Hoping that game turns out to be a wake up call especially after what I was told this morning! I’ve seized multiple times but they must have collected the info they wanted because they’re starting to build me back up, I may be out of here in a couple days to watch a game like a normal guy

And by normal I mean have a beer in my hand, that’s all I need
- Dozzer

No beer!

Unless the doctor specifically says okay, no drinking.

Pulling for you to make it home before next game.

Marner is registered with 1 - ONE - giveaway in this series. https://www.nhl.com/stats...eaways&page=0&pageSize=50


Conclusion: 99% in here are clearly blind!
- 21peter

The 3 blind mice must be keeping track. He had 2 in one shift last game. Leafs are (frank)ed.

One name they should target is Noah Dobson of the Islanders. Great offensive numbers, 6' 3", right handed shot, 24 years old. It would probably take Marner and Liljegren to get him. Since Marner and Liljegren, I think where drafted by Lou, they know them. Islanders badly need help up front and this trade makes sense. Leafs might need to hold half of Marner's salary for this last season to make it work. Dobson's cap hit is $4M. Leafs might also want to expand that trade to see if they can get Sorokin as well. He fell out of favour with Roy, so they might have a knee jerk reaction to move on from him.
- PrinceLH

well sure if Dobson were available, Just assumed he wasnt.

Pietrangelo maybe 8 years ago.

Dobson?

I heard someone say Marner for Keller... I don't think the Leafs do that.
- Aetherial

yeah, I agree Pietrangelo is just too old now. but the Leafs need to do something with the window they have

Leafs are a really good regular season team.

Against Boston, I am missing how folks are seeing Marner as the primary problem.

I think they might be seeing what they are looking for and expecting to see.

Does Marner get pushed out merely because folks want a huge trade this summer?

I can't think of a viable trade where another team would do "the deal" and it makes the Leafs a better team. One exception, I did like the proposal where the Leafs try to duplicate the PLD Winnipeg/LA deal and get multiple 2nd and 3rd line players. But those kind of deals almost always flop.

There is a need for a few guys to step up and caution against doing a knee jerk Marner deal.
- spatso

meh...times up. honestly who cares at this point.
Trade Marner.


I saw this, and its wild. on the PP where youd expect Marner to excel.
why does he suck so bad in the playoffs?

Leafs PP Goals/60 career regular season vs playoffs.

Marner Reg Season: 1.53
Marner Playoffs: 0.34
Drops 78%.

Matthews Reg Season: 3.42
Matthews Playoffs: 1.67
Drops 51%.

Nylander Reg Season: 2.28
Nylander Playoffs: 2.35
Rises 3%.

Glad Dozzer is heading home. Get better man, and I hope they figure out WTF is going on up there in that noggin of your's.

Leafs do me two solids, please :

1) Beat Boston (destroying Marchand is a bonus but not mandatory)

2) Beat Florida (for killing my southern Blue and White team)

Notice - I still believe in the Leafs more than I do the Bolts at this point.

Lots of chatter about Stamkos leaving. Personally, I think he stays for another contract. But, let's say he hits the UFA market. How interested would TO be if he signed at a discount? Or, if the choice was let Tavares go and take Stamkos, would the Leafs be interested in that?

Tavares and Stamkos are similar in some ways. Both are getting older and slower. Both are centers that are probably best suited to play wing at this stage in their careers. However, Stamkos brings more offense and is solid at the dot (when needed). Stamkos also has more grit.

Or, maybe keep both and let Marner/Nylander go?

Either way, I think somebody on the Leafs core 4 is gone next season, unless the Leafs beat Boston and go deep.

He's still VGK's 1D and they'll likely go deep again, so I don't see them making that move at all.

Plus he's 34, he will slow down and when he does, it'll be fugly (like Brodie dropping off a cliff).
- gravyface

yes, I know. Vegas is just robotic and ruthless in there team construction. so they they can turn AP into Hanifin (younger) and UFA Marchessault in to Marner (younger) while keeping the contender train rolling, then they make moves

I agree that Marner has not looked himself... but I find it incredible that the rest of the team has been given a free pass.
- Aetherial

Leafs fans gotta find someone to blame.
Matthews, morgan and jt have all not played well.
Matthews has two goals in the past 10 playoffs games. Not good enough at all.

Its probably in marmers best interest to be traded, most leafs players don't find success until they have left Toronto.

yeah, I agree Pietrangelo is just too old now. but the Leafs need to do something with the window they have
- senstroll

Marner for theodore and Hertl.

But seriously, the leafs will run it back with a new coacbing staff. Keefe should have been fired years ago.

Leafs fans gotta find someone to blame.
Matthews, morgan and jt have all not played well.
Matthews has two goals in the past 10 playoffs games. Not good enough at all.

Its probably in marmers best interest to be traded, most leafs players don't find success until they have left Toronto.
- Fakepartofme

Well Matthews carried the Leafs to their only win so far, and then he got sick with something that looks quite problematic.

Nylander has concussions/headaches.

Tavares is just slowing down, fast (lol).

Marner is the only one without an excuse, I guess that's why he's getting most of the bashing.

Leafs fans gotta find someone to blame.
Matthews, morgan and jt have all not played well.
Matthews has two goals in the past 10 playoffs games. Not good enough at all.

Its probably in marmers best interest to be traded, most leafs players don't find success until they have left Toronto.
- Fakepartofme

does he not look like a baby deer out there..easily knocked off the puck, falls down if hes touched. avoids contact. just shrinks when the games get tough.

Im done with watching that personally.

Marner is the one that makes sense if they are actually going to try a different roster construction.

Tavares is old and has 1 year left, Willy just signed a big contract. AM is untouchable. so whos left

Well Matthews carried the Leafs to their only win so far, and then he got sick with something that looks quite problematic.

Nylander has concussions/headaches.

Tavares is just slowing down, fast (lol).

Marner is the only one without an excuse, I guess that's why he's getting most of the bashing.
- Scabeh

also..WN is out and possibly not 100%.. AM now is not 100% ...hey we need someone to step up and earn the 11 mill... maybe Marner?

Leafs fans gotta find someone to blame.
Matthews, morgan and jt have all not played well.
Matthews has two goals in the past 10 playoffs games. Not good enough at all.

Its probably in marmers best interest to be traded, most leafs players don't find success until they have left Toronto.
- Fakepartofme

It's the soft play of Marner that I think irks most when he isn't producing. You see Matthews, Morgan and even Willy taking the body or taking a hit to make a play but you are right in that all of them have underperformed horribly so far minus Matthews in the one game they won.

Marner's soft play this playoff has hit a new level - where is the Marner who could fight through a check or block a shot? Him not doing these things can't be due to any lingering ankle issues IMO and it's really problematic.

Not sure what the mystery illness(s) are with Matthews and Willy but I'll give Willy a bit of a pass on not looking like himself last game due to missing 3 games but he still was far more physically engaged in the game than Marner.

Side note - that stat saying Marner has only one give away is a homer stat big time - I watched him give it away twice on one play last game. lol

Still cheering & praying but not feeling super confident that l the Leafs they can string 3 solid games in a row together AND that even if they do that they can beat Boston 3 times with Swayman between the pipes.

At this point just go balls out and leave it all out on the ice is all I ask for. Yes if they lose the series they will still get ripped by the media and places like here for the terrible game 4 effort but end of the day they were the underdog going in and are now the ultimate underdog.

If they lose at least we will see some substantial change right or will they just run it back next season knowing they are screwed cap wise even more than this year?

No beer!

Unless the doctor specifically says okay, no drinking.

Pulling for you to make it home before next game.
- spatso

My neurologist knows alcohol isn’t my issue and has told me. I’m not a beer slammer by any means, more of a sip slowly and have a tall boy over about 75-90mins.

I seize routinely while in the hospital once they lower my meds.

It’s day 12 now… all I bloody well want is to make nachos and have a couple beers while watching a hockey game (I know it sounds simple but you guys know that I am lol)

also.. Keefes extension hasnt started yet

Leafs are a really good regular season team.

Against Boston, I am missing how folks are seeing Marner as the primary problem.

I think they might be seeing what they are looking for and expecting to see.

Does Marner get pushed out merely because folks want a huge trade this summer?

I can't think of a viable trade where another team would do "the deal" and it makes the Leafs a better team. One exception, I did like the proposal where the Leafs try to duplicate the PLD Winnipeg/LA deal and get multiple 2nd and 3rd line players. But those kind of deals almost always flop.

There is a need for a few guys to step up and caution against doing a knee jerk Marner deal.
- spatso

If your media attention is focused on HockeyBuzz then you'd probably get the impression that MM is getting singled out but in reality the criticism is a little more balanced. Tavares, Rielly, Marner, Matthews all getting torched pretty good.

To whom much is given much is expected so the big $$ boys are always going to get the most criticism. You want to nickel and dime mngmnt at the cost of better teammates then you better get it done or face the heat.

Leafs fans gotta find someone to blame.
Matthews, morgan and jt have all not played well.
Matthews has two goals in the past 10 playoffs games. Not good enough at all.

Its probably in marmers best interest to be traded, most leafs players don't find success until they have left Toronto.
- Fakepartofme

This is a right perspective.

Folks are far too quick to think just moving Marner is a win for the Leafs.

Not enough thought given to the idea that moving Marner (eg., to Boston or Tampa or Florida or any other team would makes Marner and the other team the big winners.

I follow two teams, the Sens and the Leafs. I think of a trade between those two teams and Marner playing on a line with a physical, goal scoring player like Tkachuk. I think the Leafs would regret sending Marner to Ottawa.

Ottawa will trade either Chychrun or Chabot this summer. They also have 2 first round draft picks and multiple young players in their system. They will do a big deal. But, I do not see Leafs and Sens doing a deal with one another.

My neurologist knows alcohol isn’t my issue and has told me. I’m not a beer slammer by any means, more of a sip slowly and have a tall boy over about 75-90mins.

I seize routinely while in the hospital once they lower my meds.

It’s day 12 now… all I bloody well want is to make nachos and have a couple beers while watching a hockey game (I know it sounds simple but you guys know that I am lol)
- Dozzer

I am in recovery (many years) and often think everyone is addicted. I hope you get to enjoy a beer for your next game.

If your media attention is focused on HockeyBuzz then you'd probably get the impression that MM is getting singled out but in reality the criticism is a little more balanced. Tavares, Rielly, Marner, Matthews all getting torched pretty good.

To whom much is given much is expected so the big $$ boys are always going to get the most criticism. You want to nickel and dime mngmnt at the cost of better teammates then you better get it done or face the heat.
- The Law

My media attention is certainly not focused on this place and what I've seen is Marner being ripped by more media that anyone now that Willy is back but it is what it is they are all to blame but some perhaps more than others.

You are bang on though - they get paid the big bucks they need to earn it come playoff time or expect to face the ire of a fanbase that showed patience for long stretches (like the last one was nearly what a decade?) of having a total garbage team and now expects a winner. Those aren't unfair expectations.

They are not winning Game 5.
- mjones242

If they win game 5 they’ll win game 6. Then like senstroll said they will be a no show in game 7

This is a right perspective.

Folks are far too quick to think just moving Marner is a win for the Leafs.

Not enough thought given to the idea that moving Marner (eg., to Boston or Tampa or Florida or any other team would makes Marner and the other team the big winners.

I follow two teams, the Sens and the Leafs. I think of a trade between those two teams and Marner playing on a line with a physical, goal scoring player like Tkachuk. I think the Leafs would regret sending Marner to Ottawa.

Ottawa will trade either Chychrun or Chabot this summer. They also have 2 first round draft picks and multiple young players in their system. They will do a big deal. But, I do not see Leafs and Sens doing a deal with one another.
- spatso

We know that the status quo is not a way to win.

Marner is due a new contract soon. we know how that is going to go. I dont see how you pay him 13 mil. or whatever he wants. 10.9 is too much

also, the only player from Ottawa id want back for Marner is Tkachuk, so dont see that happening.

While leading the core 4 in PPG in the playoffs, some of the Marner hate is misdirected.

Having said that, his east-west Junior moves and shying from any/all contact (even Willy drives the net with regularity), plus his on-ice crybaby antics (he's at sophomore Sidney Crosby peak levels) makes him a huge target with the fans.
- gravyface

This mix doesn't work. Marner's not going to be a Leaf much longer one way or another imo. The cap space alone he takes up is a huge asset in and of itself.

Ok. That was a tough watch.

But we arent finished yet. One game at a time.

Fresh look with Woll in (not blaming it all on Sam) but need a change.

Throw Gio in there, might be very motivated knowing it could be curtains on a great run for him.

Im still in. Lets see what happens before flushing the season.

Well Matthews carried the Leafs to their only win so far, and then he got sick with something that looks quite problematic.

Nylander has concussions/headaches.

Tavares is just slowing down, fast (lol).

Marner is the only one without an excuse, I guess that's why he's getting most of the bashing.
- Scabeh

Marner is coughing up pucks, and giving lazy poke checks on defence. He isn’t challenging what so ever and I have no idea. Bizonette put a highlight package of just game 4 and it was pathetic out there.

everyone (minus 1 at least) wants to run MM outta town. There will be very few places if any that he would be willing to go to. Advantage other team. He's coming off (so far) a horrendous series. Selling way low. Advantage other team. the return if they can move him will have everyone up in arms that Tree got fleeced as he will. Either way this doesnt end well outside of a massive comeback.