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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 2:54 PM ET
I have watched at least 20 games of McDavids this year, probably closer to 30-35.
Johnson...I thought he had retired.

- TheFreak


The point I was really trying to make is that you don't have to watch a player play a game to form an opinion on a player. There's lots of information out there. There are probably over 700 players in the NHL. No fan can watch every player play. A response to an opinion offered on a player of, how many times did you watch him play. Is not an intelligent response in my opinion.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Mar 9 @ 2:56 PM ET
Whats better the pass or the goal lol.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1754917263235244258
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 2:58 PM ET
Whats better the pass or the goal lol.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1754917263235244258

- bird_dog_pa


Both are awesome. Also bad dump in and a bad line change.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 9 @ 2:58 PM ET
Cup bound with DBs additions, baby!!

Let's go flyers!

- Bob Habib

Hopefully the flyers will beat Rags 54 year drought ended in 1994. Rags has just one SC since 1940. Tells us how difficult it is. Specially with flyers roster filled with grinders
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 9 @ 3:04 PM ET
The point I was really trying to make is that you don't have to watch a player play a game to form an opinion on a player. There's lots of information out there. There are probably over 700 players in the NHL. No fan can watch every player play. A response to an opinion offered on a player of, how many times did you watch him play. Is not an intelligent response in my opinion.
- MJL

so you form your opinions mainly through spreadsheets. very surprising as figured you watch a lot of hockey.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 9 @ 3:06 PM ET
Chiming in late as I was away. No big issue with Danny’s moves and I do like how he got the first by weaponizing the cap space. Was a little surprised about picking up Johnson and sending out the 4th but i see why it was done. I figured we’d be able to send johansen out with retained but I suspect other teams wanted picks for us to take him. Oh well. It’s the cost of getting a first. 4 firsts next two drafts. Coupled with 2 firsts we had last draft. Pretty good. We need to hit on all of these and we’ll be in a good spot.
- Hextall271


Sets up well, pick well and they know have a farm system and NHL team they can deal from, they can re-shape the team with smart hockey trades.

I love watching other teams load up, hoping 2-3 years from now they are on the down swing and DB can take advantage.

My guess, we have a down year next year, compared to this year, be a good draft to draft higher in and a nice next step.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 9 @ 3:13 PM ET
Sets up well, pick well and they know have a farm system and NHL team they can deal from, they can re-shape the team with smart hockey trades.

I love watching other teams load up, hoping 2-3 years from now they are on the down swing and DB can take advantage.

My guess, we have a down year next year, compared to this year, be a good draft to draft higher in and a nice next step.

- wcorvette

But they won’t 💯% bottom out like the Pens will, when the Cindy era is over.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 9 @ 3:13 PM ET
I like Tippett's game more than Frost's game. He is engaged physically much more that Frost and he is a sniper that can create his own scoring chances off the rush (especially when he is playing with confidence). It's really that simple. I find Frost to be invisible in too many games for my liking and I think he shrivels against the more physical competition. You like Frost's game...Congrats!
- Phillywhiteout


Tippett is below-average defensively, not a particularly easy linemate to play with (he rarely finds seams and gets open for passes), goes through stretches where he misses the net far more often than he puts it on net. And the bottom line, Tippett's points-per-game are damn near identical to Frost's -- 0.67 vs. 0.66 -- dating back to early Dec. 2022.

But one's players inconsistencies and perceived flaws get harped on ad nauseum. The other's get excused amid an 8-year contract extension and endless leeway when he isn't on his game.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 9 @ 3:14 PM ET
The reality is that the Flyers negotiated with Walker to try and get a new contract done. They wanted to re-sign Walker. His demands were too high for their taste so they moved him.
- MJL


why didnt they keep him for the playoff run? What was his ask? What was the flyers counter?
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 9 @ 3:16 PM ET
The same scouts were head over heels 👠 for Ratcliffe
- THE EVIL WITHIN


that was hextall, and we all know his evaluations of the young kids......not stellar. Didnt hextall trade up to draft him?
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 9 @ 3:19 PM ET
that was hextall, and we all know his evaluations of the young kids......not stellar. Didnt hextall trade up to draft him?
- bradster

Correct, they must have been blinded by his size.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 9 @ 3:19 PM ET
so you form your opinions mainly through spreadsheets. very surprising as figured you watch a lot of hockey.
- hello it's me 2050


he doesnt understand if there arent stats.....its just what he is.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 9 @ 3:19 PM ET
He has already been assigned to the AHL. On March 7th.
- MJL


Ok. Thanks.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 9 @ 3:20 PM ET
Tippett is below-average defensively, not a particularly easy linemate to play with (he rarely finds seams and gets open for passes), goes through stretches where he misses the net far more often than he puts it on net. And the bottom line, Tippett's points-per-game are damn near identical to Frost's -- 0.67 vs. 0.66 -- dating back to early Dec. 2022.

But one's players inconsistencies and perceived flaws get harped on ad nauseum. The other's get excused amid an 8-year contract extension and endless leeway when he isn't on his game.

- bmeltzer


Why do I feel like if Johansen does well in the A, is a good soldier, we will see him up and Frost out.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 9 @ 3:22 PM ET


Just like that!

- mikeyo27

Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 9 @ 3:25 PM ET
Devils lose...one step closer!!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 9 @ 3:25 PM ET
that was hextall, and we all know his evaluations of the young kids......not stellar. Didnt hextall trade up to draft him?
- bradster

1st 2 rounds of the flyers 2016 draft are excellent
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 9 @ 3:26 PM ET
I think Torts like to saddle Frost with Cam, don’t know why, but having Cam and ND, no one could lift that.

Let’s see, step up and stand out
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
Tippett is below-average defensively, not a particularly easy linemate to play with (he rarely finds seams and gets open for passes), goes through stretches where he misses the net far more often than he puts it on net. And the bottom line, Tippett's points-per-game are damn near identical to Frost's -- 0.67 vs. 0.66 -- dating back to early Dec. 2022.

But one's players inconsistencies and perceived flaws get harped on ad nauseum. The other's get excused amid an 8-year contract extension and endless leeway when he isn't on his game.

- bmeltzer
Tippett has not been good lately and there is no doubt about it. I just like his game better than Frost as I mentioned to MJL. That's not to say that I agree with the way Torts has been messin with Frost. Tippett has tons of raw skill IMO, but he also has lots of work to do to become a well rounded player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 3:28 PM ET
Devils lose...one step closer!!
- Phillywhiteout


The Devils have been cooked in my opinion.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 9 @ 3:30 PM ET
Tippett is below-average defensively, not a particularly easy linemate to play with (he rarely finds seams and gets open for passes), goes through stretches where he misses the net far more often than he puts it on net. And the bottom line, Tippett's points-per-game are damn near identical to Frost's -- 0.67 vs. 0.66 -- dating back to early Dec. 2022.

But one's players inconsistencies and perceived flaws get harped on ad nauseum. The other's get excused amid an 8-year contract extension and endless leeway when he isn't on his game.

- bmeltzer

One guys “points per game” are more heavily in the goal department. Not disagreeing with what you stated but big difference than just blanketing points.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 9 @ 3:34 PM ET
Correct, they must have been blinded by his size.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

As they always are
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
One guys “points per game” are more heavily in the goal department. Not disagreeing with what you stated but big difference than just blanketing points.
- ClaudeFather



What does blanketing points mean? Goal scoring and playmaking are symbiotic. Both need each other.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
One guys “points per game” are more heavily in the goal department. Not disagreeing with what you stated but big difference than just blanketing points.
- ClaudeFather



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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 9 @ 3:59 PM ET
One guys “points per game” are more heavily in the goal department. Not disagreeing with what you stated but big difference than just blanketing points.
- ClaudeFather


And the other's are in the assist department -- weighted toward primaries. But are needed on a team.
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