There's nothing wrong with Guenette's game. He's a Sens draft choice developed in our system, he's got size 6'3" 205lbs and he's a RD. I noticed that he's getting more ice time in every game since callup and he's still being used on 2nd unit RD behind Zub.

I find any and all thoughts about the Sens acquiring Karlsson to be mind altering backwardness. When a team is struggling to go forward, why would they look to go back to where they were previously lost?
- spatso

Right. And they've openly expressed interest in Tanev. So if you want a Tanev "type" of player, someone like Karlsson isn't the answer.

Unless you get him super cheap at heavy retained retention.

I'm all over giving guys like Guenette and Kleven a look now, in the hopes they replace Hamonic and Branny. And if you are seriously considering trading Chyrchrun, you got to find out if Kleven is ready.

I would think management would want to wait and have a look at Demelo and/or Tanev as options in free agency. Perhaps a few other options in free agency could be a fit as well.

As granpa notes, we have some kids in the system that may be able to make the jump soon.

I believe the idea of Tanev type guy would be to add to the current d-corps. Any Karlsson related move, you are looking at a probable complete teardown of the d-corps and building around Karlsson and Sanderson.

This is an Elliot Friedman initiated rumor. He admits he just thought of it due to the two organizations struggles and the Alfie/Karlsson connection.

I don’t think it’s the smartest idea in the world but given injection of nostalgia fans go crazy over during the teams struggled, part of me wonders if it would be explored to distract from the bumpy road.

This is just the beginning. There are going to be changes this summer. It would be insane to stay with the same group and hope for better results. Lots of controversial rumours and moves will happen by October 2023. Banking on rookies like Klevan and Guenette to be saving graces to the blueline is lofty expectations. I hope there is a better plan than that.

Here is an Athletic article on Zack Ostapchuk from December 2022. Very flattering of Zack.

https://theathletic.com/3...-senators-zack-ostapchuk/

I find any and all thoughts about the Sens acquiring Karlsson to be mind altering backwardness. When a team is struggling to go forward, why would they look to go back to where they were previously lost?
- spatso

I'm inclined to agree. I'm surprised it's being discussed at any level in earnest. The Pens would need to eat a large portion of salary, and I don't see them going too far in that regard.

The other side of the coin is would Karlsson even waive his NMC to come to Ottawa when they are looking pretty weak right now? He wanted to play for a contender in thte past and He hasn't had much luck there.

There's nothing wrong with Guenette's game. He's a Sens draft choice developed in our system, he's got size 6'3" 205lbs and he's a RD. I noticed that he's getting more ice time in every game since callup and he's still being used on 2nd unit RD behind Zub.
- granpa

I see people about Guennete a bit here. I just got the Hockey news future watch and i don't see him mentioned there, Kleven is said to be Ottawa's best prospect. Did THN just miss the mark completely?

I see people about Guennete a bit here. I just got the Hockey news future watch and i don't see him mentioned there, Kleven is said to be Ottawa's best prospect. Did THN just miss the mark completely?
- david22

The biggest advantage that Guenette has is that he's a natural RHD, and has some offensive upside. He's also had the benefit of 3 seasons of AHL development, and has enough defensive awareness at this point to get a look in the NHL. Right now he's jockeying with Bernard-Docker for ice time, but that just means he's around the same level as the #6/7D on the team when everyone's healthy. So I wouldn't say THN missed the mark in terms of having Kleven ahead of him in the rankings. There's no clear attribute of Guenette's game that suggests he has top-4D potential, whereas Kleven has the potential upside of a 2nd pairing physical D-man (e.g. Erik Cernak, Brandon Carlo). Put another way, I wouldn't trade Kleven for Guenette straight-up, which is kind of the bottom line when it comes to prospect rankings.

The biggest advantage that Guenette has is that he's a natural RHD, and has some offensive upside. He's also had the benefit of 3 seasons of AHL development, and has enough defensive awareness at this point to get a look in the NHL. Right now he's jockeying with Bernard-Docker for ice time, but that just means he's around the same level as the #6/7D on the team when everyone's healthy. So I wouldn't say THN missed the mark in terms of having Kleven ahead of him in the rankings. There's no clear attribute of Guenette's game that suggests he has top-4D potential, whereas Kleven has the potential upside of a 2nd pairing physical D-man (e.g. Erik Cernak, Brandon Carlo). Put another way, I wouldn't trade Kleven for Guenette straight-up, which is kind of the bottom line when it comes to prospect rankings.
- khawk

All I want to know is are either of them better options than Hamonic or Branny for next year?

The biggest advantage that Guenette has is that he's a natural RHD, and has some offensive upside. He's also had the benefit of 3 seasons of AHL development, and has enough defensive awareness at this point to get a look in the NHL. Right now he's jockeying with Bernard-Docker for ice time, but that just means he's around the same level as the #6/7D on the team when everyone's healthy. So I wouldn't say THN missed the mark in terms of having Kleven ahead of him in the rankings. There's no clear attribute of Guenette's game that suggests he has top-4D potential, whereas Kleven has the potential upside of a 2nd pairing physical D-man (e.g. Erik Cernak, Brandon Carlo). Put another way, I wouldn't trade Kleven for Guenette straight-up, which is kind of the bottom line when it comes to prospect rankings.
- khawk

This all makes sense, just surprising seeing 0 mention of him, when they even list Ottawa's ten top prospects, and its slim pickings pretty quickly.

This all makes sense, just surprising seeing 0 mention of him, when they even list Ottawa's ten top prospects, and its slim pickings pretty quickly.
- david22

He's a 7th round draft pick thats why.

Stutzle++ might get you Quinton Byfield, if you agree to retain a bit of salary

Stutzle++ might get you Quinton Byfield, if you agree to retain a bit of salary
- AxlRose91

LOL
ummm Byfield +++++ might get you Stutzle and they won't be retaining anything.

I believe the Sens are much closer than folks think.

Part of the rebuilding process involves teams often have a crap year (a significant failure in expectations) followed by a performance surge in the following year (eg. New Jersey 2 years ago, Vancouver last year).

This team will not get over the hump with rinky dink moves involving the bottom D pairing or changes to that improve the 4th line.

The core issues for the Sens are pretty straight forward.

A top 6 power forward.

A physical top 4 RHD that can protect the net.

Goaltending.

If Staios makes multiple moves beyond trying to stabilize around the core issues, he is going backwards.

Up front the Sens top 9 includes Tkachuk, Stutzle, Giroux, Batherson, Pinto, Joseph and Greig. Sens need to replace Tarasenko (traded) and Norris (LTIR).

I don't know how to configure the D. Maybe either Chychrun or Chabot needs to go?

Can the Sens do a Markstrom or Ullmark?

Keep in mind that when a team does too much, it only creates chaos.

Stutzle++ might get you Quinton Byfield, if you agree to retain a bit of salary
- AxlRose91

Just once....not a really early goal?

Set the tone!

man, 2-2, these mofos are going to eff up the high pick!

If that shootout winner by Claude didn't just sum up how we all feel about this season......

damn.
yup.
THAT....

Definitely a Jekyll and Hyde team. Even just within singular games. Dominated the play for 2 periods after that first goal, then gave up so many shots in the third.

And definitely some Jekyll and Hyde players. Korpo and Forsberg looked great the last two games. The previous 5 they looked like hot garbage.

Just looking for consistency. And a RD to step up internally to replace Hamonic.

A pissed off, bratty Timmy is fun to watch. He flys when he wants.

Steve Staios has traded for 2 players from the AHL (both centers which says a lot IMO about Josh Norris' future)

Wyatt Bongiovanni - 24 years old, experience in Manitoba
Jamieson Rees - 2nd round pick 2019 (not far from Pinto and a few picks after Nils Hoglander). I heard Bob McKenzie had him in the first round at the end (or 32nd pick - which is ironically where Pinto went)

Steve Staios has traded for 2 players from the AHL (both centers which says a lot IMO about Josh Norris' future)

Wyatt Bongiovanni - 24 years old, experience in Manitoba
Jamieson Rees - 2nd round pick 2019 (not far from Pinto and a few picks after Nils Hoglander). I heard Bob McKenzie had him in the first round at the end (or 32nd pick - which is ironically where Pinto went)
- AlfieisKing

I think this group is prioritizing success with the AHL affiliate while also wanting to increase competition for fourth line spots. Nothing wrong with players feeling more intense competition for their roster spots.

Guess the Sens are doing that thing they've done the past three years, where they go on a little run at the end of the season to give us all hope and make them drop just out of the top draft picks....

Guess the Sens are doing that thing they've done the past three years, where they go on a little run at the end of the season to give us all hope and make them drop just out of the top draft picks....
- GrimmdaGoalie

Nope. Not falling for their BS this year. The run of winning games means nothing. We need to see them win when it matters. All they are doing now is trying to pad some individual stats which means nothing.

Guess the Sens are doing that thing they've done the past three years, where they go on a little run at the end of the season to give us all hope and make them drop just out of the top draft picks....
- GrimmdaGoalie

exactly..... people that think there's no difference between a 5th/6th overall picks vs a 9th/10th pick overall .... well look at 2012-2022

5th Picks
Morgan Rielly, Elias Lindholm, Michael Dal Colle, Noah Hanifin, Elias Pettersson, Barrett Hayton, Alex Turcotte, Jake Sanderson, Cutter Gauthier

6th Picks
Hampus Lindholm, Sean Monahan, Jake Virtanen, Pavel Zacha, Matthew Tkachuk, Cody Glass, Filip Zadina, Moritz Seider, Jamie Drysdale, David Jiricek

9th Picks
Jacob Trouba, Bo Horvat, Nikolaj Ehlers, Timo Meier, Mikhail Sergachev, Michael Rasmussen, Vitali Kravtsov, Trevor Zegras, Marco Rossi, Matthew Savoie

10th Picks
Slater Koekkoek, Valeri Nichushkin, Nick Ritchie, Mikko Rantanen, Tyson Jost, Owen Tippett, Evan Bouchard, Vasili Podkolzin, Cole Perfetti, Pavel Mintyukov

I think this group is prioritizing success with the AHL affiliate while also wanting to increase competition for fourth line spots. Nothing wrong with players feeling more intense competition for their roster spots.
- SensFan25

I have no problem with competition - but if Sens start winning now - where tf was the winning for the first 30 games? That's the problem with this team. There is more negative in winning now than good. Compete, play strong 2 way. But giving up the lead late was not good, even if we won in OT (with a d-man falling around center ice)