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anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 11:53 AM ET
little to no change to the PP is frustrating. sounds like some guys may get shipped out this offseason as well.

I didn’t catch the beginning but I didn’t really have a problem with a lot of what he was saying. I think people’s sensitivity of benching coots and the “balls” comment is laughable. people just don’t like Torts. If Lavi did/said this stuff they’d lap it up.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 19 @ 11:53 AM ET
Its not black and white......


yes, Danny, it is!
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Apr 19 @ 11:55 AM ET
https://twitter.com/charlieo_conn/status/1781345245042463172?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781345245042463172%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

beyond laughable

- hello it's me 2050


Accountability has never started at the top. That's for the rubes and the people at the bottom.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Apr 19 @ 11:57 AM ET
Vegas is an anomaly. You could start 10 new expansion franchises and none of them will have the success they did.

Heck even Seattle making the playoffs last season was kinda odd. But now they've come back to reality.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 11:58 AM ET
It was insulting.
- MBFlyerfan


he’s your captain, #1 center and paid like it. And he played well the first half. there weren’t signs he was banged up. so at that point you need to see what he has and he’s not going to accept you playing him with kid gloves from the start. He got reduced minutes as the season went on and showed fatigue. Are we going to walk on egg shells with the guy at the start of every season just in case?

It’s not like he was injured at the start of the season and was being thrown out there hurt. He had a full summer to train and prepare and we all said how good he looked. How are we complaining that Coots got the minutes he should be getting? Surely you didn’t want RP playing those minutes from the start of the season so that we “play it safe” with Sean?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 11:59 AM ET
Its not black and white......


yes, Danny, it is!

- MBFlyerfan

missed it, what did he say?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:00 PM ET
he’s your captain, #1 center and paid like it. And he played well the first half. there weren’t signs he was banged up. so at that point you need to see what he has and he’s not going to accept you playing him with kid gloves from the start. He got reduced minutes as the season went on and showed fatigue. Are we going to walk on egg shells with the guy at the start of every season just in case?
- anti-lame

did the co/gm not say he had 5 different injuries they knew about?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:02 PM ET
did the co/gm not say he had 5 different injuries they knew about?
- hello it's me 2050


When his play dropped and he started getting reduced minutes?

Did he say he had 5 different injuries at the start of the season?

People are saying we overplayed him early on… but he’s your #1 guy and was healthy. You’re not gonna sit a guy or give him a reduced role when he looks fine and was playing well, which we all agreed at the start of the season “wow look how much better we are with Coots in the lineup”

Some here are basically saying he shouldn’t be playing those minutes when he came into the season healthy.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:05 PM ET
When his play dropped and he started getting reduced minutes?

Did he say he had 5 different injuries at the start of the season?

- anti-lame

go back and look for yourself when he said it. simple fact is they overworked him. to think otherwise makes one a total dope.

Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 19 @ 12:06 PM ET
When his play dropped and he started getting reduced minutes?

Did he say he had 5 different injuries at the start of the season?

- anti-lame


If Coots needed to sit I have no problem. It was the Torts carnival that I think made the situation worse. It was apparent Torts was not communicating w/ the Captain and then the refusal to speak to the press only made the situation worse. Just come out and say we think Coots needs a few days off to get over the injuries.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:08 PM ET
- pretty much said they knew JD wasn't 100% healthy. good lord. not impressed with danny boy in any way.

- very happy with the entire coaching staff

this organization is screwed.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 19 @ 12:09 PM ET
torts is such a fn fraud. people lap his schitt up.

actions all about actions. he doesn't hold himself accountable at all imo

important for a coach to keep evolving lol....

turned it off

- hello it's me 2050


How do you know he doesn't hold himself accountable?

What must he have to do publicly to show that holds himself accountable?

I am not a fan of some of his methods but the hate for him is pathetic IMO.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:09 PM ET
If Coots needed to sit I have no problem. It was the Torts carnival that I think made the situation worse. It was apparent Torts was not communicating w/ the Captain and then the refusal to speak to the press only made the situation worse. Just come out and say we think Coots needs a few days off to get over the injuries.
- Flyfly


Torts said he let him know the day before and the coaching staff followed up with video. I think Coots saying he doesn’t know why is being misconstrued and what he’s really saying is he didn’t agree with it. Which is what a prideful pro would and should do.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:10 PM ET
How do you know he doesn't hold himself accountable?

What must he have to do publicly to show that holds himself accountable?

I am not a fan of some of his methods but the hate for him is pathetic IMO.

- WhiskeyMan

keep sucking is crank.

it isn't hate in any way. He is fraud. not my problem you lap what he says up.

he blames others simple as that.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 19 @ 12:11 PM ET
did the co/gm not say he had 5 different injuries they knew about?
- hello it's me 2050


Yes and even with that injuries he played well, then he fell flat. He and Cam just hit a wall and should have bit sat sooner.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:12 PM ET
go back and look for yourself when he said it. simple fact is they overworked him. to think otherwise makes one a total dope.
- hello it's me 2050


I don’t think you can overplay or overuse a number #1 center/captain that came in healthy and performed well for the first half.

Overplaying him would be NOT sitting him when he hit that wall and got banged up. It’s fine that Sean didn’t like it, I don’t expect him to. But not playing him those minutes when he was healthy and looked good would be a bigger disrespect to the player than “babying” his minutes from the get go which is what you are proposing. I don’t agree with it. Guess I’m a big dope
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:13 PM ET
Yes and even with that injuries he played well, then he fell flat. He and Cam just hit a wall and should have bit sat sooner.
- WhiskeyMan

your version of playing well and mine different. JD was just there. what did he do that warrants he played well overall?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:14 PM ET
I don’t think you can overplay or overuse a number #1 center/captain that came in healthy and performed well for the first half.

Overplaying him would be NOT sitting him when he hit that wall and got banged up. It’s fine that Sean didn’t like it, I don’t expect him to. But not playing him those minutes when he was healthy and looked good would be a bigger disrespect to the player than “babying” his minutes from the get go which is what you are proposing. I don’t agree with it. Guess I’m a big dope

- anti-lame

well your a dope. he missed 2 years off 2 back surgeries. lets give him 20+ off the bat. then you get the results you got at the end of the year.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:14 PM ET
How do you know he doesn't hold himself accountable?

What must he have to do publicly to show that holds himself accountable?

I am not a fan of some of his methods but the hate for him is pathetic IMO.

- WhiskeyMan


He apologized to media multiple times and said he handled certain things wrong. I think he’s been plenty accountable. I’m still upset that the PP doesn’t seem to be changing but I was right - outside consultants incoming lol
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 19 @ 12:18 PM ET
DB was funny about the goal tending
Hosher12
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.15.2020

Apr 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
please ask if they have any rational reason to keep Rocky on the PP and what is that reason
- hello it's me 2050


Better draft pick!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:22 PM ET
for the peeps who watched, do you really think danny boy is in charge of much if anything at all?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 19 @ 12:23 PM ET
Staal and Gurianov were named as vets who mostly likely are gone... but he noticeably didn't mention EJ there.



anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:24 PM ET
well your a dope. he missed 2 years off 2 back surgeries. lets give him 20+ off the bat. then you get the results you got at the end of the year.
- hello it's me 2050


Are we going to spoon feed him 9 minutes a night at the start of every season just in case he gets hurt later? For 6 years? He looked great the first half of the year. Minutes were reduced accordingly. I think it’s backwards to not give the player you respect so much a chance to play when he’s healthy. You want RP taking those minutes on opening day?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 12:27 PM ET
Staal and Gurianov were named as vets who mostly likely are gone... but he noticeably didn't mention EJ there.




- Tomahawk


If he’s sitting more often then not and only coming in when there’s injuries I guess it’s not that big of a deal… better than Staal at least
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