yup. Santo might get something right once too
- drexel

Rent free

(frank) Boston and (frank) Florida. Can't stand either of them.

Out of the remaining teams, I don't like any of them.

So, I guess I have to go with McJesus and a Canadian team.
- GalacticStone

So you'll take time out from watching (guarding) your front lawn?

I mean if that was the measuring stick then he was wrong. So in terms of prophecy that makes him Jim Jones I believe.
- The Law

Jim Jones … wow.. that’s a tad strong … 🙄🙄🙄😧😧😧😉😉😉

Jim Jones … wow.. that’s a tad strong … 🙄🙄🙄😧😧😧😉😉😉
- dozerD10

Read SS at your own risk.

So you'll take time out from watching (guarding) your front lawn?
- Nasty_Duck

Don't you 'murcans have hawkey to watch?

I kid ...

I like Tree's attitude. He can cook for me. I don't hate Keefe either but the time has come for a change ...and maybe Berube is the guy ..or quietly write a blank cheque for Rod the Bod.

Brian Burke had a great interview last year (it's on TSN if someone wants to search it out) ...he was pissed about the whole Shanny-Dubas thing and said the Leafs GM's were no different than any other GM jobs in the league. Media got all dramatic about one decision by Dubas being vetoed and of course some fans love the drama. Whether it's an owner or a president the GM always runs decisions through them. Burke had to go through Peddie back in his day and Dubas had to go through Shanny ..no different.

All that said - fire shanny, who cares. Point is it won't make a difference. Treeliving will just be running poop through Pelley instead.
- The Law

Mike mentioned Q...

Mike mentioned Q...
- fifty__missions

I saw EF and Kyper talk about him too. Sounded like the leagues been radio-silent on anything to do with Q ....so far.

RIP Hindenburg

I assumed he was at that age he'd be UFA eligible, had a feeling I should have looked it up. Thanks for confirming.

Good offer sheet candidate. 👀
- joel878

Nice back track lol 👍

When do we start talking about the draft and sounding like we know anything about these kids?

When do we start talking about the draft and sounding like we know anything about these kids?
- The Law

Lottery is tomorrow.

I saw EF and Kyper talk about him too. Sounded like the leagues been radio-silent on anything to do with Q ....so far.
- The Law

He'd absolutely be my preference.

Ray Ferraro said tell Marner no extension is coming. Dig in go from there.

He'd absolutely be my preference.
- fifty__missions

Optics aside cuz matters not. Q 👍

I like Tree's attitude. He can cook for me. I don't hate Keefe either but the time has come for a change ...and maybe Berube is the guy ..or quietly write a blank cheque for Rod the Bod.

Brian Burke had a great interview last year (it's on TSN if someone wants to search it out) ...he was pissed about the whole Shanny-Dubas thing and said the Leafs GM's were no different than any other GM jobs in the league. Media got all dramatic about one decision by Dubas being vetoed and of course some fans love the drama. Whether it's an owner or a president the GM always runs decisions through them. Burke had to go through Peddie back in his day and Dubas had to go through Shanny ..no different.

All that said - fire shanny, who cares. Point is it won't make a difference. Treeliving will just be running poop through Pelley instead.
- The Law

Athletic article from Siegel:

"Regardless of whether you thought Dubas did a good job or not as GM of the Leafs, not extending his contract set up just the kind of situation any well-run organization should seek to avoid. Which was the need to negotiate a new deal for the GM at the outset of the offseason.

When those negotiations went awry and Shanahan decided to fire Dubas suddenly, the Leafs were left without a general manager weeks before the draft and start of free agency. Which meant they had to hurry to find someone new. Which meant that the someone new, Treliving, hired less than two weeks after Dubas was fired, would have only an outsider’s view of the team and its needs on the eve of the most important roster-building time of the year.

Which showed in Treliving’s early transactions as GM.

His first move was to sign David Kämpf to a four-year contract, with a cap hit of $2.4 million, days before the start of free agency. His second and third moves (minus a new contract for Pontus Holmberg): Sign Ryan Reaves to a three-year contract, with a cap hit of $1.35 million, and John Klingberg to a one-year contract, with a cap hit of $4.15 million."

Season was doomed before it started, and it was entirely Shanahans doing. Showing Dubas the door a few weeks before the draft was completely moronic, despite all the pundits here saying it was of no consequence.

That's before you factor in he indicated he wanted to rock the boat, and Marner had no trade protection at that point...

RIP Hindenburg



Nice back track lol 👍
- Nighthawk

You're gonna chirp me for having the gaul to openly taking ownership of a mistake?

Lol. Stay classy.

Athletic article from Siegel:

"Regardless of whether you thought Dubas did a good job or not as GM of the Leafs, not extending his contract set up just the kind of situation any well-run organization should seek to avoid. Which was the need to negotiate a new deal for the GM at the outset of the offseason.

When those negotiations went awry and Shanahan decided to fire Dubas suddenly, the Leafs were left without a general manager weeks before the draft and start of free agency. Which meant they had to hurry to find someone new. Which meant that the someone new, Treliving, hired less than two weeks after Dubas was fired, would have only an outsider’s view of the team and its needs on the eve of the most important roster-building time of the year.

Which showed in Treliving’s early transactions as GM.

His first move was to sign David Kämpf to a four-year contract, with a cap hit of $2.4 million, days before the start of free agency. His second and third moves (minus a new contract for Pontus Holmberg): Sign Ryan Reaves to a three-year contract, with a cap hit of $1.35 million, and John Klingberg to a one-year contract, with a cap hit of $4.15 million."

Season was doomed before it started, and it was entirely Shanahans doing. Showing Dubas the door a few weeks before the draft was completely moronic, despite all the pundits here saying it was of no consequence.

That's before you factor in he indicated he wanted to rock the boat, and Marner had no trade protection at that point...
- joel878

Everyone poops on Kampf he has been worth every penny the last 2 playoffs.

Athletic article from Siegel:

"Regardless of whether you thought Dubas did a good job or not as GM of the Leafs, not extending his contract set up just the kind of situation any well-run organization should seek to avoid. Which was the need to negotiate a new deal for the GM at the outset of the offseason.

When those negotiations went awry and Shanahan decided to fire Dubas suddenly, the Leafs were left without a general manager weeks before the draft and start of free agency. Which meant they had to hurry to find someone new. Which meant that the someone new, Treliving, hired less than two weeks after Dubas was fired, would have only an outsider’s view of the team and its needs on the eve of the most important roster-building time of the year.

Which showed in Treliving’s early transactions as GM.

His first move was to sign David Kämpf to a four-year contract, with a cap hit of $2.4 million, days before the start of free agency. His second and third moves (minus a new contract for Pontus Holmberg): Sign Ryan Reaves to a three-year contract, with a cap hit of $1.35 million, and John Klingberg to a one-year contract, with a cap hit of $4.15 million."

Season was doomed before it started, and it was entirely Shanahans doing. Showing Dubas the door a few weeks before the draft was completely moronic, despite all the pundits here saying it was of no consequence.

That's before you factor in he indicated he wanted to rock the boat, and Marner had no trade protection at that point...
- joel878

Jonas Seagull was and continues to be a Dubas wife. The guy was a Kyle bootlicker and mouthpiece in the media from the get-go. He's got his chance to pile on Shanny now. Whatever.

Dear Mitch. We're not extending you. And we just hired a non-nonsense coach who has no problem burying you down the lineup, yanking you off the PP. So if you want to have a big contract year, it's not happening here. Would ypu accept a trade to X instead?

Dear John. We're not extending you. Prepare for a year of bottom 6 duty, no more PP, lots of PK. Or accept a trade to Y.

The return on these trades is zero. The $22m of cap space is the reward. Now go sign Pesce or Montour. Sign Matt Roy. Sign DeBrusk. Maybe bring back Domi or Bertuzzi. Lots of options if you dump those two clowns. But the threats have to be real.

Don't you 'murcans have hawkey to watch?

I kid ...
- The Law

Watching the game, but ... I'm not American...

Jonas Seagull was and continues to be a Dubas wife. The guy was a Kyle bootlicker and mouthpiece in the media from the get-go. He's got his chance to pile on Shanny now. Whatever.
- fifty__missions

It's not even about Dubas. It's about the idea that leaving yourself without a GM 3 weeks before the most critical time of year for sorting your roster is absolutely moronic.

You said that as though you haven't just been taking the opportunity to poop all over Shanahan for pages.

Everyone poops on Kampf he has been worth every penny the last 2 playoffs.
- jribout

Lol, the (frank) he has. At his most valued this series, he proved that Dewar could do his job for a third of the cost.

If Shanny is not replaced the Core 4 are going nowhere.. Simple as that

Athletic article from Siegel:

"Regardless of whether you thought Dubas did a good job or not as GM of the Leafs, not extending his contract set up just the kind of situation any well-run organization should seek to avoid. Which was the need to negotiate a new deal for the GM at the outset of the offseason.

When those negotiations went awry and Shanahan decided to fire Dubas suddenly, the Leafs were left without a general manager weeks before the draft and start of free agency. Which meant they had to hurry to find someone new. Which meant that the someone new, Treliving, hired less than two weeks after Dubas was fired, would have only an outsider’s view of the team and its needs on the eve of the most important roster-building time of the year.

Which showed in Treliving’s early transactions as GM.

His first move was to sign David Kämpf to a four-year contract, with a cap hit of $2.4 million, days before the start of free agency. His second and third moves (minus a new contract for Pontus Holmberg): Sign Ryan Reaves to a three-year contract, with a cap hit of $1.35 million, and John Klingberg to a one-year contract, with a cap hit of $4.15 million."

Season was doomed before it started, and it was entirely Shanahans doing. Showing Dubas the door a few weeks before the draft was completely moronic, despite all the pundits here saying it was of no consequence.

That's before you factor in he indicated he wanted to rock the boat, and Marner had no trade protection at that point...
- joel878

I find Siegal to be pretty dramatic just for the sake of it. He has a tonne of really stupid ideas on Overdrive when he's on there. Like shake your head level stupid.

I'm not defending Shanny ( I don't care if he stays or goes) and I wasn't on or off team Dubas ..he ran his course (welcome to pro sports) and he played a big part in that divorce with his weird "new" demands after the deal had seemingly been struck.

As to Siegal's point about Treeliving being in tough ...I don't disagree but realistically Dubas would've been in the same situation. July 1st wouldn't have suddenly had more options for Dubas then they did for Tree. Most decisions made July 1st were regretable ..even the ones Dubas made in Pitt. I had no problem with the Bert or Domi signings. Jones worked out. Benoit was good. Locked up 34 at a fair number. Klingberg was terrible but was a 1yr gamble in a summer of poopty UFA d'men. Would Dubas have brought back Holl for 3 years instead? or traded the farm for Karlsson? and his cap hit.

For me, too much ink is spilt about Shanny. Dubas built this team and deserves any praise and criticism ...and now it's the Tree's turn. He's in the crosshairs this summer.

Lol, the (frank) he has. At his most valued this series, he proved that Dewar could do his job for a third of the cost.
- joel878

Kampf drove that 4th line and even made it look good with Reaves on it. He also took a ton of Dzone faceoffs and started in the Dzone 87% of the time.

Dear Mitch. We're not extending you. And we just hired a non-nonsense coach who has no problem burying you down the lineup, yanking you off the PP. So if you want to have a big contract year, it's not happening here. Would ypu accept a trade to X instead?

Dear John. We're not extending you. Prepare for a year of bottom 6 duty, no more PP, lots of PK. Or accept a trade to Y.

The return on these trades is zero. The $22m of cap space is the reward. Now go sign Pesce or Montour. Sign Matt Roy. Sign DeBrusk. Maybe bring back Domi or Bertuzzi. Lots of options if you dump those two clowns. But the threats have to be real.
- HockeyBuzzed

The whole gaining $11 mil is a fallacy..The return will not be Zero $$...Teams would need to send salary back.

If you look at my posts I am all for change but let's be a little realistic.

Also the Leafs lost a series that they were supposed to lose... Boston was favored. Most had Bruins in 6 or 7.