They've been horse whipped to an inch of their lives to go 110% all year. They've played way beyond their capabilities and limits.
Torts thought they had even more to give -- another level lol. Crazy. - Tomahawk
I laughed when I heard that. He may be well aware of it but when he said they have to learn that at this time of the year, you have to find another gear. Have to have the balls. I'm like, is this guy kidding me? I understand a coach pushing his team but there are limits. Now he's backing off of all of that.
Easier to fight back when you're on your game. Flyers are clearly not right now.
This is what quitting looks like:
I didn't see anything that looked like that in the Flyers games recently. - Tomahawk
Okay, I'll just coast around out here for a bit. Oh there's the puck, that's too much work. You can have it! I'm amazed how so many don't know what quitting looks like.
Just look around the league. What coach in the league is even close to Torts in his antics. It might have worked 20 years ago. Coaches get heated and sometimes go off once in a while but there is rarely the same stuff hanging around like it does Torts. - J35Bacher
I think it’s a combination of it all. Vets used to run the league and they were raised on hard work and tough love. His antics could work then. But even beyond hockey, it’s just a different time. Kids run the league now. Is the league softer? I don’t know… is the world softer? I don’t know that either. The point is things are changing beyond any one person or one league’s control and you have to adapt.
MJL and others are correct in that the league has passed by Torts, I can accept that. Do I agree with “letting the inmates run the asylum” as I put it? Personally, no. but it’s a matter of adapt or get left behind, whether you agree with it or not.
And that can be said with so many things. You have to find that sweet spot of injecting your beliefs and balancing how everyone is going to react to it. As a parent I’m finding that I’m playing that balancing act too sometimes.
Maybe I’m just getting older and think players should stop being soft and let the coaches coach, and I do think that. But I’m cognizant enough to realize that I might need to just get over it.
Who really knows what happens behind closed doors. Alls we can see is how they look on the ice and to me they aren't playing like a bunch of dudes who are defying their coach. Maybe the buy-in is only at 90% now because they've had the fire lit under them for so long that they can't feel the heat anymore, who knows... but it still doesn't look to me to be wholesale quit.
Happy to agree to disagree. - Tomahawk
Way to be diplomatic. Not my style.
Over the years, so many Flyers fans think this teams issues have been about work ethic and effort. It never has been. Even the bad teams of recent years have played hard. So many situations in hockey mirror effort. This team's issues have always been talent, the biggest issue and bad coaching.
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Apr 11 @ 5:20 PM ET
Lol, so supposedly the current Coyotes owner could be guaranteed to get his team back in expansion if the sale to SLC goes thru, pending the Scottsdale arena gets built.
So next round of expansion could be Phoenix and Atlanta haha
I think it’s a combination of it all. Vets used to run the league and they were raised on hard work and tough love. His antics could work then. But even beyond hockey, it’s just a different time. Kids run the league now. Is the league softer? I don’t know… is the world softer? I don’t know that either. The point is things are changing beyond any one person or one league’s control and you have to adapt.
MJL and others are correct in that the league has passed by Torts, I can accept that. Do I agree with “letting the inmates run the asylum” as I put it? Personally, no. but it’s a matter of adapt or get left behind, whether you agree with it or not.
And that can be said with so many things. You have to find that sweet spot of injecting your beliefs and balancing how everyone is going to react to it. As a parent I’m finding that I’m playing that balancing act too sometimes.
Maybe I’m just getting older and think players should stop being soft and let the coaches coach, and I do think that. But I’m cognizant enough to realize that I might need to just get over it. - anti-lame
Over the years, so many Flyers fans think this teams issues have been about work ethic and effort. It never has been. Even the bad teams of recent years have played hard. So many situations in hockey mirror effort. This team's issues have always been talent, the biggest issue and bad coaching. - MJL
work ethic and effort have been problems. do you have any proof or facts they have not been?
talent is the biggest yes. doesn't mean the only issue cliff
Players have to coddled now. Torts can't do that. - WhiskeyMan
No, they don't have to be coddled. The old school techniques of calling players out in the press, repeated scratching and brow beating just aren't effective anymore. Players just want to be treated fairly and professionally. In many instances, Tortorella fails to do that.
No, they don't have to be coddled. The old school techniques of calling players out in the press, repeated scratching and brow beating just aren't effective anymore. Players just want to be treated fairly and professionally. In many instances, Tortorella fails to do that. - MJL
Posters just want to be treated fairly and professionally. In many instances, cliff fails to do that.
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Apr 11 @ 5:33 PM ET
No, they don't have to be coddled. The old school techniques of calling players out in the press, repeated scratching and brow beating just aren't effective anymore. Players just want to be treated fairly and professionally. In many instances, Tortorella fails to do that. - MJL
Think the worst is his preference for no one-on-one's... so everybody gets singled out in group meetings and video sessions. Might make sense from his standpoint, turning everything into a group teaching moment... but christ that would be such a humiliating and infuriating experience for most people.
Think the worst is his preference for no one-on-one's... so everybody gets singled out in group meetings and video sessions. Might make sense from his standpoint, turning everything into a group teaching moment... but christ that would be such a humiliating and infuriating experience for most people. - Tomahawk
He's such a phony in how he talks about how he wants to promote relationships and how he values them. What he values is confrontation and he obviously gets off on it.
Who really knows what happens behind closed doors. Alls we can see is how they look on the ice and to me they aren't playing like a bunch of dudes who are defying their coach. Maybe the buy-in is only at 90% now because they've had the fire lit under them for so long that they can't feel the heat anymore, who knows... but it still doesn't look to me to be wholesale quit.
Happy to agree to disagree. - Tomahawk
Good.
Now explain to us why you keep writing 'tho', like a teenage girl on kik.
