Ummmmm you said cg AND his representatives shunned them
- Stayin alive

Nope. (MJL did though).

No poop it's not college football. Still helped Logan Cooley sign with Chipotle as a brand ambassador. Snuggerud is staying in college another year because he also got a deal. Do you think they made it worth his while to forgo signing an ELC with the Blues? Opportunities are clearly there for high end NHL prospects. Not nearly enough as other college sports, but college hockey was not all that popular of a route for young players until about five minutes ago.
- TobyFlenderson

Remind me again was snuggaruad a top 5 pick? And did chipotle make it worthwhile for Cooley to bolt first chance he had to sign elc?

not forgetting schitt holmes. The agent said he did meet with them. Home and abroad.

no no cliff isnt correct.
- hello it's me 2050

I was talking about your pal.

Nope. (MJL did though).
- PT21

Oh my bad. I was referring to the statement from whoever said it then lol

Hakstol and AV had a LOT more talented players on those teams. This year's team was full of rookies and past their prime Vets and other vets coming back after major surgeries, so that's not a fair comparison. I'm not a big Torts fan, but he had to make lemonade out lemons. Hopefully the next Flyers coach will have some better talent to work with?
- Thors-Hammer

More top line talent for sure. The current team had plenty of talent including Konecny, Couturier, Tippett, Farabee and Frost. The point is that this season was not some magical season that some make out to be. Hyperbole intended. They're a below .500 mediocre team and they didn't accomplish anything that points towards a springboard to true contention.

I was talking about your pal.
- PT21

didnt look that way...he only deals in facts.

More top line talent for sure. The current team had plenty of talent including Konecny, Couturier, Tippett, Farabee and Frost. The point is that this season was not some magical season that some make out to be. Hyperbole intended. They're a below .500 mediocre team and they didn't accomplish anything that points towards a springboard to true contention.
- MJL

plenty of talent lol...sure they did.

Sure they have some grinders. Guys like Foerster, York, and Tippet how ever are not…not even close. What they are is young players that all took steps. Young players that are capable of forming part of a core. They also had guys like , Ersson and Brink whom all the so called experts on here had already decided they weren’t part of the future. Weren’t good enough to play in the NHL. They both showed they might be.
Guys like Drysdale came in and I thought although playing to mixed results gave us some glimpses of being a future NHL d man that you can have in a top pairing.
I also think they gave Frost a lot of rope, especially after Xmas. He even alluded to it a few minutes ago…he’s has to find ways to be more consistent.
Late in the year I actually liked what we saw from Attard and Ginning. Isn’t that working through some teething issues?

Would I have liked some of the skilled guys I’ve listed to play more meaningful minutes? Maybe…and for this team to get better those are the guys that will have to do it. Those guys aren’t exactly forming a team full of grinders.
- landros 2

Well said.

Now how do you turn around and say this but in an earlier post you said I bet the organization was lying about getting a first? Which is it? They lied, or they were offered a first and Frank S and BIll mentioned they did get offers independently.
- Flyerz74

Simple - I don't believe everything FS says. It was giving perspective they may have had an offer. No one knows if it really happened or not. The Flyers fall in LOVE with their own players and Laughts is one of them. You don't know the truth and I don't know the truth... Not really hard to understand. If they were offered a 1st and a 2nd DB failed.

CG shunned them, not Kurt Overhardt.

LeBrun: Yes, that was the unanswered question after a bombshell of a trade. I reached out to Cutter Gauthier's agent, Kurt Overhardt, earlier on Tuesday and I asked him that very question and here's what he was ready to say.

He said, quote:

"It's a private issue between the player and his family. We definitely had conversations with Philadelphia, very respectable conversations with Philadelphia about it. We've chosen just to take the high road and leave all that information private."


KO has also said he met with Flyers mgmt in Sweden.
- PT21

The Flyers dispute that his agent met with them in Sweden and it was confirmed by sources such as Elliotte Friedman that he did not.

No poop it's not college football. Still helped Logan Cooley sign with Chipotle as a brand ambassador. Snuggerud is staying in college another year because he also got a deal. Do you think they made it worth his while to forgo signing an ELC with the Blues? Opportunities are clearly there for high end NHL prospects. Not nearly enough as other college sports, but college hockey was not all that popular of a route for young players until about five minutes ago.
- TobyFlenderson

Jimmy not being NHL ready played into him going back as well.

CG shunned them, not Kurt Overhardt.

LeBrun: Yes, that was the unanswered question after a bombshell of a trade. I reached out to Cutter Gauthier's agent, Kurt Overhardt, earlier on Tuesday and I asked him that very question and here's what he was ready to say.

He said, quote:

"It's a private issue between the player and his family. We definitely had conversations with Philadelphia, very respectable conversations with Philadelphia about it. We've chosen just to take the high road and leave all that information private."


KO has also said he met with Flyers mgmt in Sweden.
- PT21

The Flyers dispute that his agent met with them in Sweden and it was confirmed by sources such as Elliotte Friedman that he did not.

Are they closer to being a contending team…of course they are. But are they close ? No they are not.
- landros 2

Correct. They took a step in a long journey, but a necessary step.

Just saw Flyers signed Rizzo? That’s good.

We have gone through this ad nauseum have we not amigo?

But to recap, I have suggested that sometimes it is prudent to not provide a reason. If his reason is: I see the Flyers in the middle of "nowhere, doing nothing" (quoting an old Traffic song) but I don't want to say so because it will just add more fuel to fire and I want to move on - then it is prudent to not provide a reason.
- PT21

If that is the case or some form of it then Philly would smartly tell him enjoy the 4 years of college. Take the risk and losses of earnings.

If he chooses to do that it’s well within his rights under the cba. And nothing Philly can do about it.


But there’s a reason no top 5 pick would do that in today’s economic nhl. You are correct that cg played a game of chicken. And he won. Because Philly as a whole has too many old school front office voices. As spewed by their he doesn’t want to be here we don’t want him narrative.


It’s immature unprofessional and down right stupid what Philly did.

This exact issue was talked about incessantly just 3 months ago. "Cliff" was right there.

"“I really don’t know,” general manager Danny Briere told The Athletic. “I kept asking Kurt over and over two questions: Why can’t we meet with them so we can at least just present our case and tell him what we’re trying to do and how we are building this team and saw Cutter being a core part of it? And the other question is: OK, if you don’t want to play in Philadelphia, can we know the reason? We couldn’t get an answer on either one.”

But hey, keep forgetting, keep arguing. In a way, his circular trajectory mirrors the Flyers, except the latter is by design and makes business sense.
- PT21

You don't seem to be able to discern that asking and requesting a meeting with the agent is not the same as actually meeting with the agent and actually presenting their case. LOL

The Flyers dispute that his agent met with them in Sweden and it was confirmed by sources such as Elliotte Friedman that he did not.
- MJL

provide a link where friedman said this or any other sources.

so in this instance you take the flyers word when almost every other tie you think they are liars.

The Flyers dispute that his agent met with them in Sweden and it was confirmed by sources such as Elliotte Friedman that he did not.
- MJL

Even if one time they didn’t meet with philly doesn’t mean the representatives shunned them. Maybe they were busy. They had a history of meeting with philly outside of maybe one time. Hardly shunning them.

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more skilled youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

Torts will be back, but I think the team will look very different. My hope is next year they will be younger and as a result I expect the Flyers to not make the playoffs next season either, perhaps finishing even lower in the standings. One thing the Flyers must do (it's really a non negotiable for me) is to hire a Power Play coach. They just need an average PP at this point.

The story doesn’t add up because if there were issues to begin with why would he want to be signed to his elc in march? Whatever “issues” he had certainly weren’t enough to make him not sign.

This is logically a case of an immature kid pissed he didn’t get his way and signed when he thought he either deserved it or was entitled to it.


Not professional and clear proof db was correct on not signing him at that moment
- Stayin alive

You have the gist of it correct in why he ultimately didn't sign but that information and his reaction was not present when he wanted to sign in March of 23. All of that happened after that and the Flyers said no. The Flyers screwed up and should've signed him at that point.

Another disappointing season, despite some promising times. Right now everybody is bashing Torts, especially the usual suspect(s). I will try to find some positive points from this season. Torts may not be the guy the Flyers need in the future, but for the first time in years the Flyers didn't sleep walk through the 1st period. They actually bought in and played with structure, they didn't stand around and puck watch as much as before, they played better positionally and they were able to finally get the puck through the neutral zone. Hakstol, Gordon, AV and Yeo couldn't break the Flyers out of those bad habits, but Torts did for the most part. The Flyers needed a disciplinarian as a coach and this time it was Torts. I highly doubt that Torts will be around after next season and who knows what changes this off season brings? Obviously, something has to be done with the PP. I'm still amazed the Flyers won as many games as they did with the worlds worst PP. Let's see what moves Briere has up his sleeve this summer?

That's the end of my rant. It's now baseball time!
- Thors-Hammer

Another well said rant. Haha. But god points!

But they don’t have a right to talk to him. He had representation. That means all communications go through his agent. They’re dissing his agent by trying to circumvent going through the proper channel.

His agent is doing Cutter a disservice if he lets them walk over him.
- Minnyhock

Of course they have a right to talk to the player they own the draft rights to. They're not dissing his agent by bypassing him when his agent refuses to talk to the Flyers.

Again with Frost it’s the consistency. When you produce Torts tends to over look things like that. TK is a perfect example.
- landros 2

Yes, and I thought Frost turned the corner but clearly down the stretch here he showed he really has not. In the end I would like the Flyers to trade Frost and Farabee this off-season, the Flyers can do better than what both offer.

No, they didn't take steps to anywhere. This season actually hurt their position for the future.
- MJL

How has it hurt the Flyers position in the future? Please be specific.

Correct. They took a step in a long journey, but a necessary step.
- jd250

There was no legitimate step to anything in the future. They actually hurt themselves this year. they've put themselves in the worst position an NHL team can be in.