Absolutely without a doubt. I’m pretty sure you guys just check twitter and look at your fantasy teams too much during games to actually evaluate players. One guy played with Crosby, one guy didn’t.
- Grinder47

I don't play fantasy and rarely check twitter while I'm watching games.

Don't give a poop who anyone plays with. Harkins had 4 points in 45 games. DOC had 33 in 79.

If Harkin's didn't suck balls, he would have been elevated in the lineup, but he sucks balls so he wasn't.

If the Leafs flame out in Game 5 and Toronto is looking to make some big changes... Dubas should be the first on the phone to call and ask about Marner. Take a page out of Rutherford's book and call for the Toronto media scapegoat like they did with Kessel in 2015.

Now, their ages are similar for Kessel in 2015 vs Marner in 2024, but there are a lot of other differences. Kessel ended up being traded for 2 good prospects (Harrington and Kapanen), a 1st round pick, 3rd pick, and Nick Spaling for Kessel and a 2nd.

Marner has been the better player with better stats, but he also has a full NMC vs Kessel's limited NTC. Plus, Marner only has 1 year left versus Kessel was just signed to a new contract the year before.

Heck, you could look at the Guentzel trade for reference instead of Kessel. My point is that the price shouldnt be as high as we expect. Plus, as I said with Jake, trade for him, give him a new contract, and tell him he could either stay for the rebuild/retool or we'll trade you to help us and help you play for a contender.

The issue is would Marner want to come here and what other moves would the Penguins have to make money wise to make it work.

Right. Wrong staff lol.

How 'bout those rumors of Sully and NJ? Probably shouldn't get my hopes up.
- madmike71

https://thehockeynews.com...joining-new-jersey-devils

That was bonkers!
Credit to Van for not giving up. Shameful collapse for Nsh.

2:49
- out_of_market

Vancouver isn't many games with that guy in there. Silovs is 2-0 in games I've watched, he hasn't looked good in either. Saros appears to be a regular season goaltender.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-coach-considering-joining-new-jersey-devils
- pens4life-66

So a hit piece on Dubas. Shocking to see that from a Toronto media hack.

I don't play fantasy and rarely check twitter while I'm watching games.

Don't give a poop who anyone plays with. Harkins had 4 points in 45 games. DOC had 33 in 79.

If Harkin's didn't suck balls, he would have been elevated in the lineup, but he sucks balls so he wasn't.
- j.boyd919

I guess you’re just going to have to accept being wrong then. I really don’t think they will offer a contract to Harkins unless it’s a 2 way. I’ll give DOC credit for finally putting up some points given every opportunity to do so but Harkins would be much more suitable for the role DOC has been gifted.

Getting back to internet service this morning first thing I see is Penguins to fire assistant and head coach. Only to find out it’s (frank)ing the American League. What a let down.

I guess you’re just going to have to accept being wrong then. I really don’t think they will offer a contract to Harkins unless it’s a 2 way. I’ll give DOC credit for finally putting up some points given every opportunity to do so but Harkins would be much more suitable for the role DOC has been gifted.
- Grinder47

What are you basing this on? DOC had some production in bottom 6, Harkins not so much. I like Harkins battle level but it doesn't surpass DOC's level of compete. At least DOC has somewhat of a pulse for offence. Harkins is pretty vanilla man. He's a hard working 4th liner. Lots of those around.

Thats why as a Rangers fan I wanted mothing to do with Pens in round 1 and glad they got Caps. Ovie looked totally disinterested and is obviously playing only to catch Gretzkys record. He was totally invisible, no shots, no hits no effort. At this stage of his career he is a below average forward while Crosby is still elite. Never would have seen that kind of effort that Ovie put in from Crosby. I know Ovie played more physically than Crosby during his career and maybe that has taken its toll but geez was he awful.

Thats why as a Rangers fan I wanted mothing to do with Pens in round 1 and glad they got Caps. Ovie looked totally disinterested and is obviously playing only to catch Gretzkys record. He was totally invisible, no shots, no hits no effort. At this stage of his career he is a below average forward while Crosby is still elite. Never would have seen that kind of effort that Ovie put in from Crosby. I know Ovie played more physically than Crosby during his career and maybe that has taken its toll but geez was he awful.
- hfc355

I've been wondering if Ovie is dinged up or something. Just nothing there right now. Oshie looks like he needs a walker when he's on the ice. We have old guys too, but they never looked this bad.

Rangers would have pulled it out in 6 or 7, but yeah, the Pens would have been a good matchup.

Thats why as a Rangers fan I wanted mothing to do with Pens in round 1 and glad they got Caps. Ovie looked totally disinterested and is obviously playing only to catch Gretzkys record. He was totally invisible, no shots, no hits no effort. At this stage of his career he is a below average forward while Crosby is still elite. Never would have seen that kind of effort that Ovie put in from Crosby. I know Ovie played more physically than Crosby during his career and maybe that has taken its toll but geez was he awful.
- hfc355

I really think the Pens would have taken at least a game or two...at least.

Caps were the worst team to ever make the playoffs in the cap era... -37 goal differential headed into the playoffs is insane.

Thats why as a Rangers fan I wanted mothing to do with Pens in round 1 and glad they got Caps. Ovie looked totally disinterested and is obviously playing only to catch Gretzkys record. He was totally invisible, no shots, no hits no effort. At this stage of his career he is a below average forward while Crosby is still elite. Never would have seen that kind of effort that Ovie put in from Crosby. I know Ovie played more physically than Crosby during his career and maybe that has taken its toll but geez was he awful.
- hfc355

Ovie is almost 2 full years older than Sid too, but yeah I think he just cares about the record at this point. The Caps are the worst team to make the playoffs in recent memory.

I really think the Pens would have taken at least a game or two...at least.

Caps were the worst team to ever make the playoffs in the cap era... -37 goal differential headed into the playoffs is insane.
- MattStrat

No real surprise that the Caps got swept. They were a horrible team that somehow snuck into the post season. Gotta believe the Pens would’ve been more competitive and stretched that series to 5 or 6 gms though.

I guess you’re just going to have to accept being wrong then. I really don’t think they will offer a contract to Harkins unless it’s a 2 way. I’ll give DOC credit for finally putting up some points given every opportunity to do so but Harkins would be much more suitable for the role DOC has been gifted.
- Grinder47

Nah, Harkins is trash.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-coach-considering-joining-new-jersey-devils
- pens4life-66

Lol, I like how he writes an article about it, then throws in at the end that that Kypreos made up stuff about Jake's contract talks a few months ago. Nice clickbait.

Lol, I like how he writes an article about it, then throws in at the end that that Kypreos made up stuff about Jake's contract talks a few months ago. Nice clickbait.
- Tojo.

Looking like Dubas will not only be the GM responsible for the Leafs best ever regular seasons in history but also responsible for something they only did once in the last 20 years.....making it out of 1st round.

Yes, that series isn't over yet....but ....winning 3 straight against the B's is a tall order, especially when Swayman is a Leaf destroyer haha his stats vs the Leafs this season are insane. Not impossible to win 3 straight against them... but highly improbable haha.

What are you basing this on? DOC had some production in bottom 6, Harkins not so much. I like Harkins battle level but it doesn't surpass DOC's level of compete. At least DOC has somewhat of a pulse for offence. Harkins is pretty vanilla man. He's a hard working 4th liner. Lots of those around.
- MattStrat

Watching both players play hockey without fan boy goggles on.

I get it. Proper player evaluation is tough when you’re used to just liking players everyone tells you to like. You have to be able to see the play the player wants to make, watch them away from the puck how they read and react to plays. Not everyone can do it, but it’s what I enjoy. Arguing over contracts and pretending to be GM’s is most of your guys favorite thing. I’m in it for the hockey.

Watching both players play hockey without fan boy goggles on.
- Grinder47

I dont really care much for DOC. I am watching them both and without any kind of glasses haha. It seems like DOC had a bad game, or made some soft plays in a game, a while back that you just never ever got over haha because if you're watching both of these guys play every game I just don't see how anyone could think that Harkins is THAT superior to DOC...not to the point you make it

I get it. Proper player evaluation is tough when you’re used to just liking players everyone tells you to like. You have to be able to see the play the player wants to make, watch them away from the puck how they read and react to plays. Not everyone can do it, but it’s what I enjoy. Arguing over contracts and pretending to be GM’s is most of your guys favorite thing. I’m in it for the hockey.
- Grinder47

This is funny because I'm always picking guys nobody likes and eventually they win people over.

Stuck with Pettersson and Zucker when everyone wanted add picks as sweeteners to trade them

Been calling for DOC to get more ice time all of 22-23.

Said to draft Yager and don't recall many of any others did.

Been behind POJ for years and suddenly everyone seems fine with him in the top 4 after years of wanting to dump him.

Oh yeah Jake Guentzel will be better than Daniel Sprong

I'm sure I've missed on a few and let's see where Poulin is in a couple years, but I feel just fine about my ability to go out on a limb and evaluate young players and what to look for.

I dont really care much for DOC. I am watching them both and without any kind of glasses haha. It seems like DOC had a bad game, or made some soft plays in a game, a while back that you just never ever got over haha because if you're watching both of these guys play every game I just don't see how anyone could think that Harkins is THAT superior to DOC...not to the point you make it
- MattStrat

Harkins is 27 years old and probably not an NHL player on about half the teams in the league.

This is funny because I'm always picking guys nobody likes and eventually they win people over.

Stuck with Pettersson and Zucker when everyone wanted add picks as sweeteners to trade them

Been calling for DOC to get more ice time all of 22-23.

Said to draft Yager and don't recall many of any others did.

Been behind POJ for years and suddenly everyone seems fine with him in the top 4 after years of wanting to dump him.

Oh yeah Jake Guentzel will be better than Daniel Sprong

I'm sure I've missed on a few and let's see where Poulin is in a couple years, but I feel just fine about my ability to go out on a limb and evaluate young players and what to look for.
- Tojo.

Literally I don’t even remember you ever posting anything until this year. But great on you man. I’m happy for you.

Harkins is 27 years old and probably not an NHL player on about half the teams in the league.
- BINGO!

The thing is I’m not even advocating for DOC or Harkins to get a lot of playing time. DOC sucks and doesn’t try very hard, king of the reach and stick check. He’s decently fast in a straight line but as soon as he stops it’s over. No speed in close quarters. Harkins tries his balls off, has hands, makes some good sneaky passes, just as fast in a straight line, removes the man from the puck instead of always doing the reach the stick wussy move and can stop and start in the corners and stay with the guy, or create separation if he gets the puck. Between the two players Harkins is better overall. All I’m saying.

Literally I don’t even remember you ever posting anything until this year. But great on you man. I’m happy for you.
- Grinder47

Explains why you seem to think everyone else has the same opinions.