by the way to only score 1 goal againsyt that wash d is sad. 3rd game in 4 nights. their goalie didnt look gassed or worn down......

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more skilled youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

The problem is, the flyers are not close to where those other teams are in their rebuilding process. We are 3-5 years off.

I was told numerous times during the season that things were different this season. Doesn't seem so.

As far as being over .500. What games are we counting?
- MJL

Counting every other game and then Sunday games don't count - just like OT. The fact that most of us on here saw this coming all season just makes me more apathetic with this team. Perpetual mediocrity...

I can't wait for the spin the brass put on this season. I hope the press have the "balls" to actually ask DB and Jonesy the tough question b/c we know Torts will just throw a temper tantrum if asked.

Yes, they took a step forward as a team. You are just blind to it because you would rather talk about 3 on 3 and skill competition losses. Young players developed, leaders emerged, the team as a whole was much more competitive. All good steps. In the end, the step that will matter the most is getting more high end talent into the Flyers top 6.
- jd250

drafting in the 12-15 range will rarely get you high-end talent. Instead of resigning rp, extending ns, not trading sl the team over achieved and lost a chance at actually drafting high end talent.

but you nose is so far up torts ass you tickle his prostate so you would not know or understand any of this

Flyers :
https://www.statmuse.com/...iladelphia-flyers-16/2024

20th in wins
24th in OTL
21st in pts
27th in goals for
21st in goals against
25th in goal differential
32nd in PP% (BOTH YEARS)
32nd in SV%
4th in PK%


Are we talking the reality of Torts or because Torts is good at self promotion. Let's remember 2 years ago nobody wanted him, he was pretty much retired.

After 2 years with the Flyers he's turned a nonplayoff team that relied to much on the vets to a nonplayoff team that relies to much on the vets, there's just fewer of them available to play.
- Flyers_01

What the outside is pointing out is that this team is not the 21rst most talented team. They say it’s was a great job all around by Torts to get “THAT” group any where close to sniffing the playoffs.
Do I think he did a great job? Somethings yes. Others no, not by a long shot.

I honestly do not see Laughts getting a first in a trade. I think they have been BSing the media and fans about the potential 1sts they turned down.
- Flyfly

Someone is going to give up a 1st for a player entering his 30s and sliding permanently into a bottom 6 role and pay him 3.5-4 Mil. Not happening.

drafting in the 12-15 range will rarely get you high-end talent. Instead of resigning rp, extending ns, not trading sl the team over achieved and lost a chance at actually drafting high end talent.

but you nose is so far up torts ass you tickle his prostate so you would not know or understand any of this
- corduroy

These are more Briere issues, No?

38-44 is how I see their record
- corduroy

Do overtime points count?

His OT choices, dressing 11-D 7-F and his benching of specific players during the season cost the Flyers the 5 points they needed to make the playoffs.
- mickel25

THIS!

Is Charlie Bucket at locker clean out today? He may get close to asking a real question.

Do overtime points count?
- Flyfly

I think the Caps and Isles would say that they do.

Are they closer to being a contending team…of course they are. But are they close ? No they are not.
- landros 2

Agreed. Many players developed. People got better, things were found out. Defensemen are improving, goalies are getting minutes and will continue to get them next season to recover from the Hart debacle.

Problem is the time gap between when Michkov gets here and where we're at now. There doesn't seem to be any other top 6 forward talent in the queue. There is speed in the system, and that will help, but until we get another TK or Tippet who can bury opportunities when they are available, we'll continue to be a bubble playoff team.

So many times this year they could have won games with the pp, or, times when there was a rebound or a giveaway out front and our forwards couldn't take advantage. Too many missed nets, shots into the goalie's chest. Goals are scored by shooting at the targets used in the skills competition. Edges and corners or 5 hole if the goalies is moving. Otherwise all you're doing is pumping up shot totals and they don't win games.

The problem is, the flyers are not close to where those other teams are in their rebuilding process. We are 3-5 years off.
- coffee junkie

But are those teams closer? Talent wise for sure. But if they can’t put that together what does it matter? Buffalo hasn’t made the playoffs in 13tears….what rebuild plan takes that long? (Maybe the Hextall plan).
Hopefully an improved structure allows the Flyers to grow quicker, because you’re actually putting future young talent into something that can work. The Flyers were never going to have the talent to win this year…they need to find ways to add that or all we’ll be left with is a well structured below average, bubble team.

Agreed. Many players developed. People got better, things were found out. Defensemen are improving, goalies are getting minutes and will continue to get them next season to recover from the Hart debacle.

Problem is the time gap between when Michkov gets here and where we're at now. There doesn't seem to be any other top 6 forward talent in the queue. There is speed in the system, and that will help, but until we get another TK or Tippet who can bury opportunities when they are available, we'll continue to be a bubble playoff team.

So many times this year they could have won games with the pp, or, times when there was a rebound or a giveaway out front and our forwards couldn't take advantage. Too many missed nets, shots into the goalie's chest. Goals are scored by shooting at the targets used in the skills competition. Edges and corners or 5 hole if the goalies is moving. Otherwise all you're doing is pumping up shot totals and they don't win games.
- BluehorseShoe64

There still a ton of work to do.

Did you see the bulletin board material CG provided for Denver in the finals? Not only was it overconfident/cocky, but it was inconsistent with a lot of the NHL culture. Players don't go public disrespecting opponents. They might trash talk on the ice, but that's gamesmanship.
- BluehorseShoe64

The choice of words was particularly cringe-worthy.

Tears lol.... ironically BC were the ones crying after getting shut out

You're probably right about what he saw, but do we want prospects coming in and telling management how they are deployed? When and where to use them? When they make the team?
There's nothing worse trying to coach players who think they're bigger than the team. Makes the job 10x harder.
- BluehorseShoe64

It actually happens all the time behind the scenes.

Deployment and icetime and linemates are all on the table when it's contract time, and when guys are being convinced to join teams. Coach may not always respect those assurances but they're given.

The one example that sticks out to me is Duncan Keith:



Made them promise him a spot on PP1 before he agreed to sign his 13-year monster deal.

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more skilled youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

That is the thing though. All of those teams have some prime talent and have under achieved. The Flyers have middle and bottom 6 talent and over achieved. The jury is out on whether the Flyers hurt themselves in the long run with the way this season ended. IE, Not in the playoffs and with no shot at the #1 pick, very little shot at #2.

I personally do not think Torts was the guy for this team. They put the cart before the horse IMO. It is what it is.

If GMDB moves on from Konecny or Laughton for picks or younger prospects maybe my view will change.

I just hope Torts is nowhere near the ice when MM comes over.

Someone is going to give up a 1st for a player entering his 30s and sliding permanently into a bottom 6 role and pay him 3.5-4 Mil. Not happening.
- Minnyhock

agreed.

if memory serves Frank S reported the Blues offered a 1st (late 20s pick) and a 2nd for Laughts last year and they passed. If true that is just downright stupidity.

I think the Caps and Isles would say that they do.
- mickel25

at least we cleared that up before the end of the season.

drafting in the 12-15 range will rarely get you high-end talent. Instead of resigning rp, extending ns, not trading sl the team over achieved and lost a chance at actually drafting high end talent.

but you nose is so far up torts ass you tickle his prostate so you would not know or understand any of this
- corduroy

danny boy owes it to laughton to win with this group lol

These are more Briere issues, No?
- landros 2

Yes and no - it does seem that torts is driving this bus

Someone is going to give up a 1st for a player entering his 30s and sliding permanently into a bottom 6 role and pay him 3.5-4 Mil. Not happening.
- Minnyhock

laughton can get a 1st and he makes 3 million for the next 2 years. he is a player many team want.

flyers as usual never sell high though.

These are more Briere issues, No?
- landros 2

one third his issue... remember: this is no only DBs team. This is the triumvirate and Hillferty has publicly said so... DB does not have the final say.

danny boy owes it to laughton to win with this group lol
- hello it's me 2050

can't let them "glue guys" go as they are way too important

Spot on!

There was one sequence, I believe on the Flyers powerplay where Frost got the puck in the right slot and I thought had a chance to go top shelf but instead decided to try a between the legs pass out to the high slot where the resulting shot was blocked. This is exactly what I think drives Torts crazy with him. In a game like this simple plays are winning plays, for example never passing up a chance to get a puck on net. Frost has never been able to see this line in the sand, and thus he sits. I guess it's clear now who Torts thinks does not have the balls to play in games like this.
- jd250

Oh yea, the simple plays were the winning plays last night. All the weak shot attempts and lack of playmaking and skill from the over played and over used grinders propelled the Flyers to victory last night in a must win game situation. You're as tone deaf as ever.

Yes, they took a step forward as a team. You are just blind to it because you would rather talk about 3 on 3 and skill competition losses. Young players developed, leaders emerged, the team as a whole was much more competitive. All good steps. In the end, the step that will matter the most is getting more high end talent into the Flyers top 6.
- jd250

No, they didn't take steps to anywhere. This season actually hurt their position for the future.