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landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 29 @ 8:58 PM ET
Hopefully Rocky is watching this game and learns how good power plays work.
- bird_dog_pa


I was just thinking the same thing….man these PPs look totally different.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 29 @ 9:05 PM ET
What a joke of a team Toronto is! Tavares is a born loser. Matthews decides he too sick to play, way to tough it out for the team kid! And Marner is an absolute no show. Marner is soft! There is a difference between regular season hockey and playoff hockey, and Marner can put up points in the regular season, but come playoff time, he is an absolute cream puff; couldn't win a puck battle to save his life. Even Nylander is calling Marner out on the bench. There is talk he will be available after yet another first round loss to the Bruins, and if so I sincerely hope the Flyers want nothing to do with him. Not close to worth the price tag.
- jd250


What are you talking about. The leafs are the model franchise that we should emulate to become perennial contenders. Haha.

They are a mess. This might be the end of shanahan and keefe. They’ll have to change the whole 5 guys making half the cap format but I hope they don’t change a thing.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 29 @ 9:08 PM ET
Hopefully Rocky is watching this game and learns how good power plays work.
- bird_dog_pa




Nope -- in a meeting learning how to play the 200 ft game from Sharp and Johnny Vermont. Torts created a slide show deck. Very in-depth. Quite a few slides showed Frost in the press box in Toronto. Also Sanheim in Calgary. For poops and giggles, torts texted them all screenshots of the text scratching them in their hometowns saying lol - i haven't even updated the lineup board, and it is 90 minutes to game time. They dropped some serious duckets for fam tix and I scratched them -- they WILL LEARN HOW TO PLAY MY WAY!!!
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 29 @ 9:15 PM ET
Not sure if this is true, but the dude from Flyers Daily News thinks that Michkov could arrive early? That coach left him off the Russian National team and that MM may be playing in a lower tier again next year. The bottom line is that the article states that if MM gets frustrated enough with his treatment that he could buy out his own contract and be free to come to the Flyers. Is this true Bill?
- Phillywhiteout


It’s obvious MM and the coach do not get along or like each other. That may play into him being released early or given the opportunity to buy his way out. It may also be a rich entitled, under qualified coach sticking it to a kid ….just because he can….Flyers are very smart not to comment.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Apr 29 @ 9:37 PM ET
It’s obvious MM and the coach do not get along or like each other. That may play into him being released early or given the opportunity to buy his way out. It may also be a rich entitled, under qualified coach sticking it to a kid ….just because he can….Flyers are very smart not to comment.
- landros 2


Yeah, if he’s sticking it to MM then he’ll just continue to loan him to Sochi for the duration of his contract. Honestly though I’m fine with him not coming over early. They’re going to want to compete as soon as he’s over and they’re nowhere close. Watching these playoffs illustrates how incredibly far they are from competing. Flyers are in need of a #1D and #1C. It takes a #1D 3-4 years to develop. So if the Flyers somehow draft that guy this summer, it would align with Michkov coming over.
Thrashahoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.07.2018

Apr 29 @ 9:43 PM ET
Nylander is HIM. Your out of your mind. Almost a point per game post season production if not more. Those other two regular season Beauty queens can get lost. My man produces at every level. He's on the wrong team.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 29 @ 9:51 PM ET
Panthers Verhaegee has more palyoff goals than the big 3 for Toronto does in round 1
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 29 @ 9:52 PM ET
Tampa is done. Put up four on Vas. Barkov two goals In clinching game.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 9:56 PM ET
I came to read the Cutter complaining talk and all I get is this?

It's 2024 and you're telling me no one created an online tough guy fight club yet? There's a dating app for everything imaginable and nothing to squash baby beef babbling...amazing, what is this world coming to.

- Glak18


Ha.

Sir, let me state the obvious. If you (a generic you) are here on a regular basis, you are a loser. You could be a clever loser, a genial loser, an bumhole loser, but the 2nd term applies.

All perspectives, all povs, have been expressed so many times, the same ones by the same people, and so static is the situation, that we ran out of things worth saying/reading ...ohh... 5 years ago.

Under such cicumstances, consider such dialogues a dirty, diversionary distraction.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 29 @ 9:56 PM ET
Yeah, if he’s sticking it to MM then he’ll just continue to loan him to Sochi for the duration of his contract. Honestly though I’m fine with him not coming over early. They’re going to want to compete as soon as he’s over and they’re nowhere close. Watching these playoffs illustrates how incredibly far they are from competing. Flyers are in need of a #1D and #1C. It takes a #1D 3-4 years to develop. So if the Flyers somehow draft that guy this summer, it would align with Michkov coming over.
- Schmojo


I doubt the Flyers will find that player in this years draft, especially #1C...unless they somehow trade up to get the #1 pick.

What the Flyers need is a true #1 center, those players do not take 4 years to develop. Actually most have some sort of impact in the NHL by their D+2, where the elite normally make an impact the year after drafted.

So don't ever expect a player to become a superstar and flourish at 23-24, they may become good players, but not what the Flyers need.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Apr 29 @ 10:00 PM ET
Not sure if this is true, but the dude from Flyers Daily News thinks that Michkov could arrive early? That coach left him off the Russian National team and that MM may be playing in a lower tier again next year. The bottom line is that the article states that if MM gets frustrated enough with his treatment that he could buy out his own contract and be free to come to the Flyers. Is this true Bill?
- Phillywhiteout


I doubt he’ll arrive early. I’ve read about incidents involving Wild prospects and their Russian coaches. It seems pretty ordinary when their coaches send mixed messages and play head games with them. IMO Torts will just be another garden variety hard ass coach to Michkov. My only concern is that the Flyers will try to change him into something he isn’t and ruin my Michkov watching experience.

PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 10:01 PM ET
You have to give your opponent 30 days to get in shape though.
- MJL


Not get in shape. Train.

In the olden days, gentility and physical challenges co-existed harmoniously. The dialectics were resolved via duels. Think Hamilton, Jackson, many others.

One trained, one had seconds, one wrote legal documents beforehand. It would have been considered an unseemly fracas to just spontaneously break out into fisticuffs/gun fights.

So any time you manage to metamorphose from your bedbug impersonation, and take Torts balls comments to heart: let us know and I can book that ring.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 10:03 PM ET
What are you talking about. The leafs are the model franchise that we should emulate to become perennial contenders. Haha.

They are a mess. This might be the end of shanahan and keefe. They’ll have to change the whole 5 guys making half the cap format but I hope they don’t change a thing.

- Hextall271


I hope they don't either. I would ride out Tavares contract, keep the other 3, and cock and reload.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 10:08 PM ET
Yeah, if he’s sticking it to MM then he’ll just continue to loan him to Sochi for the duration of his contract. Honestly though I’m fine with him not coming over early. They’re going to want to compete as soon as he’s over and they’re nowhere close. Watching these playoffs illustrates how incredibly far they are from competing. Flyers are in need of a #1D and #1C. It takes a #1D 3-4 years to develop. So if the Flyers somehow draft that guy this summer, it would align with Michkov coming over.
- Schmojo


Just think how difficult that is. Once MM comes, you will be locked in a perpetual playoff team status. so picking low. They will likely have multiple long term contracts already: Sanheim, Couts, Tippet, likely TK, probably Farabee. So, lots of $ committed.

Other than luck, I don't really see the feasible way to getting that 1c/1d.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 29 @ 10:15 PM ET
I hope they don't either. I would ride out Tavares contract, keep the other 3, and cock and reload.
- PT21


Reload with what? There's no way they are going to bottom out to get assets while the 3 are on the roster and nothing else is worth much of anything to acquire the assets they need.

The issues with these teams that land the golden ticket of high pick/star players is they try to collect more like pokemons. When gifted with a talented player it should make the job easier. If the team is collecting valuable assets of the same type they need to balance the team using their strength. Toronto, Edmonton, Buffalo are just a few that didn't understand that.

Tampa got a #1C star with Stamkos, Got their #1D with Hedman then got their star goaltender with Vasi. Then they hit homers with 2nd round Kuch and 3rd round Point. Colorado did the same.

No team is going to get 12 50 goal scorers. Build a strong base and the rest is cake.


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 10:28 PM ET
Reload with what? There's no way they are going to bottom out to get assets while the 3 are on the roster and nothing else is worth much of anything to acquire the assets they need.

The issues with these teams that land the golden ticket of high pick/star players is they try to collect more like pokemons. When gifted with a talented player it should make the job easier. If the team is collecting valuable assets of the same type they need to balance the team using their strength. Toronto, Edmonton, Buffalo are just a few that didn't understand that.

Tampa got a #1C star with Stamkos, Got their #1D with Hedman then got their star goaltender with Vasi. Then they hit homers with 2nd round Kuch and 3rd round Point. Colorado did the same.

No team is going to get 12 50 goal scorers. Build a strong base and the rest is cake.

- Glak18


With freed up $. I think their problem is more easily solvable than ours. Resign Marner to a more reasonable contract. Find complementary players via signings/draft mostly. Sign that 1D via FA.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 29 @ 10:35 PM ET
With freed up $. I think their problem is more easily solvable than ours. Resign Marner to a more reasonable contract. Find complementary players via signings/draft mostly. Sign that 1D via FA.

- PT21
Resign Marner to a more reasonable contract? What does that even mean? He makes 11 MIL a year now and he isn't gonna take a smaller contract. The Laffs have 40 million in cap space on 4 friggin players. I know this is the piss on the Flyers Network, but I disagree that their (Laffs) situation is more easily fixable. They are going to have to trade one of their big pieces and go from there. Word out of TO is Marner is the one most likely to go.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 29 @ 11:15 PM ET
Resign Marner to a more reasonable contract? What does that even mean? He makes 11 MIL a year now and he isn't gonna take a smaller contract. The Laffs have 40 million in cap space on 4 friggin players. I know this is the piss on the Flyers Network, but I disagree that their (Laffs) situation is more easily fixable. They are going to have to trade one of their big pieces and go from there. Word out of TO is Marner is the one most likely to go.
- Phillywhiteout


Then let him go. My point was that without him and JT, Leafs have the 7th most cap space for 25-26. And they still have a 1c and a very very good winger signed, both young.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Apr 29 @ 11:18 PM ET
I doubt the Flyers will find that player in this years draft, especially #1C...unless they somehow trade up to get the #1 pick.

What the Flyers need is a true #1 center, those players do not take 4 years to develop. Actually most have some sort of impact in the NHL by their D+2, where the elite normally make an impact the year after drafted.

So don't ever expect a player to become a superstar and flourish at 23-24, they may become good players, but not what the Flyers need.

- Glak18


#1 Defensemen take 3-4 years. Centers develop much quicker. But look at all the #1 defenseman in the league, all took 3-4 years. Even Makar, who had probably the most immediate impact was 3 years after he was drafted.

I don’t think they’ll get either one at pick 12. If they’re able to move up into the top 8 or so they might get a defenseman that could become a #1. Next year’s draft is much deeper for centers so would rather they draft a defenseman this summer and get the C next summer.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Apr 29 @ 11:24 PM ET
Just think how difficult that is. Once MM comes, you will be locked in a perpetual playoff team status. so picking low. They will likely have multiple long term contracts already: Sanheim, Couts, Tippet, likely TK, probably Farabee. So, lots of $ committed.

Other than luck, I don't really see the feasible way to getting that 1c/1d.

- PT21


Yeah, you don’t commit to TK and trade him. Also move on from Sanheim and Farabee. You move them in an effort to move up in the draft this year. If you can accomplish a move up then you have a shot at finding one of those this summer. Then, next year you suck and hopefully have another high pick and find the other one. That’s really the only way it’s going to happen.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 29 @ 11:35 PM ET
Yeah, you don’t commit to TK and trade him. Also move on from Sanheim and Farabee. You move them in an effort to move up in the draft this year. If you can accomplish a move up then you have a shot at finding one of those this summer. Then, next year you suck and hopefully have another high pick and find the other one. That’s really the only way it’s going to happen.
- Schmojo
You really think anyone wants Sanheim with that contract? The Flyers are only trading TK if they get a king's ransom and that most likely ain't gonna happen. Farabee could be traded, but that's the only thing I see as feasible in your wants.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 30 @ 6:19 AM ET
You really think anyone wants Sanheim with that contract? The Flyers are only trading TK if they get a king's ransom and that most likely ain't gonna happen. Farabee could be traded, but that's the only thing I see as feasible in your wants.
- Phillywhiteout

Booo! you’re probably right but I hate everything written here for the long term success of this club.

In the news, anyone have thoughts on Coots changing agents?

Good/bad/meaningless?

https://phillyhockeynow.c...prise-change-pat-brisson/
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Apr 30 @ 6:39 AM ET
Booo! you’re probably right but I hate everything written here for the long term success of this club.

In the news, anyone have thoughts on Coots changing agents?

Good/bad/meaningless?

https://phillyhockeynow.c...prise-change-pat-brisson/

- coffee junkie

Meaningless..with 6 yrs at 7.75M left with bad knee and back coming off a yr where he was benched and moved to the 4th line that contract is virtually untradeable. Flyers would have to retain over 2M+ a yr to move him and get little to nothing in return.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 7:01 AM ET
Not get in shape. Train.

In the olden days, gentility and physical challenges co-existed harmoniously. The dialectics were resolved via duels. Think Hamilton, Jackson, many others.

One trained, one had seconds, one wrote legal documents beforehand. It would have been considered an unseemly fracas to just spontaneously break out into fisticuffs/gun fights.

So any time you manage to metamorphose from your bedbug impersonation, and take Torts balls comments to heart: let us know and I can book that ring.

- PT21


Ah, being judged and challenged by PT21. That's the holy grail. That's how you know you've got him. Yet you call others "losers". The difference between you and I is that I don't hold any animosity to you and wish you no I'll will. I much prefer a verbal confrontation from which I hold far too many victories already to mention.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 7:05 AM ET
With freed up $. I think their problem is more easily solvable than ours. Resign Marner to a more reasonable contract. Find complementary players via signings/draft mostly. Sign that 1D via FA.

- PT21


Unless Marner's play falls off a ledge, his salary goes up, not down. Their cap spending was at 97M this season.
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