I have to agree, there is no way this team should have a 12% Power play, but it's clear to me Torts and Briere are blaming the players more than the coaching.
- jd250

If they had Pasta their PP wouldn't be 12%

of course they are no accountability. shows that danny has no balls or guts and is a puppet.
- hello it's me 2050

Thompson should’ve been relieved of his PP duties in December. The coach bears the ultimate responsibility but not once has he accepted that. What he should have at least said in the end of the year presser:

“I bear responsibility and should’ve taken Rocky off the PP and that’s already been done. Too late? Sure. But it’s my fault for staying the course when we had such a boring, idle, and unimaginative PowerPlay”.

Wait, no .. that is not what I said. I said Fletcher and Scott hired Torts, and they hired him to squeeze every last ounce out of their roster to try to get them into the playoffs and salvage their jobs. When Torts was hired, it was never going to be a rebuild. Things obviously happened since then. Fletcher and Scott are out, and the new leadership is in place, and Briere/Torts just the other day once again stated this is a rebuild, that big FAs will not be signed and no young assets will be traded for aging veterans.

Hathaway and Poehling absolutely pushed the Flyers closer to the playoffs. I'm just saying I don't want Briere to bring in any more players, to fill whatever spots need to be filled from within. I would like to see more veterans moved, players like Laughton and Deslauriers and then going into next season you come in with something like this:

Couts, TK, Tippet
Frost, Farabee, Foerster
??,Cates, Hathaway
Lycksell, Brink, Atkinson

Drysdale, Risto
Sanheim, York
Zamula, Seeler
Attard

Ersson, Fedotov

It's not exciting. It's not a great lineup. But this is where this team is right now. $5.2M in dead cap space, another $3.85M in buried money, and really no one ready to come up from the pipeline. Unless more drastic roster reshaping is made which I don't see happening, it's going to be a down season.

I don't eat up what Torts and Briere say, I listen to what they say and look for inconsistencies. So far I haven't seen any from Briere. With Torts, it was clear he was going down with his veterans like Johnson, and in the end that did the Flyers no good.
- jd250

See, this is where trading TK for a high end prospect and picks come into play.

Gotta admit that I'm starting to sour on Torts. I don't want him to have power above coaching, and I'm afraid DB and Jonesy will be pushed over by the bully. I didn't like his last presser of the year at all. He was just very arrogant with the reporters that were asking fair questions and then he praised the Caps for the way they defended. I mean, for a game with that much on the line I thought that game with the Caps was a snoozer. My concerns are growing.
- Phillywhiteout

Just yesterday I posted pretty much the same thing on how the team is set up and who is really running it and you responded with the nonsense of "how do you know, do you work for the team". Now your starting to sour on Tortorella. What happened to him winning the Jack Adams or being a finalist? You're always the last out of the gate.

That first point has always been my issue with hiring Torts. They’d be close to a top 5 pick otherwise. He was hired probably 2-3 years too early.
- Schmojo

There is no right time to hire Tortorella. Worst coach you can have for a rebuilding team and for developing young players. Not capable of taking a team to cup contention. The NHL game has passed him by.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bde-mdvbsM

/*****/

24 minute mark after listening. worth a listen. 

- ex selke benching was the downward spiral Cote believes.

- players not happy. think he said some may ask out but not 100% or maybe I misheard it. 

- worse coach for the flyers for where they are, said torts is a good coach. 


- torts will once again try to squeeze out more points next year. takes further away from acquiring top flight talent. 

- said calling the team soft after the isles game was dumb. 

- coaching has changed torts hasnt in so many words. 

- torts back as owed 8 million. This was already confirmed by "jonesy".

- torts is own worst enemy in how he deals with certain situations. 

- no ability to read the room, can only push the nuclear button option. it is all he knows. 

- argument torts coached the team right out of the playoffs. 

-  torts has won over this market. tons of supporters. other host said he is smart with what he says to win peeps over. 
- hello it's me 2050

Pretty much verbatim on what the majority of us have been saying in here. Even down to what he says about the fanbase in general loving Torts.

Briere seems happy with the coaching staff based on his comments. If players don't like it they will be shown the door. No player on this team is good enough to have any clout in regards to the coach.
- jd250

LOL, it's actually the opposite. This coach isn't good enough to choose over players. It's bad enough that Tortorella will be back. That Thompson is not going to be relieved of duties says it all. This organization is dysfunctional and diseased.

Just for S&Gs go over and read the Toronto blog. It’s like looking in a twisted mirror of this site but with way more letdown. 😂🤣

Wait, no .. that is not what I said. I said Fletcher and Scott hired Torts, and they hired him to squeeze every last ounce out of their roster to try to get them into the playoffs and salvage their jobs. When Torts was hired, it was never going to be a rebuild. Things obviously happened since then. Fletcher and Scott are out, and the new leadership is in place, and Briere/Torts just the other day once again stated this is a rebuild, that big FAs will not be signed and no young assets will be traded for aging veterans.

Hathaway and Poehling absolutely pushed the Flyers closer to the playoffs. I'm just saying I don't want Briere to bring in any more players, to fill whatever spots need to be filled from within. I would like to see more veterans moved, players like Laughton and Deslauriers and then going into next season you come in with something like this:

Couts, TK, Tippet
Frost, Farabee, Foerster
??,Cates, Hathaway
Lycksell, Brink, Atkinson

Drysdale, Risto
Sanheim, York
Zamula, Seeler
Attard

Ersson, Fedotov

It's not exciting. It's not a great lineup. But this is where this team is right now. $5.2M in dead cap space, another $3.85M in buried money, and really no one ready to come up from the pipeline. Unless more drastic roster reshaping is made which I don't see happening, it's going to be a down season.

I don't eat up what Torts and Briere say, I listen to what they say and look for inconsistencies. So far I haven't seen any from Briere. With Torts, it was clear he was going down with his veterans like Johnson, and in the end that did the Flyers no good.
- jd250

Those players didn't push the Flyers to the playoffs. LOL. When Hathaway was on the ice, the Flyers scored 42.86% of the goals. With Poehling, it was 43.24%. How did Poehling push the team in a must win game against the Caps playing 19 minutes?

Yes, you do eat up what they say. Your entire opinion is formed by what you read and what they say. If they say something different tommorrow. So will you.

I never said TK is better than Pasta, that is what you and others are saying. I said that if I were starting a team and I had a choice between Pastrnak and TK I would take TK and I have outlined my reasons why many times.
- jd250

That's saying that Konency is better than Pasternak. Your reasons are asinine.

Pretty much verbatim on what the majority of us have been saying in here. Even down to what he says about the fanbase in general loving Torts.
- MBFlyerfan

It's still a minority opinion, tho.

The vast majority of the fanbase still love him. And the people in charge of the team still love him too.

HB is one of the few places where people aren't totally buying into the cult of personality. Nice to hear Frank say the obvious too, but I doubt he's changing anybody's opinion.

It's still a minority opinion, tho.

The vast majority of the fanbase still love him. And the people in charge of the team still love him too.

HB is one of the few places where people aren't totally buying into the cult of personality. Nice to hear Frank say the obvious too, but I doubt he's changing anybody's opinion.
- Tomahawk

Yes, I have been saying we are a minority in here for years compared to the general fanbase.

It's still a minority opinion, tho.

The vast majority of the fanbase still love him. And the people in charge of the team still love him too.

HB is one of the few places where people aren't totally buying into the cult of personality. Nice to hear Frank say the obvious too, but I doubt he's changing anybody's opinion.
- Tomahawk

It will happen in time. It's just a question of how much more time will be wasted.

Yes, I have been saying we are a minority in here for years compared to the general fanbase.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm a member of Flyers Nation. Trust me, most of the fan base is still on board with Torts and company.

Yes, I have been saying we are a minority in here for years compared to the general fanbase.
- MBFlyerfan

The weirdest thing is watching Torts win over all the beats.

It's like they all have Stockholm Syndrome.

The weirdest thing is watching Torts win over all the beats.

It's like they all have Stockholm Syndrome.
- Tomahawk

They are afraid of him. They all see what happened to ASF, who is a well respected guy and isn't one to make up poop. If he says someone in the organization thought Hayes had a hand in the Gauthier situation, someone in the organization said it. Full stop.

They are afraid of him. They all see what happened to ASF, who is a well respected guy and isn't one to make up poop. If he says someone in the organization thought Hayes had a hand in the Gauthier situation, someone in the organization said it. Full stop.
- MBFlyerfan

It’s wrong that torts was allowed to ignore him the rest of the season.

Yes, I have been saying we are a minority in here for years compared to the general fanbase.
- MBFlyerfan

It's easy to see why the majority of the fanbase love Torts, actually very simple...he says and preaches ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

I believe we can ALL agree on that, but in reality it's his methods mixed with the actual team he has in front of him that fails.

A team full of elite talent, I want that, but I still want ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

The Flyers are trying sell its either or. That I will not buy into.

It's easy to see why the majority of the fanbase love Torts, actually very simple...he says and preaches ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

I believe we can ALL agree on that, but in reality it's his methods mixed with the actual team he has in front of him that fails.

A team full of elite talent, I want that, but I still want ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

The Flyers are trying sell its either or. That I will not buy into.
- Glak18

No, I won't buy into that either. The Flyers place way too much value on all of that. Talent, speed and skill is what wins in the NHL backed up with quality coaching. The Flyers don't have enough of either. They keep trying to market those intangibles and they do so because this fan base as a whole eats that poop up.

No, I won't buy into that either. The Flyers place way too much value on all of that. Talent, speed and skill is what wins in the NHL backed up with quality coaching. The Flyers don't have enough of either. They keep trying to market those intangibles and they do so because this fan base as a whole eats that poop up.
- MJL

Yea, but teams with talent can get destroyed too without important intangibles. I'm not sure if we agree, but it's balance what lacks for the Flyers. The skill is the toughest part to get, but the Flyers tend to go the lazy route by overcompensating intangibles over the skill they can not get.

Yea, but teams with talent can get destroyed too without important intangibles. I'm not sure if we agree, but it's balance what lacks for the Flyers. The skill is the toughest part to get, but the Flyers tend to go the lazy route by overcompensating intangibles over the skill they can not get.
- Glak18

Well you certainly can't be a pushover. You have to compete in the physical areas of the game and the small battles. I think we're in agreement. The Flyers think that those intangibles are more important than the skill and talent. That's the way they've always been. They have not evolved with the NHL.

It's easy to see why the majority of the fanbase love Torts, actually very simple...he says and preaches ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

I believe we can ALL agree on that, but in reality it's his methods mixed with the actual team he has in front of him that fails.

A team full of elite talent, I want that, but I still want ACCOUNTIBILITY, WORK ETHIC and TOUGHNESS.

The Flyers are trying sell its either or. That I will not buy into.
- Glak18

Here is the thing though. All the top teams preach ACCOUNTABILITY, WORK ETHIC, and TOUGHNESS. The Flyers and their fans think this is some sort of magic catch all that somehow only applies to them. It doesn't make Torts some sort of genius. It makes the organization stupid because they do it at the cost of talent. It works against them because they value that stuff over talent, as if the two cant coexist.

The Flyers have their fans snowed. They have them believing that the lunch pail attitude is somehow unique to them. And that is why they buy it hook line and sinker.

Yea, but teams with talent can get destroyed too without important intangibles. I'm not sure if we agree, but it's balance what lacks for the Flyers. The skill is the toughest part to get, but the Flyers tend to go the lazy route by overcompensating intangibles over the skill they can not get.
- Glak18

YES!

I'm a member of Flyers Nation. Trust me, most of the fan base is still on board with Torts and company.
- Phillywhiteout

Where do you regurgitate and steal more of your points from: Flyers Nation or Sirius Radio?

There is no right time to hire Tortorella. Worst coach you can have for a rebuilding team and for developing young players. Not capable of taking a team to cup contention. The NHL game has passed him by.
- MJL

I disagree. There’s a time and place for Torts. If you have a great team that is underperforming, then he’s the right guy to bring in, similar to Flyers 09-10 when they brought in Laviolette. He’s not the worst coach you can have, several young players have made strides the last 2 seasons with him as HC. The game has not passed him by, he has the Flyers playing at a faster pace than several previous coaches and that’s one reason they’ve played above their true level.