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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:01 PM ET
I’d throw big money at a guy like Henrique for a year. Flip at the deadline
- Just5


Why? The objective is stop wasting cap space. Well unless the assumption is purely based on the "fliP" and thinking the Flyers will get a 1st rounder because Anaheim did...that's not going to happen.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:22 PM ET
The Flyers should have 2 things as their main priorities:

1) Draft more skill that can play in the NHL
2) Stop adding to their deficit, the only solution is time

$31,463,095

Ellis
Petersen
Hayes
Deangelo
Ristolainen (LTIR?)
Atkinson (Buyout?)
Johansen (Buyout/LTIR?)

That's a HEFTY dead cap situation for next year, not even including future mysteries to happen.

That could technically pay for 2-3 almost elite type players, if the Flyers ever get 1. Instead they go the Voltron route and try to piece together and use the same cap.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Apr 19 @ 5:23 PM ET
Ufas at center is crazy thin.
- Just5


Offer sheet Byfield! Be aggressive!
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Apr 19 @ 5:24 PM ET
The Flyers should have 2 things as their main priorities:

1) Draft more skill that can play in the NHL
2) Stop adding to their deficit, the only solution is time

$31,463,095

Ellis
Petersen
Hayes
Deangelo
Ristolainen (LTIR?)
Atkinson (Buyout?)
Johansen (Buyout/LTIR?)

That's a HEFTY dead cap situation for next year, not even including future mysteries to happen.

That could technically pay for 2-3 almost elite type players, if the Flyers ever get 1. Instead they go the Voltron route and try to piece together and use the same cap.

- Glak18


Whoa! Seriously? Yeah that’s ungood.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
The Flyers should have 2 things as their main priorities:

1) Draft more skill that can play in the NHL
2) Stop adding to their deficit, the only solution is time

$31,463,095

Ellis
Petersen
Hayes
Deangelo
Ristolainen (LTIR?)
Atkinson (Buyout?)
Johansen (Buyout/LTIR?)

That's a HEFTY dead cap situation for next year, not even including future mysteries to happen.

That could technically pay for 2-3 almost elite type players, if the Flyers ever get 1. Instead they go the Voltron route and try to piece together and use the same cap.

- Glak18
Why would Risto be on LTIR? Didn't he just have surgery and is expected back before camp?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
Whoa! Seriously? Yeah that’s ungood.
- mikeyo27


If the cap goes up to 87.5m that's almost 36% used for nothing.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:28 PM ET
Why would Risto be on LTIR? didn't he just have surgery and is expected back before camp?
- Phillywhiteout


It's the Flyers, didn't they say the same about Coots? Missed a year, actually more. Said same about Ellis, now he's dead. Even Atkinson should be good for the season then missed the whole year. Even Nolan went through that. Obviously that situation was more justified, but they lied through the whole process.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Apr 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
Right on Cliff!! Carry on with your day long whining session! You do you!
- Phillywhiteout

Its hilarious that people that cant stand each other all cant stand you
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
He isn't rooting against him. I'm rooting against him. This turd is rooting for him and I don't feel like being civil cause the obsession with this guy is gonna be off the charts that want to see this blow up in the Flyers' face. I'll be outta here in a few minutes cause some of us actually have better things to do then come to a site and whine about a team that they don't even like.
- Phillywhiteout


The lack of self awareness you have is astounding. You have no awareness that you constantly whine about other posters while accusing them of whining. It's hysterical.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
The lack of self awareness you have is astounding. You have no awareness that you constantly whine about other posters while accusing them of whining. It's hysterical.
- MJL



anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
It's the Flyers, didn't they say the same about Coots? Missed a year, actually more. Said same about Ellis, now he's dead. Even Atkinson should be good for the season then missed the whole year. Even Nolan went through that. Obviously that situation was more justified, but they lied through the whole process.
- Glak18



Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 19 @ 5:38 PM ET
The lack of self awareness you have is astounding. You have no awareness that you constantly whine about other posters while accusing them of whining. It's hysterical.
- MJL
Dude, please come up with a new take. You have to be the most boring individual that ever lived. Just beat dead horses day after day. Nothing ever original. Yikes!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
It's the Flyers, didn't they say the same about Coots? Missed a year, actually more. Said same about Ellis, now he's dead. Even Atkinson should be good for the season then missed the whole year. Even Nolan went through that. Obviously that situation was more justified, but they lied through the whole process.
- Glak18
Have faith...the sun just came out!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 19 @ 5:41 PM ET
Its hilarious that people that cant stand each other all cant stand you
- THE BLACK HAND

...I literally have no idea what the phuck you are talking about, but I see that you and your big brother showed up at the same time to stalk me as usual. Strange brews indeed! Another Yikes!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 5:44 PM ET
Why? The objective is stop wasting cap space. Well unless the assumption is purely based on the "fliP" and thinking the Flyers will get a 1st rounder because Anaheim did...that's not going to happen.
- Glak18


If they aren’t going to burn it down, which they won’t, then I would use cap space on 1 year vet deals. It’s 1 year there’s no harm in it
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
Whoa! Seriously? Yeah that’s ungood.
- mikeyo27


Precisely why they can’t do any more buyouts. Stop the stringing out of $$ and just eat it. And let Atkinson ride a bus for a year he’s not owed a spot on the team or a buyout. Ridiculous
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
Precisely why they can’t do any more buyouts. Stop the stringing out of $$ and just eat it. And let Atkinson ride a bus for a year he’s not owed a spot on the team or a buyout. Ridiculous
- Just5
Torts won't let that happen (ride a bus) to his buddy.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Apr 19 @ 6:17 PM ET
So easy to understand.

The Flyers for years have blamed their players, and talked non stop about accountability in the locker room, or on the ice.

Have you seen any accountability in the front office in the last decade? Or more specifically after Fletcher was let go?

Trailer park fanbase.

- flyer_nutter



You mean…missing teeth..jailhouse tattoos.. and bad haircuts?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 6:17 PM ET
Yeah, he really handled the benching in the final game with class? He was smiling on the bench! WTF! A competitive player would have been pissed off, but good ole Frosty already had his tee times setup for the next morning. I hope he gets outta here too, but for different reasons than you. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout


The above is a completely idiotic post that lacks any semblance of common sense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 6:21 PM ET
Oh, so now I apparently live in a trailer! This conversation just keeps getting better and better. Did you watch the games this year? They competed in just about every game until they ran out of gas down the stretch. The accountability off the ice remains in question and we shall see how that plays out, but this team played hard this year.
- Phillywhiteout


When do we have the parade for playing hard?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 19 @ 6:26 PM ET
they are absolutely going out of their way to control the narrative, i think we all see that. and maybe not you - but others - are cognizant enough to see how they operate, cognizant enough to know that things are likely not changing any time soon, but not smart enough to start following another team. those folks only do damage to themselves, their blood pressure, their mental health, their happiness, and, very likely, their sexual function.

i think we should all go spend some time with our families today

- anti-lame


lol is this a rant against those who bully the Flyers?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 6:27 PM ET
Dude, please come up with a new take. You have to be the most boring individual that ever lived. Just beat dead horses day after day. Nothing ever original. Yikes!
- Phillywhiteout


Stop whining.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Apr 19 @ 6:28 PM ET
lol is this a rant against those who bully the Flyers?
- flyer_nutter


zen is within reach and change comes from within.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Apr 19 @ 6:37 PM ET
Fine with this.



This does not make sense. Even if Atkinson, Johansen and Petersen are banished to the AHL, they will still eat up $11.4 million in cap space as well as three roster spots (the Flyers are at 49/50 currently). Add in the TDA buyout and Hayes retention in that scenario and you're losing $16.7 million in cap space for 2024-25. If any of those three remain on the NHL roster (as healthy scratches or whatever), you can add in $1.15 million more per player. It's going to be hard to weaponize cap space if there is none, and trading any of those three is going to be impossible without giving up assets or taking back a bad contract. Add in having less (or no) available contracts to sign prospects, the likelihood of those players taking playing time from young guys, and the negative effect of having a guy like Atkinson sit all the time and it's pretty much a losing scenario all the way around.

Johansen was acquired with a buyout as his ultimate fate if no one picked him up on waivers (which was the case). If he can be bought out (i.e. he's not still injured at buyout time), he will be.

Petersen will stick around as the Phantoms backup goalie and the Flyers will continue to eat his $3.85 million cap hit and let him go after Bjarnason is old enough to play in the AHL (which won't be until the 2025-26 season).

The only real question here is what to do with Atkinson. Perhaps another team would take a chance on him at 50% retention. Considering how precipitously he declined, it's not likely without even more sweetener.



Also fine with this. Kolosov is young (22) and likely to only get better.

- Pelle Schultz
Why push cap into a year when we might need it?

Peterson is UFA after 24/25...so he will be gone next summer like all 3 of them.

Danny hardly weaponized the cap space this year...what makes you think he will next year? They shouldn't be signing UFA's at this point, so no need for contract space...ride it out, make it Torts last year, and start fresh in 25-26
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 19 @ 6:43 PM ET
If they aren’t going to burn it down, which they won’t, then I would use cap space on 1 year vet deals. It’s 1 year there’s no harm in it
- Just5


They will just fall in love with their own players and extend them
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