dumbass seems to believe, damn the defence, you win with offense. He’ll ruin Pittsburgh just like he did with Toronto.
- paulr

PITT was kinda ruined already. He just came on to an already sinking ship. Not trying to harp on them, but their best players are all older and not enough of their younger guys have stepped in/up to be major contributors.

Trade up from 20 to 11 and it wouldn’t cost Bedard
- Assman22

The post was about having 2, 11 and 20.

Trade up from 20 to 11 and it wouldn’t cost Bedard
- Assman22

Except Buffalo wants NHL ready talent (most likely at forward). Who do the Hawks have that would fit that description?

PITT was kinda ruined already. He just came on to an already sinking ship. Not trying to harp on them, but their best players are all older and not enough of their younger guys have stepped in/up to be major contributors.
- Chunk

He boards a sinking ship and immediately makes a deal for aging defenseman Erik Karlsson.

Seabrook really was just good at almost everything, so well rounded in his prime. Where, like you indicated Keith was more athletic and probably more elite in the mobility/endurance/agility, etc..
- breadbag

Seabrook's wrist shot was harder and better than Keith's slap shot.

I don't know if Chicago has anything that would interest Buffalo enough to trade #11. Jones won't waive his NMC for the Sabres, Murphy isn't worth a 1st (plus they're not bad on defense), and I don't see any of Chicago's forwards being worth a 1st (besides Bedard).

Plus, KD wants the team to improve next year, I don't think they can afford to trade away the limited NHL talent they have.

Now...if Buffalo wants to trade #11 for Mackenzie Entwistle I can be all over that!

- DarthKane

Just as long as it doesn't cost us Raddysh.

I’m betting Keefe ends up in Pittsburgh and if Marner is traded he’ll wind up there as well. Dumbass seems to believe, damn the defence, you win with offense. He’ll ruin Pittsburgh just like he did with Toronto.
- paulr

Pens with 12M in cap space and several roster spots to fill. Hard to take on Marner's 11M unless Karlsson is going back to the Leafs.

I bet the Leafs keep the core four and continue the Shanaplan, just with a new coach. Next year, they could re-up Marner and let Tavares walk.

Davidson just interviewed on WSCR radio. I'll try to post a link of a replay if there is one available.

Some snippets.

1. Happy to have the 2nd pick. Will get a very good player.

2. No problem taking a player from the KHL. Due diligence required of course.

3. Believes existing prospect pool well balanced.

4. Subscribes to taking the best player available.

5. Will bring in a few players this summer to elevate the group either through promotion, trades, free agency. Trades at this time hard to predict since you don't know who's available.

6. He's big into responsible cap management. Doesn't want to to sign veterans to long contracts that look good when signing but won't pay off in long run. Doesn't want to let go of young talent eventually because of bad cap management. Don't want to box yourself into corner. Cap space goes quickly.

7. Lots of flexibility with picks this draft - 2-1sts, 3-2nds, 2-3rds. Can trade up or trade down with picks including push some back to future years.
- boilermaker100

As I said earlier. It appears Kyle From Chicago has learned something from the sins of past.

Except Buffalo wants NHL ready talent (most likely at forward). Who do the Hawks have that would fit that description?
- Chunk

They have been looking for a RD to play with Power as well, so who knows. They have some really good young LD’s in Byram, Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson. That’s as good as it gets if you take talent and age of these guys into account.

He boards a sinking ship and immediately makes a deal for aging defenseman Erik Karlsson.
- paulr

Yeah, it's not like I said he improve the team.

Seabrook's wrist shot was harder and better than Keith's slap shot.
- rpeters01

No question Seabrook was a better shooter.

Pens with 12M in cap space and several roster spots to fill. Hard to take on Marner's 11M unless Karlsson is going back to the Leafs.

I bet the Leafs keep the core four and continue the Shanaplan, just with a new coach. Next year, they could re-up Marner and let Tavares walk.
- boilermaker100

I think you are right that Tavares will be the odd man out. He will be turning 34 at the start of training camp here going into this season, they just have one more year left and he will either be gone or if he does come back it will be for less $$$ just because of his age. This was arguably his weakest season as a Leaf with 65 points in 80 games and only 2 points in the 7 game series loss to Boston. Unless he does something magical this season to make him too valuable to lose, I think he is the first of those 4 to be gone.

No question Seabrook was a better shooter.
- breadbag

I think Seabrook was very underrated. I know he was always considered part of the core, and rightfully so, but his impact on the Cup runs was massive. He may not have had the points Keith did, but the timing of Seabrook's offense was up their with Kane. Plus, Seabrook played a physical game and was always a leader in the dressing room (even when he didn't wear a letter).

Seabrook's style led to a quicker deterioration of his game, but at his prime Seabrook was a beast.

Here's the link to the Davidson interview on WSCR radio. Short video snippet at the top and the full 20 minute audio discussion a bit further down.

https://www.audacy.com/67...ful-for-blackhawks-future

What are the chances Coach Q gets a shot at the Toronto job?

What are the chances Coach Q gets a shot at the Toronto job?
- bjphawkfan

Pretty low, I don't think he was cleared to coach again at this point.

What are the chances Coach Q gets a shot at the Toronto job?
- bjphawkfan

On the Leafs board, the idea went over like a turd in a punch bowl.

I hope he doesn't go there because he could help them.

Here's the link to the Davidson interview on WSCR radio. Short video snippet at the top and the full 20 minute audio discussion a bit further down.

https://www.audacy.com/67...ful-for-blackhawks-future
- boilermaker100

Listening to the whole thing, I think we are going to see more of Kyle the trader than Kyle the FA spender. Interesting offseason ahead.

Just spebt 2.5 hours on the phone with Jhawk59 and we both are applying cream afterward...mine to my ear socket and him to his hHemorrhoids .

We figured out we do not know who thehawks will pick.

I surmised Kyle trying to trade up in the first,

and trying to fill that gap bewteen his first 2nd rounder at #34 and his second 54 2nd rounder.

I could easily see Kyle going to say Seattle and trading for the Kraken's #40 and tarding the hawks' #54 and 72 for it.

Listening to the whole thing, I think we are going to see more of Kyle the trader than Kyle the FA spender. Interesting offseason ahead.
- Chunk

He's got plenty of draft capital to spend. I wouldn't be opposed to trading the Blackhawks 2025 or 2026 1st round pick for the right return.

He's got plenty of draft capital to spend. I wouldn't be opposed to trading the Blackhawks 2025 or 2026 1st round pick for the right return.
- DarthKane

I would think it all depends on how he feels about the prospects he's banked so far. Is he at the point where he knows where the group's deficiencies are and he can and should address them through trading? Obviously he has plenty of cap space to work with. Signing a FA would mean not having to spend draft picks, so he'd have to think he could sign said FA and believe that the FA is a better deal than the player traded for minus the draft pick(s) given up.

Regarding do they trade the second pick that was discussed earlier, how do they feel about the pool after Celebrini? Is it a steep drop from 2 to 10 on their evaluation sheets, or not so much? That slope has to be examined. If not a big difference, then make a trade. If the slope is real, use the 2nd pick. As always, I leave the eval to those of you who follow the prospects.