The players didn't quit. They've been completely gassed for awhile now. All the Coots and balls stuff was just Torts trying to get blood from a stone. Notice how he suddenly changed to a more understanding, softer tone after the recent drubbings.
- Tomahawk

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.

Depending on the corrupt area in the US, basically teaching nothing of importance. I just saw they are releasing old board games and making them less difficult and competitive for Gen Z.

Luckily last night I just spent the night helping the 15 year old middle child with her debate homework. They had to create a political party that focused on current issues and where the party stands. The questionnaire they had to answer really showed the bias how they were worded and what the agenda was. I did the best I could to help her find her OWN opinion based on pros/cons, but I could clearly see what she thought at first was based on misinformation spread with nothing to back it up with.
- Glak18

Indoctrination centers in many places. Good thing my kids are out of school.
I couldn’t take my kids being taught some of the nonsense that is put out there today.

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.
- bmeltzer

sounds like accountability to me

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.
- bmeltzer

Thanks for this.

Good to see the timeline throughout the season. Lots of antics as to be expected but to what end? This certainly doesn't feel like a nice ending to a season in which the Flyers held a playoff spot for like 87.8% of it, does it?

Remember when the Flyers finally said "rebuild" and when questioned about it, Coots said that's not what he signed up for.

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.
- bmeltzer

Yeah, I'm sure he's lost some respect inside the room and within the org with the way he's behaved.

But like you said, it's not at mutiny/quit level yet.

It seems he's burning his own tenure at both ends too... he'd better get upstairs before the team mutinies/quits on him for real, or the rest of the triumvirate grows tired of his theatrics.

sounds like accountability to me
- anti-lame

Self-accountability is not the same as walking back, apologizing or completely changing a previous statement. It's taking self-accountability in the first place.

And he's still taken none as relates to Couturier. Again, in November, he said he was aware of the risk of Couturier hitting a wall from overuse after two back surgeries. Because it was an only a hypothetical consequence at that time. Once the consequence became real, he owned NONE of it. Briere was the one who addressed it publicly that Couturier had been overplayed and also tried to play through injuries (thankfully, none of which were related to his back).

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.
- bmeltzer

An average coach charitably who is schizophrenic to boot. That's who this organization has hitched their wagon to.

Had no choice, in my opinion.

After the Chicago game, he was asked about whether he had the team prepared to play after the seven-game gauntlet. First question he was asked. He shot it down in two sentences, saying the preparation wasn't the issue and the team was ready. That was on March 30.

March 31 was an off-day.

April 1 was the 4-3 overtime loss to the Islanders. Afterward, he threw players under the bus.

April 2 was an off-day.

April 3, Tortorella says he meant what he said after the Islanders game BUT he does a complete 180 on his March 30 comments. He said that he hadn't had his team ready to play the last new games and it was his biggest frustration both with himself and the team.

Mind you, the whole Couturier thing hadn't gone over well. Back in November, when things were going well for the team and for Couturier individually, Charlie O'Connor asked Tortorella about load management for Couturier, playing 20 mins a night almost every game. Tortorella said he was aware of it but basically, the games were dictating that Couturier play all the minutes he could handle.

It's midseason. Couturier is essentially putting up three points per every four games (29 points after his 40th game played. Averaging 20:03 of ice time per game. He hits his first slump of the season. Missed two games due to an lower-body injury. Production dropped off a cliff from there.

Tortorella never owed any of it. Not one bit. He shot down any suggestion that Couturier had been overplayed. Got in face on the bench. Demoted him to the fourth line. Eventually scratched him two games. Meanwhile, at "Tortorella's choosing" and after four-plus months of insisting there wouldn't be a captain named again this season, Couturier is named captain.

Without some sort of a rational explanation for why it was 100 percent on the player, Tortorella not only refused to address it. He ducked his own media availabilities several times.

He sent out assistant coaches to talk in his place because he "didn't feel" like talking about it or he had extended family members at the game and didn't want to spare even the few minutes that a press conference takes. NO other coach in the NHL does that. None. Not even Darryl Sutter. Sutter would mumble a one-sentence (or one word) answer but he'd still show up.

The players had to field questions, but the head coach didn't. The coach throws the backup goalie under the bus. Before the next game, he apologizes for refusing to answer the question and then walking out of the press conference. ALL he had to say was what he eventually said. "The effort was there. It wasn't his night."

Everyone knew Sandstrom was god-awful in that game and, unfortunately, no more a viable option down the stretch than Cal Petersen. Good guys. They make the effort. But not adequate starters in a stretch game. Just protect the player publicly, which is what a coach is supposed to do. Tortorella apologized and owned up to the lack of professionalism, which was 100 percent the right thing to do.

But when you add you up owning no part of a negative effect to burning the candle at both ends with Couturier (when there was an actual consequence to it, and the Flyers had hit the wall big time -- and not just when it was a hypothetical question about what could happen, because it hadn't happened yet), demoting and scratching his new captain (and then refusing to discuss it), the Sandstrom press conference question and apology, the "lack the balls" press conference after the Islanders, self-absolution about post-"gauntlet" preparation being an issue and then, a few days later, a 180 swing to a taking ownership of it.... well, there's a lot of things Tortorella mishandled and then had to scramble to try and repair.

That doesn't take the things he's done well. I also don't think there's an open revolt against the coach in the room. BUT I do think he's damaged his hold and that none of this was productive or necessary.

Just my take.
- bmeltzer

Torts Circus

An average coach charitably who is schizophrenic to boot. That's who this organization has hitched their wagon to.
- MJL

He is the "spiritual leader" of the franchise...

It really just seems like Danny needs to just cut ties with Torts no matter what. The fact the last 2 seasons have been more about the coach then the team proves no progression is going to happen while this is the case.

This organization needs to look in the mirror and finally decide what the team is going to be, just poop or get off the pot.

Self-accountability is not the same as walking back, apologizing or completely changing a previous statement. It's taking self-accountability in the first place.

And he's still taken none as relates to Couturier. Again, in November, he said he was aware of the risk of Couturier hitting a wall from overuse after two back surgeries. Because it was an only a hypothetical consequence at that time. Once the consequence became real, he owned NONE of it. Briere was the one who addressed it publicly that Couturier had been overplayed and also tried to play through injuries (thankfully, none of which were related to his back).
- bmeltzer

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but the idea of him apologizing or "walking back" as you put it are things I never thought I'd see Torts do in a million years. I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes but I think it's unfair to say he never owned it, even if it's after the fact.

as for Coots, did he overplay him? maybe. do we need to see what we have in our top paid #1 C captain? absolutely. i just hate the idea we have to walk on egg shells with sean for the next 6 years considering he's our leader and one of our best players. I fear he is a potential buyout candidate before his deal is over.

thanks for the response

Self-accountability is not the same as walking back, apologizing or completely changing a previous statement. It's taking self-accountability in the first place.

And he's still taken none as relates to Couturier. Again, in November, he said he was aware of the risk of Couturier hitting a wall from overuse after two back surgeries. Because it was an only a hypothetical consequence at that time. Once the consequence became real, he owned NONE of it. Briere was the one who addressed it publicly that Couturier had been overplayed and also tried to play through injuries (thankfully, none of which were related to his back).
- bmeltzer

At that point maybe briere has to talk coots into sitting instead of playing through injury, he does have a long contract.

It really just seems like Danny needs to just cut ties with Torts no matter what. The fact the last 2 seasons have been more about the coach then the team proves no progression is going to happen while this is the case.

This organization needs to look in the mirror and finally decide what the team is going to be, just poop or get off the pot.
- Glak18

Agreed, but it is not happening. I think Torts is here for at least next season. Danny can't cut the cord b/c Jones and Hilf love the guy.

I still think it's funny that folks love the progress this season. What progress? The division is garbage and then how many more wins do they have compared to last season? There are positives but I rather the team focus on hockey without having a draconian dinosaur as a HC that just causes nonstop tantrum sideshows.

Agreed, but it is not happening. I think Torts is here for at least next season. Danny can't cut the cord b/c Jones and Hilf love the guy.

I still think it's funny that folks love the progress this season. What progress? The division is garbage and then how many more wins do they have compared to last season? There are positives but I rather the team focus on hockey without having a draconian dinosaur as a HC that just causes nonstop tantrum sideshows.
- Flyfly

the bright side is that the players will likely be happier with anyone they hire after him. maybe that's the jolt they need

the bright side is that the players will likely be happier with anyone they hire after him. maybe that's the jolt they need

- anti-lame

LOL, there is one positive!

LOL, there is one positive!
- Flyfly

they can hand out "I Survived Torts and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt" merch to the players.

in all seriousness, i could see them uniting in a Post-Torts world.

2026 P.T.

Yeah, I'm sure he's lost some respect inside the room and within the org with the way he's behaved.

But like you said, it's not at mutiny/quit level yet.

It seems he's burning his own tenure at both ends too... he'd better get upstairs before the team mutinies/quits on him for real, or the rest of the triumvirate grows tired of his theatrics.
- Tomahawk

I hope the “ triumvirate” addresses these issues at the end of season press conference. They all need to be clear to the fan base on how they assess this past season and what year 2 of the rebuild will look like.
This can’t all be blamed on a coach again and add more years to have a chance to be a contending team!

they can hand out "I Survived Torts and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt" merch to the players.

in all seriousness, i could see them uniting in a Post-Torts world.
- anti-lame

I could as well.

Time will tell...

It really just seems like Danny needs to just cut ties with Torts no matter what. The fact the last 2 seasons have been more about the coach then the team proves no progression is going to happen while this is the case.

This organization needs to look in the mirror and finally decide what the team is going to be, just poop or get off the pot.
- Glak18

Danny doesn't have the authority. That's what's messed up about all of this.

Danny doesn't have the authority. That's what's messed up about all of this.
- Tomahawk

Agreed 100%

I hope the “ triumvirate” addresses these issues at the end of season press conference. They all need to be clear to the fan base on how they assess this past season and what year 2 of the rebuild will look like.
This can’t all be blamed on a coach again and add more years to have a chance to be a contending team!
- Hosher12

The problem is that the vast majority of the fan base outside of this message board is hanging from Torts' nuts as if he was the fountain of life itself.

They have brought into the culture and standard nonsense hook line and sinker.

Danny doesn't have the authority. That's what's messed up about all of this.
- Tomahawk

can Torts healthy scratch Danny? maybe he'd respect him more if he pulls him into the room to confront him.

"No, no Danny I'm not going anywhere. But dammit it I like where your head's at and I love your fire!"

The problem is that the vast majority of the fan base outside of this message board is hanging from Torts' nuts as if he was the fountain of life itself.

They have brought into the culture and standard nonsense hook line and sinker.
- MBFlyerfan

the thing with Torts is some of his antics could work with a different group but once he realizes it doesn't work (York) he should be backing off. He's done a little of that lately but when I say "lately" i really mean "when it's already too late"

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