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landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 23 @ 8:42 AM ET
I can never cheer for the Leafs. Ever. Rather have a vasectomy with a scapel and no anesthetics.
- TheFreak


Spoken like someone from western Canada.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 23 @ 8:43 AM ET
That seems like a high AAV to me
- corduroy



My first thought for sure….I thought maybe…3.8 over two years….1.9AAV.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 23 @ 8:44 AM ET
Ivan Fedotov agrees to 2 year extension with a $3.25 mil AAV. Kind of steep don't you think?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 23 @ 8:45 AM ET
Wait a second, recently you labeled Konecny the face of the franchise. A player that is that player is not worthy of a big contract in your eyes? That's a contradiction.
- MJL

Right now he is and I would love to keep him, but at the right price.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 23 @ 8:54 AM ET
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Ivan Fedotov agrees to 2 year extension with the @NHLFlyers. $3.25 mil AAV.

- Flyers_01


That seems like a lot of money.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 8:54 AM ET
Tortorella uses healthy scratches to an extreme. He also does it with pettiness. Tortorella does that because of his limited tools as a coach. He does not handle young players well. He uses a familiar and repeated pattern with young players. When they inevitable inconsistencies with young players happen. He loses patience quickly. Cuts their ice time, demotes them in the lineup. Instead of coaching them through it, using positive reinforcement and continuing to give them opportunities. He takes away opportunity and degrades their confidence further. To the point where the player just degrades further. It's poor old school tactics and many in the Flyers fan base buy that nonsense. It also ties in with Tortorella's preference for certain types of players. A perfect example is the last must win game of the season. Where after basically one period, Tortorella benches Frost and Brink and plays Poehling 19 minutes as his #1 center. I'm shocked that they lost and only scored one goal. Sometimes it can be a necessary approach but it's not sometimes with Tortorella. It's his only approach. That's why he is a poor player development coach. I pray that Tortorella is not the coach when Mitchkov gets here.
- MJL

right back it cliff...you are a machine
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Apr 23 @ 8:56 AM ET
Agreed! I really hate the Laffs for some reason! I just love watching them fail. I think it's their obnoxious fan base that does it to me, but not sure.
- Phillywhiteout



100%.

They over value every single player. If Frost was a Leaf..he would be on a Hall of Fame career path according to their faithful.

I like some of their players, and feel bad for a talent like Matthews for the repeated playoff failures, but nothing,(besides Flyers success) makes me happier than a Leaf loss in the hockey world.

Followed closely by the Canucks and Penguins failing.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Apr 23 @ 8:56 AM ET
Spoken like someone from western Canada.
- landros 2


Spoken on behalf of most of Canada!!!!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 8:59 AM ET
Tortorella uses healthy scratches to an extreme. He also does it with pettiness. Tortorella does that because of his limited tools as a coach. He does not handle young players well. He uses a familiar and repeated pattern with young players. When they inevitable inconsistencies with young players happen. He loses patience quickly. Cuts their ice time, demotes them in the lineup. Instead of coaching them through it, using positive reinforcement and continuing to give them opportunities. He takes away opportunity and degrades their confidence further. To the point where the player just degrades further. It's poor old school tactics and many in the Flyers fan base buy that nonsense. It also ties in with Tortorella's preference for certain types of players. A perfect example is the last must win game of the season. Where after basically one period, Tortorella benches Frost and Brink and plays Poehling 19 minutes as his #1 center. I'm shocked that they lost and only scored one goal. Sometimes it can be a necessary approach but it's not sometimes with Tortorella. It's his only approach. That's why he is a poor player development coach. I pray that Tortorella is not the coach when Mitchkov gets here.
- MJL

just curious is poehlig a better nhl player than brink as of 4/23/24?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 23 @ 9:00 AM ET
Ivan Fedotov agrees to 2 year extension with a $3.25 mil AAV. Kind of steep don't you think?
- jd250


I'll reserve judgment until the guy has had a full camp and some preseason games under him.

The AAV is a direct result of his UFA status and the Flyers' desperation in net.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 23 @ 9:01 AM ET
wtf. 3.25?!?! What is this based on? Someone please tell me?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
wtf. 3.25?!?! What is this based on? Someone please tell me?
- Just5


Probably that 2nd period of the Islanders game. Torts felt it move.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
I'll reserve judgment until the guy has had a full camp and some preseason games under him.

The AAV is a direct result of his UFA status and the Flyers' desperation in net.

- Tomahawk


The only thing that this is good for is sponging up cap space to not make a further larger mistake
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM ET
wtf. 3.25?!?! What is this based on? Someone please tell me?
- Just5


Well, it is lower than his GAA, so there's that?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM ET
Post #1 of the day of you replying directly to me. When are you going to admit that you were full of crap when you posted that you don't read most of my posts?

You're a neanderthal with zero intelligence. Opportunity needs to be given consistently. Especially with a rebuilding team. Guys like you talk about how important the experience of big games is for young players and then accept when a young player is arbitrarily benched behind some outdated mantra such as ice time needs to be earned.

- MJL

you are so boring no wonder your wife left you. do you hold yourself accountable or blame her?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM ET
Post#2 today of you replying to me.

Admit that you not only read every post I make but that you hang on every word I post.

- MJL

get a hotel room
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
Wait a second, recently you labeled Konecny the face of the franchise. A player that is that player is not worthy of a big contract in your eyes? That's a contradiction.
- MJL

or maybe he changed his mind cliff..
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
wtf. 3.25?!?! What is this based on? Someone please tell me?
- Just5


getting him here from Russia
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM ET
#5

You re not able to realize that is has been earned and he and Brink both deserved the opportunity in that game. I hope Frost is traded so he can get away from Tortorella and his bias. Frost is not a soft player.

- MJL

yet how many post do yo respond back to him cliff? should he start numbering them as well...you are such a turd.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM ET
Wait a second, recently you labeled Konecny the face of the franchise. A player that is that player is not worthy of a big contract in your eyes? That's a contradiction.
- MJL

You and Landros2 responded to my post at roughly the same time. Your response is not about hockey, it's about picking an argument, while Landros2 responded intelligently and clearly wanted to discuss the situation. You should rethink your strategy.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM ET
wtf. 3.25?!?! What is this based on? Someone please tell me?
- Just5

shocked at the number figured 2 million per.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM ET
They are in no position if they are actually serious about rebuilding, to re-sign TK. Make no mistake he’s our best player. From the start it’s been about what “actions” DB does….not what he says.
I think DBs actual plan will come into focus over the next few months.

- landros 2

That's right, the Flyers cannot fall in love with their own players, let's see if that is what happens. And again, I love TK, but I highlighted a while ago the most recent 7 or 8 year contracts that have been signed across the league and it's clear TK is somewhere in the middle of these contracts in terms of AAV, that is why my starting point with him is $7.5M AAV. If he wants $9M+ the Flyers need to trade him which would stink but that is what needs to be done.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM ET
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Ivan Fedotov agrees to 2 year extension with the @NHLFlyers. $3.25 mil AAV.

- Flyers_01


At least for me that is going to bring some much higher expectations for him. I don't want to see him being sent down or hear about him trying to adjust to the NA game.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM ET
Spoken on behalf of most of Canada!!!!
- TheFreak

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM ET
That's right, the Flyers cannot fall in love with their own players, let's see if that is what happens. And again, I love TK, but I highlighted a while ago the most recent 7 or 8 year contracts that have been signed across the league and it's clear TK is somewhere in the middle of these contracts in terms of AAV, that is why my starting point with him is $7.5M AAV. If he wants $9M+ the Flyers need to trade him which would stink but that is what needs to be done.
- jd250


I agree to a point. I’m not really worried about the 1.5 $ difference….it’s more the direction, time line and what the actual plan is. So far they all say the right things, except for Jones’s radio quote…but I see a mixed bag of actions that leave me wondering what the plan actually is.
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