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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 22 @ 2:01 PM ET
I don't trust Torts to do any of that. He makes up his mind about a player and that is it.
- MBFlyerfan

True, this is where Briere needs to assert himself. Briere controls the roster.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 22 @ 2:07 PM ET
True, this is where Briere needs to asset himself. Breire controls the roster.
- jd250



We both know Torts will roll 2 lines rather than play someone he doesn't like.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 2:11 PM ET
Brink and Lycksell should be playing bigger roles this year, and maybe the Flyers get a surprise in training camp. Maybe Rizzo shows he is ready for at least a limited role, or you give Laczynski another shot.
- jd250

the assistant gm said no on on the phantoms is ready for next season. 2

ollie and brink already somewhat on the roster. so do they really count as someone to promote? they didn't get a bigger role this season when they were "rebuilding". have a hunch the coach doesn't like brink much aka like allison.

also you really think the flyers will not sign a couple free agent forwards? or make a trade.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 2:12 PM ET
True, this is where Briere needs to asset himself. Breire controls the roster.
- jd250

funny you believe this
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Apr 22 @ 2:13 PM ET
Bill,

I know a lot seem to think the plan is to extend Konecny. I don't believe they said anything at the presser of that being in works or something they plan to do?

Could they maybe look to put him out there and see what a return would be over extending him to a large cap for 8 years?

- J35Bacher

I wonder if Konecny wants too much money and isn’t interested in giving the Flyers a discount. He’d be stupid if he did.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 22 @ 2:24 PM ET
I wonder if Konecny wants too much money and isn’t interested in giving the Flyers a discount. He’d be stupid if he did.
- psuhockey


8 years starting at 9 million AAV is where I believe the negotiation starts. I am MORE sure about the years than the AAV as I think anything less would be a non starter for Konecny. Hopefully the Flyers see what happened, is happening, with Couturier and they take a lesson from it.

As has been said, an 8 year deal will expire when Konecny is 36. He would turn 29 in March of the first year of the deal so he will already be on the latter part of his prime, and heading towards the downside of his career for the majority of the deal. The Flyers simply can't do it on every level.




hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
8 years starting at 9 million AAV is where I believe the negotiation starts. I am MORE sure about the years than the AAV as I think anything less would be a non starter for Konecny. Hopefully the Flyers see what happened, is happening, with Couturier and they take a lesson from it.

As has been said, an 8 year deal will expire when Konecny is 36. He would turn 29 in March of the first year of the deal so he will already be on the latter part of his prime, and heading towards the downside of his career for the majority of the deal. The Flyers simply can't do it on every level.

- MBFlyerfan

they better pray he wants to explore free agency, otherwise they are dumb enough to give him what he wants. he is s true flyer.....
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Apr 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
I had a dream we signed Stamkos and traded for a few other studs. I don't remember who, exactly, but I woke up in a good mood.

It's nice to dream.

#FireTorts
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
We both know Torts will roll 2 lines rather than play someone he doesn't like.
- MBFlyerfan

To his own detriment. If I'm the GM I say this is your team, period. Make it work or I'll find someone else to make it work.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 22 @ 2:46 PM ET
8 years starting at 9 million AAV is where I believe the negotiation starts. I am MORE sure about the years than the AAV as I think anything less would be a non starter for Konecny. Hopefully the Flyers see what happened, is happening, with Couturier and they take a lesson from it.

As has been said, an 8 year deal will expire when Konecny is 36. He would turn 29 in March of the first year of the deal so he will already be on the latter part of his prime, and heading towards the downside of his career for the majority of the deal. The Flyers simply can't do it on every level.

- MBFlyerfan

If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 2:47 PM ET
To his own detriment. If I'm the GM I say this is your team, period. Make it work or I'll find someone else to make it work.
- jd250

the assistant gm doesn't have that authority.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
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Apr 22 @ 2:48 PM ET
If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
- jd250

well your a dope. 8 years. accept it
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 22 @ 2:51 PM ET
If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
- jd250



Is the cap hit 7.5 or 8? It can not be both


You would think a player with the skill to build a team around would be worth more than that

I have farts that are smarter than you

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 22 @ 2:53 PM ET
they better pray he wants to explore free agency, otherwise they are dumb enough to give him what he wants. he is s true flyer.....
- hello it's me 2050



I look at it this way. If he is not traded at the draft or during this off-season, he will be resigned. It would be very dumb for the Flyers to go in to the season with him on an expiring deal. It would just be a distraction. All people would ask and talk about is if you are going to resign your best player. This would go on all season long. And the longer it goes, the more it gets to be a distraction as the deadline approaches.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 2:55 PM ET
I look at it this way. If he is not traded at the draft or during this off-season, he will be resigned. It would be very dumb for the Flyers to go in to the season with him on an expiring deal. It would just be a distraction. All people would ask and talk about is if you are going to resign your best player. This would go on all season long. And the longer it goes, the more it gets to be a distraction as the deadline approaches.
- MBFlyerfan

plus the potential for an injury. this is an incompetent organization so nothing will be surprising.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 22 @ 2:58 PM ET
If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
- jd250


Cap is going up. No way he gets less than $9mil from the Flyers in my opinion.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 22 @ 3:04 PM ET
If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
- jd250


Personally, I think this is way too low. This is TK's chance to cash in on a long term deal. His AAV is going to ne north of 8.5M.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
well your a dope. 8 years. accept it
- hello it's me 2050


Yep.

I wouldn't even entertain it. I would be putting him on the market. Get the best deal you can and move on.

I wonder about Ottawa. Have 2 first rounders. They do have Josh Norris coming back. Could Konecny maybe get you Pinto and the Bos 1st rounder in some package.

I have to think Ottawa wants the playoffs next year after disappointing this year and they have a new owner.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
Personally, I think this is way too low. This is TK's chance to cash in on a long term deal. His AAV is going to ne north of 8.5M.
- Flyfly

but he will take a home town discount...
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 22 @ 3:15 PM ET
but he will take a home town discount...
- hello it's me 2050


I don't think so honestly. He and his agent probably have a number in mind. I think a home discount would work if we were a team like Boston. AKA: Stay w a team that has a chance to win every year.

I think it will max length and probably 9-9.5M per year. IMO, you trade him and move on. But this is the Flyers and they are going to pay him.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 3:16 PM ET
Yep.

I wouldn't even entertain it. I would be putting him on the market. Get the best deal you can and move on.

I wonder about Ottawa. Have 2 first rounders. They do have Josh Norris coming back. Could Konecny maybe get you Pinto and the Bos 1st rounder in some package.

I have to think Ottawa wants the playoffs next year after disappointing this year and they have a new owner.

- J35Bacher

what are the flyers adding? their 2 or 3rd? think they keep pinto.

A tk/laughton package as well is possible as thats what 8 million on the cap? flyers can retina on tk as well (which they should d in any tk deal).

they def want playoffs new owner, new coach, somewhat new gm. they need to make a move?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 22 @ 3:16 PM ET
I don't think so honestly. He and his agent probably have a number in mind. I think a home discount would work if we were a team like Boston. AKA: Stay w a team that has a chance to win every year.

I think it will max length and probably 9-9.5M per year. IMO, you trade him and move on. But this is the Flyers and they are going to pay him.

- Flyfly

of course he wont I was being silly.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 22 @ 3:18 PM ET
If TK wants this, he will have to look for it outside of the Flyers. I say the negotiation starts at 7 years, $7.5M AAV with a cap at $8M AAV.
- jd250


Is this in the real world or your fantasy world?
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 22 @ 3:21 PM ET
of course he wont I was being silly.
- hello it's me 2050



J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 22 @ 3:31 PM ET
what are the flyers adding? their 2 or 3rd? think they keep pinto.

A tk/laughton package as well is possible as thats what 8 million on the cap? flyers can retina on tk as well (which they should d in any tk deal).

they def want playoffs new owner, new coach, somewhat new gm. they need to make a move?

- hello it's me 2050



I think they do too. I was looking at maybe since Norris comes back and Pinto will need new deal coming off the suspension would they entertain it. They run Stutzle, Norris and i think it was Crieg down the middle.

Pinto fits the type of player they should be looking to try and acquire.
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