Bob wanted out. I don't think they wanted to trade him, but he didn't want to play second fiddle to the space cadet. And quite frankly, until last season Bob had done nothing in the playoffs.
- Phillywhiteout

Eh, he's had a couple of good playoffs and bad playoffs but FLA is the best team he's had around him. Bob has won 24 playoff games the last 5 years. The Flyers haven't even qualified for the playoffs in 3 years (possibly going on 4).

Bob didn't want to play second fiddle to the space cadet who was signed for a ridiculous 9 years. They didn't want to trade him but they also didn't want to play him, there was no path to him starting barring a Bryz melting down.

If Farabee is a top line winger in this league, what is Tippett? Both guys are tied in points and Tippett has played 4 less games.

A team isnt going to wave a magic wand and go from a non playoff, non bubble team and instantly become a playoff team overnight. I would have expected them to explore all options with all players. If Walkers price fit within that range they felt they could sign him and continue with the rebuild without straying too far off the path or more realistically paths to accomplish it then the FO would be foolish and not do their due diligence. The end result was that it didnt fit into their plan and Walker was traded - no harm no foul as far as Im concerned


- jackfrost

No kidding. The path I want the Flyers to adopt is a patient approach focusing on drafting and developing players. The Flyers aren't going anywhere without adding elite talent. Something they haven't been able to do for over a decade. With Walker, the point is that it wasn't a situation where they said, we're rebuilding and he's a player we can move for a future asset. They wanted to re-sign him. That is the issue

Im sure your opinion of what a rebuild process looks like for a team varies from mine but in my opinion, you cant jettison all your vets, throw the kids into the fire and not have any type of stability along the way and expect a team to become better. That philosophy doesnt work in sports or business, at some point, some of those players in the rebuild mix need to be vets and vets in an area where the FO feels the need for that vet presence weighs more than others be it defense, goaltending or forwards.


- jackfrost

Agreed which is a big reason why I wanted Couturier re-signed. With center being a tough position with a lot of responsibility, and I didn't want younger players such as Frost elevated too high in the lineup and role where it could hurt their development. There is a fine line with that and the Flyers tend to over do that and tilt too far to the vet side.

For all we know SC could have a relapse and not start the season or become less effective - this is why I feel they have to explore that option of resigning TK - whther they do it or not is how that move fits in the grand sceme. Im just not the type that feels that a rebuild is wipe out all the vets at once and replace them with kids - guidance and experience has to still be around. Im not on their "call for opinions" list and no one on this board is so Ill give them the benefit of doubt they have multiple scenarios already mapped up some that no one on here even suspects


- jackfrost

Couturier is a center and Konecny is a winger. The Flyers have established NHL wingers in Farabee and Tippett. Foerster is for a young player, very responsible in tow way play. Not the same situation as with center. Exploring a trade of Konecny is the right player here. It is the best asset they have that they can move for a high level return if they can find the right deal.
The Flyers haven't earned any benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

Lets remember - this years team with its roster was never supposed to be holding onto a playoff spot this late into the season or even come close to it but going from what last years team alone was and what it currently is as a bubble team for this season caught everyone off guard for this season itself - as I stated - Im okay with how things are progressing.


- jackfrost

Doesn't factor in for me. This is not a talentless team. They just needed structure. Tortorella has provided that. Yet the reality is that they're a below .500 team. Fortunate that a team like NJ had a down season.
I have to be able to see a path to cup contention. Right now, with Tortorella involved, I don't see that happening. The style of play that they employ a long with being one of the worst coaches you could have for young player development. Does not give me confidence. Combined with how this franchise always operates. Leaves me with a lot of doubt.

Next year I expect more as they have proven with a horrendous PP and all these kids who have performed well with a season under their belt that has included a playoff run experience to go up to the next level with additions and subtractions but they have been doing as they stated - building from the Defense Out
- jackfrost

Not that I don't think that playoff experience has value but it's oversold in importance by this fan base. It in and of itself is unlikely to be a springboard to anything. It's all about talent. The Flyers are able to get good players. They need elite talent.

The Belarusian has landed.

It's a fact that Ersson is an NHL rookie.
- MJL

Rookie by nhl definition sure. But let’s not kid ourselves here. Dude is almost 25 years old. He’s had 2 ahl seasons and played in multiple years in nhl. Let’s not act like he’s some 21 year old or like when hart was a rookie

No kidding. The path I want the Flyers to adopt is a patient approach focusing on drafting and developing players. The Flyers aren't going anywhere without adding elite talent. Something they haven't been able to do for over a decade. With Walker, the point is that it wasn't a situation where they said, we're rebuilding and he's a player we can move for a future asset. They wanted to re-sign him. That is the issue




Agreed which is a big reason why I wanted Couturier re-signed. With center being a tough position with a lot of responsibility, and I didn't want younger players such as Frost elevated too high in the lineup and role where it could hurt their development. There is a fine line with that and the Flyers tend to over do that and tilt too far to the vet side.




Couturier is a center and Konecny is a winger. The Flyers have established NHL wingers in Farabee and Tippett. Foerster is for a young player, very responsible in tow way play. Not the same situation as with center. Exploring a trade of Konecny is the right player here. It is the best asset they have that they can move for a high level return if they can find the right deal.
The Flyers haven't earned any benefit of the doubt in my opinion.




Doesn't factor in for me. This is not a talentless team. They just needed structure. Tortorella has provided that. Yet the reality is that they're a below .500 team. Fortunate that a team like NJ had a down season.
I have to be able to see a path to cup contention. Right now, with Tortorella involved, I don't see that happening. The style of play that they employ a long with being one of the worst coaches you could have for young player development. Does not give me confidence. Combined with how this franchise always operates. Leaves me with a lot of doubt.





Not that I don't think that playoff experience has value but it's oversold in importance by this fan base. It in and of itself is unlikely to be a springboard to anything. It's all about talent. The Flyers are able to get good players. They need elite talent.
- MJL

You fake. You didn’t want coots resigned to be some vet leader. “He’s ABSOLUTELY a 1c “ “you ABSOLUTELY resign him”. “ you BUILD around him”

You could’ve easily signed a vet to be a leader short term and cheap. You wanted coots because you suck him off to this day.

Still waiting for him to rebound are

Rookie by nhl definition sure. But let’s not kid ourselves here. Dude is almost 25 years old. He’s had 2 ahl seasons and played in multiple years in nhl. Let’s not act like he’s some 21 year old or like when hart was a rookie
- Stayin alive

He played 5 games for the phantoms in 21-22. 42 last season

He played only 12 games in the nhl last season.

No kidding. The path I want the Flyers to adopt is a patient approach focusing on drafting and developing players. The Flyers aren't going anywhere without adding elite talent. Something they haven't been able to do for over a decade. With Walker, the point is that it wasn't a situation where they said, we're rebuilding and he's a player we can move for a future asset. They wanted to re-sign him. That is the issue




Agreed which is a big reason why I wanted Couturier re-signed. With center being a tough position with a lot of responsibility, and I didn't want younger players such as Frost elevated too high in the lineup and role where it could hurt their development. There is a fine line with that and the Flyers tend to over do that and tilt too far to the vet side.




Couturier is a center and Konecny is a winger. The Flyers have established NHL wingers in Farabee and Tippett. Foerster is for a young player, very responsible in tow way play. Not the same situation as with center. Exploring a trade of Konecny is the right player here. It is the best asset they have that they can move for a high level return if they can find the right deal.
The Flyers haven't earned any benefit of the doubt in my opinion.




Doesn't factor in for me. This is not a talentless team. They just needed structure. Tortorella has provided that. Yet the reality is that they're a below .500 team. Fortunate that a team like NJ had a down season.
I have to be able to see a path to cup contention. Right now, with Tortorella involved, I don't see that happening. The style of play that they employ a long with being one of the worst coaches you could have for young player development. Does not give me confidence. Combined with how this franchise always operates. Leaves me with a lot of doubt.





Not that I don't think that playoff experience has value but it's oversold in importance by this fan base. It in and of itself is unlikely to be a springboard to anything. It's all about talent. The Flyers are able to get good players. They need elite talent.
- MJL

I am not as negative but I want the same patient approach to a rebuild. This is a four more year process at least. Danny and Torts have gained some of my respect and confidence since the bottom fell out thanks to Fletcher. The trades Danny has pulled off and the progress made by many individual players has me with a glimmer of hope. Signing TK long term would be a mistake. Keeping Torts past next season would be a mistake. If they trade TK (and a lesser degree Laughton) in the summer, I’ll be happy. I understand Rome hasn’t been built here since the gosh darn 60s. But their goal needs to be to build a contender. Give themselves a real chance. Danny has shown me nothing to get too upset about yet. I get the post traumatic stress caused by past regimes but I am personally still giving this group a chance.

Rookie by nhl definition sure. But let’s not kid ourselves here. Dude is almost 25 years old. He’s had 2 ahl seasons and played in multiple years in nhl. Let’s not act like he’s some 21 year old or like when hart was a rookie
- Stayin alive

As usual, you're short on facts. It is quite common for a goaltender to come into the NHL at around the age of 24 or later. Igor Shesterkin is an example. Who didn't see his first NHL action until 24 years of age and didn't become a full time starter until 26 years of age. Thatcher Demko, Jordan Binnington, Ilya Sorokin and Stuart Skinner are other examples. Ersson has played 47 AHL games and 57 NHL games to this point. He is a rookie in every sense. You're wrong to say he is not. Age doesn't matter, experience does. Not sure why some don't get that. You need to educate yourself.

You fake. You didn’t want coots resigned to be some vet leader. “He’s ABSOLUTELY a 1c “ “you ABSOLUTELY resign him”. “ you BUILD around him”

You could’ve easily signed a vet to be a leader short term and cheap. You wanted coots because you suck him off to this day.

Still waiting for him to rebound are
- Stayin alive

You're a liar with zero credibility. No matter how many times you post this, it won't be true. The fact that you have to resort to childish and idiotic rhetoric is the giveaway. Again, you display your fetish for having to include ABSOLUTELY. You don't have the intelligence to grasp that I have posted in response to you, at least two dozen times, including in our original conversations, that anyone who believes or believed that Couturier should've been traded, was not wrong. So how can it be ABSOLUTELY?


Here is the deal. I have addressed this with you more time than I can count. Your baseless claims have no standing. I challenge you to provide the evidence. If you can't, then there is no reason for me to further discuss this. No trolls can provide you any support. End of story. Put up or shut up. While you're at it, learn simple basics such as what a rookie is.

You're a liar with zero credibility. No matter how many times you post this, it won't be true. The fact that you have to resort to childish and idiotic rhetoric is the giveaway. Again, you display your fetish for having to include ABSOLUTELY. You don't have the intelligence to grasp that I have posted in response to you, at least two dozen times, including in our original conversations, that anyone who believes or believed that Couturier should've been traded, was not wrong. So how can it be ABSOLUTELY?


Here is the deal. I have addressed this with you more time than I can count. Your baseless claims have no standing. I challenge you to provide the evidence. If you can't, then there is no reason for me to further discuss this. No trolls can provide you any support. End of story. Put up or shut up. While you're at it, learn simple basics such as what a rookie is.
- MJL

Well rested this morning Cliff? Oh no, I've fallen into the Cliff trap and can't get out!

You're a liar with zero credibility. No matter how many times you post this, it won't be true. The fact that you have to resort to childish and idiotic rhetoric is the giveaway. Again, you display your fetish for having to include ABSOLUTELY. You don't have the intelligence to grasp that I have posted in response to you, at least two dozen times, including in our original conversations, that anyone who believes or believed that Couturier should've been traded, was not wrong. So how can it be ABSOLUTELY?


Here is the deal. I have addressed this with you more time than I can count. Your baseless claims have no standing. I challenge you to provide the evidence. If you can't, then there is no reason for me to further discuss this. No trolls can provide you any support. End of story. Put up or shut up. While you're at it, learn simple basics such as what a rookie is.
- MJL

For a long time you were adamant that Couturier should be resigned. Indeed, in your own words, it was a "no-brainer" (image posted of post from exactly 3 years ago below).

If Farabee is a top line winger in this league, what is Tippett? Both guys are tied in points and Tippett has played 4 less games.
- roenick97

which player is coming off a recent major injury?

For a long time you were adamant that Couturier should be resigned. Indeed, in your own words, it was a "no-brainer" (image posted of post from exactly 3 years ago below).


- PT21

i could trade couturier but i'd also resign him for the 3rd/4th line

For a long time you were adamant that Couturier should be resigned. Indeed, in your own words, it was a "no-brainer" (image posted of post from exactly 3 years ago below).


- PT21

That's not news. I have admitted time after time that my opinion was that I wanted Couturier re-signed. I have never ducked that. I have also said that anyone, including you that wanted Couturier traded to get future assets was not wrong. Those are the facts.

That's not news. I have admitted time after time that my opinion was that I wanted Couturier re-signed. I have never ducked that. I have also said that anyone, including you that wanted Couturier traded to get future assets was not wrong. Those are the facts.
- MJL

No one can believe that an pov is a "no-brainer" and also simultaneously believe that a different pov Y is justifiable ("not wrong").

A no-brainer rules out the possibility of ambiguity in the person's mind which would allow for the space for the different opinion of someone else to be justifiable.

No one can believe that an pov is a "no-brainer" and also simultaneously believe that a different pov Y is justifiable ("not wrong").

A no-brainer rules out the possibility of ambiguity in the person's mind which would allow for the space for the different opinion of someone else to be justifiable.
- PT21

That's incorrect. You apparently don't know what a no brainer is. It signifies that it was an easy opinion to make for me. That I didn't need to give it deep in-depth thought to make a decision on whether I wanted Couturier re-signed. It does not rule out ambiguity at all. Saying it is a no brainer does not rule out alternate points of view at all. Good try though.

That's incorrect. You apparently don't know what a no brainer is. It signifies that it was an easy opinion to make for me. That I didn't need to give it deep in-depth thought to make a decision on whether I wanted Couturier re-signed. It does not rule out ambiguity at all. Saying it is a no brainer does not rule out alternate points of view at all. Good try though.
- MJL

Let me break it down for you in terms I would use to explain it to my 5 year old niece:

1. No-brainer statement (in the person's opinion) = doesn't require a brain to see it is true

which implies

2. It cannot be untrue under any circumstances (in the person's opinion). Because if it were untrue under certain circumstances, then you would need a brain to determine when it is true and when it isn't.

which implies

3. It is always true (in the person's opinion)

which implies

4. There are no set of circumstances when it can be false (in the person's opinion)

which implies

4. A pov which disagrees with original statement cannot be justifiable (in the person's opinion) because there are no set of circumstances when the disagreement can hold true.

Let me break it down for you in terms I would use to explain it to my 5 year old niece:

1. No-brainer statement (in the person's opinion) = doesn't require a brain to see it is true

which implies

2. It cannot be untrue under any circumstances (in the person's opinion). Because if it were untrue under certain circumstances, then you would need a brain to determine when it is true and when it isn't.

which implies

3. It is always true (in the person's opinion)

which implies

4. There are no set of circumstances when it can be false (in the person's opinion)

which implies

4. A pov which disagrees with original statement cannot be justifiable (in the person's opinion) because there are no set of circumstances when the disagreement can hold true.
- PT21

Maybe your 5 year old niece is smarter than you are and can understand what a no brainer is. This is another example of an often repeated tactic of yours. Inventing your own definition of what a phrase or figure of speech means and believing your interpretation is the only one.

Here is the definition of a non brainer.


no-brain·er
/ˈnōˈbrānər/
nounINFORMAL
something that requires or involves little or no mental effort.
"the enormous popularity of his TV show makes the book a no-brainer for him"


You'll notice how it says "for him"

What it doesn't say it that there is no other point of view possible or that it means that in his opinion, his point of view is the only correct one.

I know this is difficult for you with your elite education to grasp. Nice try, but you have failed. This has been fun.

Maybe your 5 year old niece is smarter than you are and can understand what a no brainer is. This is another example of an often repeated tactic of yours. Inventing your own definition of what a phrase or figure of speech means and believing your interpretation is the only one.

Here is the definition of a non brainer.


no-brain·er
/ˈnōˈbrānər/
nounINFORMAL
something that requires or involves little or no mental effort.
"the enormous popularity of his TV show makes the book a no-brainer for him"


You'll notice how it says "for him"

What it doesn't say it that there is no other point of view possible or that it means that in his opinion, his point of view is the only correct one.

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- MJL

Yes: little to no mental effort = doesn't require a brain (hence the term "no brainer")

And yes: the "for him" is why I carried the phrase "(in the person's opinion)" in every single statement.

It is like a believer saying: The existence of God is a no-brainer (for me). This doesn't mean that God exists in reality. But in the believer's mind, there cannot be scope for non-existence. He may acknowledge the right of an atheist to hold a different opinion, but he cannot justify atheism itself. He cannot say "atheism may not be wrong"

ANyway, Concrete Cranium: I do not hope for such elementary logical comprehension from you. That ship has sailed.

I suggest you devote your attention to your autobiography, which you should call "The Life of a No-Brainer," and use the proceeds to sue the school that promoted you from 5th to 6th grade.

Later.

Yes: little to no mental effort = doesn't require a brain (hence the term "no brainer")

And yes: the "for him" is why I carried the phrase "(in the person's opinion)" in every single statement.

It is like a believer saying: The existence of God is a no-brainer (for me). This doesn't mean that God exists in reality. But in the believer's mind, there cannot be scope for non-existence. He may acknowledge the right of an atheist to hold a different opinion, but he cannot justify atheism itself. He cannot say "atheism may not be wrong"

ANyway, Concrete Cranium: I do not hope for such elementary logical comprehension from you. That ship has sailed.

I suggest you devote your attention to your autobiography, which you should call "The Life of a No-Brainer," and use the proceeds to sue the school that promoted you from 5th to 6th grade.

Later.
- PT21

It's a disease you have. Taking something so very simple and trying to make it something more complicated. It's the trait of the unintelligent. It's you attempting to show how you're superior in intellect when it's actually the opposite. You're never going to be what you so desperately want to be. The superior intellect, the self proclaimed scholar and academic. That is never going to happen for you. I exposed you and defeated you long ago. You just popped in to try and take another shot. You failed miserably. It's a frequent tactic of a direction the opposite of the right. Instead of attacking the actual content and opinion offered, make it into something it's not. Not going to work. Go back to the drawing board.

Again, another asinine PT21 analogy. This is not an example of a sacred faith of religion. This was analysis of a hockey player and his contract situation. Clearly two different situations.

Speaking of schools. You're the product of the elite education system that has made you into nothing more than an indoctrinated puppet without the ability to actually think for yourself.