The Pens can only make one recall the rest of the season outside of injury replacements. I wouldn't expect them to call anyone up unless they feel they really deserve a look.

Zahirna started out great, but he faded real quick. I imagine there's a good chance he's non tendered. Although they will need bodies in WBS as they'll have even less forward prospects than this year.
- Tojo.

Any idea why the NHL has a limit on call ups? Waivers prevents teams from abusing this for older players, and it's not clear to me what the motivation is for limiting calling up players that aren't waivers eligible.

...where they also had a gentleman's handshake about him coming back in the offseason


Jokes aside, that is a classy move.
- MattStrat

Sorry no he's getting the money currently going to Brett Pesce and Teuvo Teravainen.

Any idea why the NHL has a limit on call ups? Waivers prevents teams from abusing this for older players, and it's not clear to me what the motivation is for limiting calling up players that aren't waivers eligible.
- MickV

Prevents a team from sitting all of their vets for the last two weeks of the season to rest up for the playoffs.

Prevents a team from sitting all of their vets for the last two weeks of the season to rest up for the playoffs.
- BINGO!

Not really though, because the salary cap still applies and you can only have 23 players on the NHL roster.

From Yohe mailbag -

- Jake is liking Carolina, but he is expected to go to free agency and the Penguins are expected to take a run at him. Yohe thinks its a low probability he comes back here, especially if the numbers/term are too high, but its possible.

-More players werent traded at the deadline because of salary. No one wanted to take on salary now, but would be more open to it in the summer when the cap jumps up. Expect some deals in the summer.

-The Penguins are unlikely to shut down our stars early unless they ask to be shut down, which is unlikely.

-Sullivan is likely to return next year unless he wants out. Very unlikely to be fired.

-Penguins want Jagr in an official capacity with the organization

From Yohe mailbag -

- Jake is liking Carolina, but he is expected to go to free agency and the Penguins are expected to take a run at him. Yohe thinks its a low probability he comes back here, especially if the numbers/term are too high, but its possible.

-More players werent traded at the deadline because of salary. No one wanted to take on salary now, but would be more open to it in the summer when the cap jumps up. Expect some deals in the summer.

-The Penguins are unlikely to shut down our stars early unless they ask to be shut down, which is unlikely.

-Sullivan is likely to return next year unless he wants out. Very unlikely to be fired.

-Penguins want Jagr in an official capacity with the organization
- SuperHenderson13

In all seriousness he's probably still more likely to go back to the Pens than he is to sign in Raleigh.

In all seriousness he's probably still more likely to go back to the Pens than he is to sign in Raleigh.
- BINGO!

Cup win + over 10 mill a season for max term could change his mind haha

In all seriousness he's probably still more likely to go back to the Pens than he is to sign in Raleigh.
- BINGO!

Id be interested to know what probability Carolina's management thought they had at retaining him when they traded for him. I know you guys dont like investing big in "rentals". Do you see yourselves offering him an 8 year deal? Thats one of the advantages you have over everyone else unless he's hell bent on going to free agency.

I think he's pretty open. Id expect him to ask for a big number since he's been one of the better values over the last few years.

Id be interested to know what probability Carolina's management thought they had at retaining him when they traded for him. I know you guys dont like investing big in "rentals". Do you see yourselves offering him an 8 year deal? Thats one of the advantages you have over everyone else unless he's hell bent on going to free agency.

I think he's pretty open. Id expect him to ask for a big number since he's been one of the better values over the last few years.
- SuperHenderson13

I think they're open to offering him a big deal but term is going to be a sticking point.

Dundon's philosophy has been to not hold anyone back from negotiating elsewhere regardless of being RFA, UFA, the GM, whatever. They make a valuation of what they think you're worth, and if you want to see if you can get more elsewhere, that's fine. Sometimes they'll match, most often they don't.

Cup win + over 10 mill a season for max term could change his mind haha
- MattStrat

They're not going to sign a guy until he's 38. They're just not.

I don't think that's right. I think they're all comfortable. Nothing worse than a comfortable sports team. They're stagnant. Changing messages and the messenger is 100% mandatory when a team repeatedly under-achieves. The Penguins, since Bylsma, have been way to slow to react to the obvious. The owner coming from Boston is the worst thing that could have happened.
- madmike71

The whole no fighting, no hitting, just let teams run over your goalie and slash your captain in the back but we’re going to put speed game them thing needs to go. Having roughians around in the room, on the ice, at the bar just makes things fun. They never look like they are having much fun.

Id be interested to know what probability Carolina's management thought they had at retaining him when they traded for him. I know you guys dont like investing big in "rentals". Do you see yourselves offering him an 8 year deal? Thats one of the advantages you have over everyone else unless he's hell bent on going to free agency.

I think he's pretty open. Id expect him to ask for a big number since he's been one of the better values over the last few years.
- SuperHenderson13

Since the Canes didn't have to give up a top tier asset in the trade unless they make the Cup final, they probably were willing to make an exception. Has to be a little pressure because they've been knocking on the door for some time now.

Vegas does this though? Or similar to this. LTIR or something.
- jb55

If you go under enough healthy players to field a team, you can use emergency recalls which are still unlimited so long as you have cap space. You just can't use it to sit healthy players. Vegas guys are usually on IR.

From Yohe mailbag -

- Jake is liking Carolina, but he is expected to go to free agency and the Penguins are expected to take a run at him. Yohe thinks its a low probability he comes back here, especially if the numbers/term are too high, but its possible.

-More players werent traded at the deadline because of salary. No one wanted to take on salary now, but would be more open to it in the summer when the cap jumps up. Expect some deals in the summer.

-The Penguins are unlikely to shut down our stars early unless they ask to be shut down, which is unlikely.

-Sullivan is likely to return next year unless he wants out. Very unlikely to be fired.

-Penguins want Jagr in an official capacity with the organization
- SuperHenderson13

Thanks for this. It would be wild if Jake came back. Can't imagine the price going down as he's proving he doesn't need Crosby. Is this Dubas seeing them now and realizing he made a mistake as the team struggles to score and Crosby looks overwhelmed.

Thanks for this. It would be wild if Jake came back. Can't imagine the price going down as he's proving he doesn't need Crosby. Is this Dubas seeing them now and realizing he made a mistake as the team struggles to score and Crosby looks overwhelmed.
- Tojo.

Are they in a playoff spot if they didnt trade him? How about if he didnt get injured leading into being dealt? I dont think its far fetched with how the teams above them have been stinking it up a lot of games haha. Since he was injured there are a number of games they lost by one goal. Even that 7-4 Rangers game was way closer than the score would make anyone who didnt watch think. They all looked depressed vs the Caps the day they found out he was being shipped out. Not sure they lose that game if it wasnt the case. It totally had a major negative impact on Sid and rest of them. Rust was missing for a chunk of those games too. Two best wingers/two thirds of top, very effective line, gone.

Jake also had his young family's roots planted in the Burgh. I dont think he'll be back but wouldn't be shocked if he is haha.

Anyone know if he sold his house?

Are they in a playoff spot if they didnt trade him? How about if he didnt get injured leading into being dealt? I dont think its far fetched with how the teams above them have been stinking it up a lot of games haha. Since he was injured there are a number of games they lost by one goal. Even that 7-4 Rangers game was way closer than the score would make anyone who didnt watch think. They all looked depressed vs the Caps the day they found out he was being shipped out. Not sure they lose that game if it wasnt the case. It totally had a major negative impact on Sid and rest of them. Rust was missing for a chunk of those games too. Two best wingers/two thirds of top, very effective line, gone.

Jake also had his young family's roots planted in the Burgh. I dont think he'll be back but wouldn't be shocked if he is haha.

Anyone know if he sold his house?
- MattStrat

Wouldn't be surprised if it's renting it to Bunting for the remainder of the season, I've seen that happen before with players down here in Tampa unless the wife and kid stayed behind.

Are they in a playoff spot if they didnt trade him? How about if he didnt get injured leading into being dealt? I dont think its far fetched with how the teams above them have been stinking it up a lot of games haha. Since he was injured there are a number of games they lost by one goal. Even that 7-4 Rangers game was way closer than the score would make anyone who didnt watch think. They all looked depressed vs the Caps the day they found out he was being shipped out. Not sure they lose that game if it wasnt the case. It totally had a major negative impact on Sid and rest of them. Rust was missing for a chunk of those games too. Two best wingers/two thirds of top, very effective line, gone.

Jake also had his young family's roots planted in the Burgh. I dont think he'll be back but wouldn't be shocked if he is haha.

Anyone know if he sold his house?
- MattStrat

I think they proved in the 50+ games before Jake got hurt that if he'd been in the lineup they'd just have found other ways to lose those games.

The whole no fighting, no hitting, just let teams run over your goalie and slash your captain in the back but we’re going to put speed game them thing needs to go. Having roughians around in the room, on the ice, at the bar just makes things fun. They never look like they are having much fun.
- Grinder47

The Pens frequently looked like fools under Bylsma. To his credit, Sullivan got them under control. But I agree, I've hated the passivity of their game for years. Watching our best players get abused with no response sucks. Even worse, they're the ones that have to stand up for guys.

I think they proved in the 50+ games before Jake got hurt that if he'd been in the lineup they'd just have found other ways to lose those games.
- MickV

Right.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's renting it to Bunting for the remainder of the season, I've seen that happen before with players down here in Tampa unless the wife and kid stayed behind.
- j.boyd919

Interesting.

Are they in a playoff spot if they didnt trade him? How about if he didnt get injured leading into being dealt? I dont think its far fetched with how the teams above them have been stinking it up a lot of games haha. Since he was injured there are a number of games they lost by one goal. Even that 7-4 Rangers game was way closer than the score would make anyone who didnt watch think. They all looked depressed vs the Caps the day they found out he was being shipped out. Not sure they lose that game if it wasnt the case. It totally had a major negative impact on Sid and rest of them. Rust was missing for a chunk of those games too. Two best wingers/two thirds of top, very effective line, gone.

Jake also had his young family's roots planted in the Burgh. I dont think he'll be back but wouldn't be shocked if he is haha.

Anyone know if he sold his house?
- MattStrat

They definitely do not look like the same team the past month as they have most of the year. They don't look competitive now, but most of the year they were as you've often said very close to being a playoff team.

When they were closer, there were a lot of what ifs. That's what happens when you are a few points out. Most pointed to the PP. I think if bottom 9 scoring was average they could have also made up those points. Regardless, they were at their best not quite good enough, and just look further away now.

I think they proved in the 50+ games before Jake got hurt that if he'd been in the lineup they'd just have found other ways to lose those games.
- MickV

hahaha fair enough. I just think they may have had 4 to 8 more standings points if they didn't lost two of those guys around same time.

It's still a little hard for me to grasp that they're so close to a PO spot despite that absolutely shameful PP all season and no Jake the past 3 or 4 weeks.

They definitely do not look like the same team the past month as they have most of the year. They don't look competitive now, but most of the year they were as you've often said very close to being a playoff team.

When they were closer, there were a lot of what ifs. That's what happens when you are a few points out. Most pointed to the PP. I think if bottom 9 scoring was average they could have also made up those points. Regardless, they were at their best not quite good enough, and just look further away now.
- Tojo.

I dont know man. Some of the games like vs the Caps stick out as them not looking the same, or good, but then there are a lot of games when the final whistle blew they were the better team stat wise, just didn't win. PP going 0 for something. Like you say bottom six not converting. Jake and Rust gone f'd up the top line scoring too. I also think its possible I may have an easier time watching them subjectively than some others. I think its impossible not to look at the 29th ranked PP as the biggest culpirt though.

It seems this bonehead penguins GM isn't to smart? If he doesn't know guentzels contract is up why did he trade for karlsson and bring in 10 mil for the next 3 years? If EK is so good why isn't he scoring like jake? Are we saying when jake makes the big money he will quit scoring? Guentzel had to know he was being traded when all this BS went down. I garauntee you when jake seen the trade for EK, he said "It looks like I am out". This would explain why Jake was never considered part of the click/core. How could a player playing on sids line for 9 years not be considered a core player? EK was considered that when he 1st walked in the penguins dressing room. I would never come here if I was Jake.
- jb55

With the comprehension levels you show here I would imagine the most precarious situation you might find yourself making a choice like this would be if you should cover the weekend shift at Burger King.

It seems this bonehead penguins GM isn't to smart? If he doesn't know guentzels contract is up why did he trade for karlsson and bring in 10 mil for the next 3 years? If EK is so good why isn't he scoring like jake? Are we saying when jake makes the big money he will quit scoring? Guentzel had to know he was being traded when all this BS went down. I garauntee you when jake seen the trade for EK, he said "It looks like I am out". This would explain why Jake was never considered part of the click/core. How could a player playing on sids line for 9 years not be considered a core player? EK was considered that when he 1st walked in the penguins dressing room. I would never come here if I was Jake.
- jb55

It’s almost like it’s completely up to Jake where he wants to sign his next contract.