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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:06 AM ET
It’s pretty Fletcheresque to give up a 1st for someone who doesn’t move the needle.
- Minnyhock


A late first for someone who can be a versatile role player, kill penalties and good locker room guy.

Laughton is not a bad player. He just isn't want the Flyers need at this time. But for a playoff team/cup contender. He would be a good asset.




Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 17 @ 11:07 AM ET
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1780612277520978402?t=cGRVi-IQSuO7HRudnq6bXQ&s=19

Rizzo signed, ends that saga. Good move by him. this organization definitely needs centers.

- Trox88


Well that's an unexpected surprise.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:08 AM ET
Hopefully the Flyers have learned their lesson here on how to handle a top prospect. I doubt it though.
- MJL


It's pretty simple.

Not all prospects get the same treatment. Everyone will be treated with respect but not everyone is treated the same.
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Joined: 08.12.2013

Apr 17 @ 11:10 AM ET
Another disappointing season, despite some promising times. Right now everybody is bashing Torts, especially the usual suspect(s). I will try to find some positive points from this season. Torts may not be the guy the Flyers need in the future, but for the first time in years the Flyers didn't sleep walk through the 1st period. They actually bought in and played with structure, they didn't stand around and puck watch as much as before, they played better positionally and they were able to finally get the puck through the neutral zone. Hakstol, Gordon, AV and Yeo couldn't break the Flyers out of those bad habits, but Torts did for the most part. The Flyers needed a disciplinarian as a coach and this time it was Torts. I highly doubt that Torts will be around after next season and who knows what changes this off season brings? Obviously, something has to be done with the PP. I'm still amazed the Flyers won as many games as they did with the worlds worst PP. Let's see what moves Briere has up his sleeve this summer?

That's the end of my rant. It's now baseball time!
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 17 @ 11:12 AM ET
laughton can get a 1st and he makes 3 million for the next 2 years. he is a player many team want.

flyers as usual never sell high though.

- hello it's me 2050


Laughton is a 3rd line forward. This was his first complete season since 2018, which means he gets injured a lot.
His point production went down compared to last season, 4 points, not much but still a drop.
The major concern is his PIM, went up to a career high 69 minutes. To me, a lot of them I would consider lazy penalties.

He is also turning 30. Flyers would maybe get a low 2nd or a 3rd round pick for him.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
It’s pretty Fletcheresque to give up a 1st for someone who doesn’t move the needle.
- Minnyhock

goodrow coleman and the liek all got a 1st....look at past deadlines.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1780612277520978402?t=cGRVi-IQSuO7HRudnq6bXQ&s=19

Rizzo signed, ends that saga. Good move by him. this organization definitely needs centers.

- Trox88

damn was hoping he walked.

smart on his end seeing the lack of talent in the organization.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
Well that's an unexpected surprise.
- Tomahawk


Didn't someone on this board call it another black mark for the Flyers because Rizzo was going to sign here?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
Laughton is a 3rd line forward. This was his first complete season since 2018, which means he gets injured a lot.
His point production went down compared to last season, 4 points, not much but still a drop.
The major concern is his PIM, went up to a career high 69 minutes. To me, a lot of them I would consider lazy penalties.

He is also turning 30. Flyers would maybe get a low 2nd or a 3rd round pick for him.

- WhiskeyMan

his minutes went down so is that why the small drop in production?
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Apr 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
Another disappointing season, despite some promising times. Right now everybody is bashing Torts, especially the usual suspect(s). I will try to find some positive points from this season. Torts may not be the guy the Flyers need in the future, but for the first time in years the Flyers didn't sleep walk through the 1st period. They actually bought in and played with structure, they didn't stand around and puck watch as much as before, they played better positionally and they were able to finally get the puck through the neutral zone. Hakstol, Gordon, AV and Yeo couldn't break the Flyers out of those bad habits, but Torts did for the most part. The Flyers needed a disciplinarian as a coach and this time it was Torts. I highly doubt that Torts will be around after next season and who knows what changes this off season brings? Obviously, something has to be done with the PP. I'm still amazed the Flyers won as many games as they did with the worlds worst PP. Let's see what moves Briere has up his sleeve this summer?

That's the end of my rant. It's now baseball time!

- Thors-Hammer

How about that Suarez gem last night. Guy is fun to watch. Gives me Cliff Lee vibes
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
How about that Suarez gem last night. Guy is fun to watch. Gives me Cliff Lee vibes
- TobyFlenderson

9 innings is rare on this pussified age
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
Another disappointing season, despite some promising times. Right now everybody is bashing Torts, especially the usual suspect(s). I will try to find some positive points from this season. Torts may not be the guy the Flyers need in the future, but for the first time in years the Flyers didn't sleep walk through the 1st period. They actually bought in and played with structure, they didn't stand around and puck watch as much as before, they played better positionally and they were able to finally get the puck through the neutral zone. Hakstol, Gordon, AV and Yeo couldn't break the Flyers out of those bad habits, but Torts did for the most part. The Flyers needed a disciplinarian as a coach and this time it was Torts. I highly doubt that Torts will be around after next season and who knows what changes this off season brings? Obviously, something has to be done with the PP. I'm still amazed the Flyers won as many games as they did with the worlds worst PP. Let's see what moves Briere has up his sleeve this summer?

That's the end of my rant. It's now baseball time!

- Thors-Hammer


Both Hakstol and Vigneault coached the Flyers to significantly better seasons than this season. I've never seen a fan base overrate a season where the team was 6 games below .500 more. Where as was posted previously, the team was ranked 27th in the league in goals. Ranked 19th defensively and the worst PP in the league 3 seasons running. This team is below mediocre.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
How about that Suarez gem last night. Guy is fun to watch. Gives me Cliff Lee vibes
- TobyFlenderson


Love Ranger... dude takes the ball whenever needed and just throws.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1780612277520978402?t=cGRVi-IQSuO7HRudnq6bXQ&s=19

Rizzo signed, ends that saga. Good move by him. this organization definitely needs centers.

- Trox88


Poor Massimo, the expectations placed on him by fans and media is going to be super unrealistic. Kid doesn't have a chance.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Apr 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
Did you notice Frost when he was playing? I sure as hell didn't. In fact, I barely noticed him at all down the stretch in general. He is a soft player that simply doesn't have the competitive fire and you can't teach that. I did see him smiling on the bench last night though, so I guess he was having a good time. I hear he is a helleva guy though.

- Phillywhiteout

i do not disagree with you statement that he was not noticeable but tell me who really was noticeable. They were all blah...
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Apr 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
Prospect, veteran, it doesn't matter. It's only about leverage. When a player has leverage that creates an opportunity to make demands.

That's why virtually all top NCAA players get to burn that year off, why they go straight into the lineup without earning anything. The threat of going Adam Fox is always in their back pocket. It's nothing new, it's been happening for decades.

Does Fedotov come over if he's not promised a spot in the lineup right away, burning the tolled year off his contract?

You can bet Michkov will look for guarantees before he crosses over as well.

Cutter had leverage and the Flyers tried to call his bluff but then he painted them into a corner. Real amateur hour stuff.

- Tomahawk


Cg had ZERO leverage and Philly didn’t call his bluff. Calling his bluff would’ve meant telling him they aren’t moving him and enjoy 4 years in college risking injury and making no money.


Top prospects want elc signed and first year burned as fast as possible. Cg wanted to be signed. Told to do 1 more year of college. He was pissed. He’s immature (as expected) philly puffed their chest and made a rash stupid decision. They got Pennie’s on the dollar in trade. And don’t be fooled by the narrative Philly pushed. There was no threat if it came out what cg would’ve had to deal with the big bad flyers fans. They are nothing. They would’ve been standing cheering like crazy the first time cg put a puck in the net.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Apr 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
Love Ranger... dude takes the ball whenever needed and just throws.
- Flyfly

Agreed. Even better is watching him field his position. Should already be a GG winner if it weren't for that ridiculously arbitrary innings requirement.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
his minutes went down so is that why the small drop in production?
- hello it's me 2050


He played 4 more games than last season. So more chance to get more points.

He played 67 games to years ago and got 30 points. Only 9 less than this year.

He is just returning to what he is, an average 3rd line forward that every team has.



Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 17 @ 11:23 AM ET
I do think Laughton has value in the market. I know Bill has mentioned the Flyers could have interest in acquiring a young, center reclamation project. Peyton Krebs has been mentioned many times. Not necessarily, Flyers are going to trade Laughton for a center, but I do expect Briere to get more young center depth in the organization. Even Briere knows a team is not a serious contender when in a "must win" game, Poehling is the center with the most minutes (not a shot at him). Offseason objective- increase organizational young center depth. Step 1- Rizzo signed. Let's see what happens next.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 17 @ 11:25 AM ET
Yes, they took a step forward as a team. You are just blind to it because you would rather talk about 3 on 3 and skill competition losses. Young players developed, leaders emerged, the team as a whole was much more competitive. All good steps. In the end, the step that will matter the most is getting more high end talent into the Flyers top 6.
- jd250

Given a few more points would have gotten them into the playoffs, they should put more attention on how they approach 3 on 3 play in OT.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Apr 17 @ 11:25 AM ET
Poor Massimo, the expectations placed on him by fans and media is going to be super unrealistic. Kid doesn't have a chance.
- Glak18


Is he good enough for the NHL or is he an over achieving AHLer? I know nothing about him.
Hosher12
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.15.2020

Apr 17 @ 11:29 AM ET
Poor Massimo, the expectations placed on him by fans and media is going to be super unrealistic. Kid doesn't have a chance.
- Glak18


😂 at least you gave the kid a chance 😂
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 17 @ 11:30 AM ET
Well that's an unexpected surprise.
- Tomahawk


He’s a tweener. Good publicity
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 17 @ 11:30 AM ET
It’s public knowledge cg wanted and expected to be signed to his elc after first year college. Db balked (rightfully so) and had him return to college for another year.

Cg threw a hissy fit and played games.


He had no problem playing for torts

- Stayin alive


Did CG tell you this personally? Maybe that’s the case and maybe not. If CG wanted to sign but could not get a guarantee he wouldn’t be sent down to the Phantoms then that’s on him. I think there
Is more to it.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 17 @ 11:31 AM ET
Agreed. Even better is watching him field his position. Should already be a GG winner if it weren't for that ridiculously arbitrary innings requirement.
- TobyFlenderson


incredible fielder! his defensive instincts are top tier no doubt. over they years he has really become one of my favorite players.
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