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Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:35 PM ET
Reading the comments here, I’m not exactly sure anyone actually likes this team, lol.

They over performed by about 25 points, got another first round pick, have a selection in the top 15, and had a younger core play pretty solid hockey against much better teams for about 98% of the season.

I get it, the Seeler extension is pretty blah. And they were silly to keep Laughton if teams did offer a first. I also can understand if you wanted them to completely strip it down to the studs and start over. Are people pissed about Cutter who had a friggin temper tantrum when he didn’t get his way and had his Daddy demand a trade and screw a team out of the 5th overall picks? That’s not a person I want on my team ever.

Pretty much all the whining has been about hypotheticals, but Briere put much of that to bed with his comments today. And all the complaining about injuries ended up being nothing egregious.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 7:35 PM ET
The Flyers don't have a single player that falls under that category.
- MJL


“draft and develop

Rebuilding team should play kids

Hook, line and sinker”
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:39 PM ET
Reading the comments here, I’m not exactly sure anyone actually likes this team, lol.

They over performed by about 25 points, got another first round pick, have a selection in the top 15, and had a younger core play pretty solid hockey against much better teams for about 98% of the season.

I get it, the Seeler extension is pretty blah. And they were silly to keep Laughton if teams did offer a first. I also can understand if you wanted them to completely strip it down to the studs and start over. Are people pissed about Cutter who had a friggin temper tantrum when he didn’t get his way and had his Daddy demand a trade and screw a team out of the 5th overall picks? That’s not a person I want on my team ever.

Pretty much all the whining has been about hypotheticals, but Briere put much of that to bed with his comments today. And all the complaining about injuries ended up being nothing egregious.

- Flyers1218


If you're asking me why I'm not overjoyed with optimism?

Should I look over the rainbow and eat the positives? The team is no different than it was 5 years ago...or 10. It's the same recycled story. Should I be excited for the young players? You mean like that awesome future top 6?

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers
Morin-Hagg

What could go wrong?

Edit: Yes, I hate myself more for following the team than I do the actual team...so this is what it's like to be a Maple Leaf fan
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:41 PM ET
Reading the comments here, I’m not exactly sure anyone actually likes this team, lol.

They over performed by about 25 points, got another first round pick, have a selection in the top 15, and had a younger core play pretty solid hockey against much better teams for about 98% of the season.

I get it, the Seeler extension is pretty blah. And they were silly to keep Laughton if teams did offer a first. I also can understand if you wanted them to completely strip it down to the studs and start over. Are people pissed about Cutter who had a friggin temper tantrum when he didn’t get his way and had his Daddy demand a trade and screw a team out of the 5th overall picks? That’s not a person I want on my team ever.

Pretty much all the whining has been about hypotheticals, but Briere put much of that to bed with his comments today. And all the complaining about injuries ended up being nothing egregious.

- Flyers1218



No offense but you seem like the type of fan that they're targeting. That buys into their rhetoric. Ask yourself one simple question. Did anything that happened this season contribute to putting the team on the path to legit cup contention?

Dam right I'm pissed about the Gauthier situation. The Flyers completely screwed that up but hey, who needs high level talent when you can have a GM that puts things to bed with his comments.
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Apr 19 @ 7:42 PM ET
I actually like you. I completely enjoy and get a good laugh every day with how you make yourself look like a complete ass. Every day as sure as the sun comes up. With no comprehension of how your repeated overuse of emoji's makes you look. Please don't stop.
- MJL

You sound like a child
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:44 PM ET
No offense but you seem like the type of fan that they're targeting. That buys into their rhetoric. Ask yourself one simple question. Did anything that happened this season contribute to putting the team on the path to legit cup contention?

Dam right I'm pissed about the Gauthier situation. The Flyers completely screwed that up but hey, who needs high level talent when you can have a GM that puts things to bed with his comments.

- MJL


To be fair...IF Cutter never got traded the chances he would of gotten a major injury or just plain sucked balls for his time here would of been very high. At least he gets to have a career somewhere else.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:47 PM ET
To be fair...IF Cutter never got traded the chances he would of gotten a major injury or just plain sucked balls for his time here would of been very high. At least he gets to have a career somewhere else.
- Glak18


Ah, the symptoms and long term effects of being a Flyers fan.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:48 PM ET
Ah, the symptoms and long term effects of being a Flyers fan.

- MJL


I swear from the deepest of my soul that if the Flyers drafted McDavid, he would be a 30 point middle six player right now.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:51 PM ET
No offense but you seem like the type of fan that they're targeting. That buys into they're rhetoric. Ask yourself one simple question. Did anything that happened this season contribute to putting the team on the path to legit cup contention?

Dam right I'm pissed about the Gauthier situation. The Flyers completely screwed that up but hey, who needs high level talent when you can have a GM that puts things to bed with his comments.

- MJL

I don’t buy into anything. But I don’t see why there is pathetic crying by grown men in the forum all day everyday. Bickering like a bunch of children and too blinded by their hatred of the coach to see anything.

What exactly did they do that stunted their growth this year? Did they not acquire another first round pick? Did they not draft Michkov last year? Are they not able to trade TK, Laughton, and anyone else leading up to the draft if they were so inclined? Do they not have two firsts and two seconds this year and next year?

As for Gauthier, how are they to blame? Because they didn’t want to burn a year of his ELC? The kid ghosted them. Ghosted guys like John LeClair and Patrick Sharp. Disrespected the team that drafted him FIFTH OVERALL when they flew halfway around the world to talk to him. He’s a piece of poop. I hope he breaks every bone in his wussy body.

I don’t love every decision they make. I probably would have stripped it all down to the studs. I’ve said that several times. But people here are whining on and on about what they think will happen and nothing that has actually happened outside of Seeler.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Apr 19 @ 7:52 PM ET
His injury history is getting to be a huge red flag. He's played 42 games with only 10 points over the last 2 seasons with multiple lengthy absences due to injuries to the same shoulder. The same shoulder which now might need a procedure this offseason.

Going into next year, his last healthy season will be 3 years ago.

You have to think if Briere hadn't had playoff fever that they hold onto Cutter until the offseason. The Ducks were laughing all the way to the bank with this one.

- Flyers_01

Quite frankly I am not impressed with DB. He traded for 2 players who were damaged goods - Drysdale and Johansen (I may even blame him for the Ellis debacle). He got absolutely fleeced in the Gauthier trade because of a situation for which he has no one to blame but himself. What has he done? Got a 1st for Walker? Well if you take enough poop in return ,you can get a first for anyone, even Stall.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:53 PM ET
I don’t buy into anything. But I don’t see why there is pathetic crying by grown men in the forum all day everyday. Bickering like a bunch of children and too blinded by their hatred of the coach to see anything.

What exactly did they do that stunted their growth this year? Did they not acquire another first round pick? Did they not draft Michkov last year? Are they not able to trade TK, Laughton, and anyone else leading up to the draft if they were so inclined? Do they not have two firsts and two seconds this year and next year?

As for Gauthier, how are they to blame? Because they didn’t want to burn a year of his ELC? The kid ghosted them. Ghosted guys like John LeClair and Patrick Sharp. Disrespected the team that drafted him FIFTH OVERALL when they flew halfway around the world to talk to him. He’s a piece of poop. I hope he breaks every bone in his wussy body.

I don’t love every decision they make. I probably would have stripped it all down to the studs. I’ve said that several times. But people here are whining on and on about what they think will happen and nothing that has actually happened outside of Seeler.

- Flyers1218


That's cute, you still have hope. I miss that.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:55 PM ET
Quite frankly I am not impressed with DB. He traded for 2 players who were damaged goods - Drysdale and Johansen (I may even blame him for the Ellis debacle). He got absolutely fleeced in the Gauthier trade because of a situation for which he has no one to blame but himself. What has he done? Got a 1st for Walker? Well if you take enough poop in return ,you can get a first for anyone, even Stall.
- mr4tno

He weaponized cap space to get a first round pick. Isn’t that exactly what you are supposed to do when you aren’t going to be competitive for a few years?

Blame him for the Ellis debacle? How is that even possible?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:56 PM ET
That's cute, you still have hope. I miss that.
- Glak18

I’m a Mets, Jets, and Flyers fan. There is no such thing as hope. But nothing happened this year for there to be this much anger.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Apr 19 @ 7:56 PM ET
The Flyers should have 2 things as their main priorities:

1) Draft more skill that can play in the NHL
2) Stop adding to their deficit, the only solution is time

$31,463,095

Ellis
Petersen
Hayes
Deangelo
Ristolainen (LTIR?)
Atkinson (Buyout?)
Johansen (Buyout/LTIR?)

That's a HEFTY dead cap situation for next year, not even including future mysteries to happen.

That could technically pay for 2-3 almost elite type players, if the Flyers ever get 1. Instead they go the Voltron route and try to piece together and use the same cap.

- Glak18

This may be our saving grace to prevent us from throwing silly money at TK
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:58 PM ET
If you're asking me why I'm not overjoyed with optimism?

Should I look over the rainbow and eat the positives? The team is no different than it was 5 years ago...or 10. It's the same recycled story. Should I be excited for the young players? You mean like that awesome future top 6?

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers
Morin-Hagg

What could go wrong?

Edit: Yes, I hate myself more for following the team than I do the actual team...so this is what it's like to be a Maple Leaf fan

- Glak18

I’m not sure what that group of defensemen has to do with the current young players. If we go by that logic then they shouldn’t even bother drafting anyone because no one will ever work out.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 19 @ 7:59 PM ET
2-0 phantoms. Lyksell having a strong game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:02 PM ET
I don’t buy into anything. But I don’t see why there is pathetic crying by grown men in the forum all day everyday. Bickering like a bunch of children and too blinded by their hatred of the coach to see anything.

What exactly did they do that stunted their growth this year? Did they not acquire another first round pick? Did they not draft Michkov last year? Are they not able to trade TK, Laughton, and anyone else leading up to the draft if they were so inclined? Do they not have two firsts and two seconds this year and next year?


- Flyers1218


Sure you have. You made two comments referring to what Briere said in his presser. There isn't a dam thing that Briere, Tortorella, Jones or Hilferty can say that means anything to me. Put up or shut up. You honestly don't see why there is complaint? perhaps it's due to not being a relevant team in the NHL for over a decade. Perhaps its due to there not being any sign whatsoever that they have the first clue or the willingness to do what needs to be done. To bring the franchise into the realm of the modern day NHL. They've hitched their wagon to a past his prime, archaic head coach who hasn't done squat in the NHL in the last 20 years. They're not going to trade Konecny and there is a good chance they don't trade Laughton either. Unless the get lucky in the draft, the picks they have are more than likely just at best get them more good players. Need more than that. Michkov is the only potential elite asset they have.



As for Gauthier, how are they to blame? Because they didn’t want to burn a year of his ELC? The kid ghosted them. Ghosted guys like John LeClair and Patrick Sharp. Disrespected the team that drafted him FIFTH OVERALL when they flew halfway around the world to talk to him. He’s a piece of poop. I hope he breaks every bone in his wussy body.


- Flyers1218


They were complete idiots for not signing him in March of 23. I don't agree with how Gauthier handled it but if you don't think the Flyers are to blame for what happened, then you have blinders on.



I don’t love every decision they make. I probably would have stripped it all down to the studs. I’ve said that several times. But people here are whining on and on about what they think will happen and nothing that has actually happened outside of Seeler.

- Flyers1218


What they think will happen? The same thing that's been happening for the last decade. Absolutely nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:05 PM ET
I’m a Mets, Jets, and Flyers fan. There is no such thing as hope. But nothing happened this year for there to be this much anger.
- Flyers1218


I couldn't disagree more. The Flyers have again put themselves in the worst position an NHL team can be in.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:06 PM ET
Sure you have. You made two comments referring to what Briere said in his presser. There isn't a dam thing that Briere, Tortorella, Jones or Hilferty can say that means anything to me. Put up or shut up. You honestly don't see why there is complaint? perhaps it's due to not being a relevant team in the NHL for over a decade. Perhaps its due to there not being any sign whatsoever that they have the first clue or the willingness to do what needs to be done. To bring the franchise into the realm of the modern day NHL. They've hitched their wagon to a past his prime, archaic head coach who hasn't done squat in the NHL in the last 20 years. They're not going to trade Konecny and there is a good chance they don't trade Laughton either. Unless the get lucky in the draft, the picks they have are more than likely just at best get them more good players. Need more than that. Michkov is the only potential elite asset they have.




They were complete idiots for not signing him in March of 23. I don't agree with how Gauthier handled it but if you don't think the Flyers are to blame for what happened, then you have blinders on.




What they think will happen? The same thing that's been happening for the last decade. Absolutely nothing.

- MJL

There is no fact here. No evidence. No substance. Just your opinion. And that’s fine, it’s your opinion. You say I’m the fan they’re targeting to buy in? That must suck for them as I went to exactly zero games. But I’d still rather be that then chicken little.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 19 @ 8:09 PM ET
Bob Rotruck is an awesome play by play guy I wish the flyers hired him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:09 PM ET
There is no fact here. No evidence. No substance. Just your opinion. And that’s fine, it’s your opinion. You say I’m the fan they’re targeting to buy in? That must suck for them as I went to exactly zero games. But I’d still rather be that then chicken little.
- Flyers1218


You support what they're doing and no offense, you're just not wise enough to know any better. Your posts were just filled with undeniable facts.


The Flyers haven't been a relevant NHL team in over a decade is not a fact? Maybe you don't know the Flyers history or what a fact is.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:09 PM ET
I couldn't disagree more. The Flyers have again put themselves in the worst position an NHL team can be in.
- MJL

First off, and you can go back and find it, I argued for a long time that the Flyers lacked elite talent. That they needed a full tank job to get that elite talent. That still stands true.

But they have some good young players. And they have some picks where they can add some more.

Hopefully Michkov is elite.

But we’ve also seen teams draft at the top and still stink.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:10 PM ET
I’m not sure what that group of defensemen has to do with the current young players. If we go by that logic then they shouldn’t even bother drafting anyone because no one will ever work out.
- Flyers1218


Who has worked out? That's pretty much my disappointment in a nutshell.

Giroux? 2010 cup appearance...even that team had a lot of the same issues. 90's...a lot of the same issues.

I want new issues.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:11 PM ET
You support what they're doing and no offense, you're just not wise enough to know any better. Your posts were just filled with undeniable facts.

- MJL

I didn’t say I supported what they were doing. I said nothing happened that requires the amount of crying that has happened here.

And for the record, saying no offense doesn’t give you a license to say whatever you want, lol.

EDIT: Additionally, your go to when someone disagrees is personal attacks. And saying things like you just said. I’ve been here since like 2005. I know your act by now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 8:12 PM ET
First off, and you can go back and find it, I argued for a long time that the Flyers lacked elite talent. That they needed a full tank job to get that elite talent. That still stands true.

But they have some good young players. And they have some picks where they can add some more.

Hopefully Michkov is elite.

But we’ve also seen teams draft at the top and still stink.

- Flyers1218


They don't need more good young players. They have plenty of good. They're not a top team because they lack elite talent. The Flyers have again put themselves in the worst position an NHL team can be. They have to get real fortunate in the draft but that hasn't happened in a long time.
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