Norris officially done for the year. More surgery.

Anyone know the buyout for him....much like Colin White? Cheaper due to his age?

No reason to buy him out if he's to be our "Rick DiPietro" it's an LTIR forever kinda of thing

I don't know which type of coach to hire.
I believe in these players though. Tinker with the line up. They'll be better.

This is definitely the year to trade down though. No matter where we land. With the exception of winning the first overall pick I'd trade this pick for prospects. Good one to restock the farm.

No reason to buy him out if he's to be our "Rick DiPietro" it's an LTIR forever kinda of thing

I don't know which type of coach to hire.
I believe in these players though. Tinker with the line up. They'll be better.

This is definitely the year to trade down though. No matter where we land. With the exception of winning the first overall pick I'd trade this pick for prospects. Good one to restock the farm.
- Octavarium

I think you are right.

My weakness on all this stuff is the fear that the new ownership and management group will decide that they need to do a significant rebuild. Many of us believe in the talent on this team and hope for investments to build depth and improve rather than rebuild.

Norris is gone for a full season (minimum) from a cap/payroll perspective. After signing Pinto plus the huge increase to Sanderson already factored into the budget, the Sens should be able to add another salary in the $8m range and another in the $5m range.

Pinto can play top 6 and Grieg is an outstanding choice to centre 3rd line.

If the Sens are offering up a 5th overall pick. Multiple teams will be offering quality talent with salary strings attached.

I think Staios was smart to sit out trade deadline. The action will take place before the the draft.

Can Staios find a better power forward than PLD?

Would you attach Korpisallo to the 5th over all pick?

I'm not convinced he's terrible. Like, this is one of those seasons where anything that can go wrong goes wrong. But, he has not been good.

Management - should tread lightly with our "kids". Fans have bought in . These are our boys. The core four or five. And AND if you're going to raise 300 level season seats by 10$ a seat a night.......I want familiarity. I want to see Brady wrecking people and Timmy lighting it up. No more rebuilds.

Buyout on Norris is under $1.5m. His agent will push for him to be allowed to remain on LTIR. I like the kid, he has lots of natural skill. But 3x may be too much. My guess is his family and others who care about him might be pushing him to take the money and find another job in hockey.

This is a really tough outcome.

You know he does not care about the money part of it. This is like trying to tell a race horse not to run.

Would you attach Korpisallo to the 5th over all pick?

I'm not convinced he's terrible. Like, this is one of those seasons where anything that can go wrong goes wrong. But, he has not been good.

Management - should tread lightly with our "kids". Fans have bought in . These are our boys. The core four or five. And AND if you're going to raise 300 level season seats by 10$ a seat a night.......I want familiarity. I want to see Brady wrecking people and Timmy lighting it up. No more rebuilds.
- Octavarium

Teams have won Stanley Cups with average NHL goaltenders who get hot in the playoffs. I am not sure there is anything out there (perhaps Ullmark or Markstrom) that would make a difference for this team.

But, it gets mind boggling when he allows a softie.

I think the priority is a top 6 power forward.

A physical RHD.

Goaltending: I don't know what to do.

Norris officially done for the year. More surgery.

Anyone know the buyout for him....much like Colin White? Cheaper due to his age?
- GrimmdaGoalie

I called this a long time ago. This is a HUGE loss to Ottawa. This is F**king horrible bad luck combined with poor management. Wtf was Dorion thinking giving a 7th round pick for a winger that wasn't signed. We got NOTHING to show for 2021, 2022, and 2023 NHL drafts in the first round.

Friedman saying the Sens will be offered a sweetheart deal with Pittsburgh this summer to involving Karlsson. I would be shocked if Staios would buy in at any price.

I'd do it.
He had chemistry with chabbot early and can still move the puck out of the zone. He's accountable here and won't be such a presence in the room.

50% retained, some other AHL'ers

They're taking back Korpisalo and Boucher. I'm tired of seeing that failure down in Belleville.

I'd do it.
He had chemistry with chabbot early and can still move the puck out of the zone. He's accountable here and won't be such a presence in the room.

50% retained, some other AHL'ers

They're taking back Korpisalo and Boucher. I'm tired of seeing that failure down in Belleville.
- Octavarium

A trade may be the best thing for Boucher. Kid needs a change of scenery with a different franchise.

Very hesitant to trade for Karlsson. He's bounced around since that initial trade and that contract is scary.

I believe he has a NMC, and would he waive it?

Norris officially done for the year. More surgery.

Anyone know the buyout for him....much like Colin White? Cheaper due to his age?
- GrimmdaGoalie

I have zero medical qualifications but just looking at the play of his most recent injury would suggest the guy has serious issues with his shoulder. There was not much to it at all.
Hopefully the most recent surgery can solve what is obviously a problem. He is a good player.

I'd do it.
He had chemistry with chabbot early and can still move the puck out of the zone. He's accountable here and won't be such a presence in the room.

50% retained, some other AHL'ers

They're taking back Korpisalo and Boucher. I'm tired of seeing that failure down in Belleville.
- Octavarium

Korpo contract may be untradeable right now.

I'll bite:
From Pitt: Karlsson with 50% retained
From Ottawa: Forsberg, Kelly, Thomson, Kastelic and a 7th rd

Still think the Sens are better served signing Walker, Roy, DeMelo at around $4million.

Or trading Chycrhun/Chabot to NJ for Marino.

But only way Karlsson makes sense is at a much lower cap hit.

Karlsson trade makes no sense. Karlsson takes up way too much oxygen in that room. This is no longer "his team". Karlsson's issue is that he also lacks in defensive abilities. So how is this an improvement. Both Chabot and Chychrun would have to go.


As for any thoughts to buy out Norris? Ottawa would have to pay around $1.4 million per year until 2035-36. They would save $34 million overall ....... but is the buyout worth it if the player is on LTIR where insurance would pay most of the salary (not ownership).

Friedman saying the Sens will be offered a sweetheart deal with Pittsburgh this summer to involving Karlsson. I would be shocked if Staios would buy in at any price.
- spatso

Think about some of the things that have happened with new ownership (Eugene-less) and management:

- Alfie brought back into organization
- Neil jersey retirement
- Redden and Anderson special nights
- Lydon Slewidge brought back to sing anthems
- Martin and Alfie brought back to coach

The consensus to these types of things was praise. People love nostalgia. I would not put bringing back Karlsson past this ownership/management group. It follows pretty much exactly what they have been doing. Please the fans with glimpses of the past to distract them from the present. The current ownership and management group have struggled to put a unique stamp on this team.

Do I agree with bringing him back? I don’t think so. However, I have suggested moving on from both Chabot and Chychrun, which would allow space for a guy like Karlsson, and you can build with new supporting pieces as well to rebuild the blueline. Let’s face it. Moving one guy on the blueline will not erase all the issues the blueline has.

Any move that involves Karlsson (or any other established blueliner for that matter) will come at a cost of a completely restructured blueline. Which might not be the worst thing in the world.

Norris needs to move to the wing when he comes back. His shoulder can't do faceoffs. Which sucks because he's good at them. Maybe he can G can teach Stutzle. Lololok.

Celebrini Watch:
(CHI, SJS - will finish bottom 2)

#3. Anaheim (49 pts, 18th last game today) @CHI
#4. Columbus (54 pts, 18th last game today) @MTL - down 3-0
#5. Ottawa (54 pts, 20th last game today) vs PIT - 0-0 after 1st
#6. Arizona (57 pts, 17th last game today) @ MIN, starts 8pm
#7. Montreal (58 pts, 18th last game today) vs CBJ Up 3-0

Big Yotes and Habs fans the next 4-5 weeks. We need a top 5 pick!

Celebrini Watch:
(CHI, SJS - will finish bottom 2)

#3. Anaheim (49 pts, 18th last game today) @CHI
#4. Columbus (54 pts, 18th last game today) @MTL - down 3-0
#5. Ottawa (54 pts, 20th last game today) vs PIT - 0-0 after 1st
#6. Arizona (57 pts, 17th last game today) @ MIN, starts 8pm
#7. Montreal (58 pts, 18th last game today) vs CBJ Up 3-0

Big Yotes and Habs fans the next 4-5 weeks. We need a top 5 pick!
- AlfieisKing

OTT will get 8th oa, finish 7th and someone else after then will get a spot ahead of them, "Melnyk Curse"

A trade may be the best thing for Boucher. Kid needs a change of scenery with a different franchise.

Very hesitant to trade for Karlsson. He's bounced around since that initial trade and that contract is scary.

I believe he has a NMC, and would he waive it?
- david22

Yes, Karlsson has said he'd come back to Ottawa before - his wife is originally from here. I wouldn't 'trade for' Karlsson IE enthusiastically try to add him... but I would definitely 'take' Karlsson if Dubas wants to wash his hands of the contract, AND if Pit eats another 2-3M off that deal and we don't part with any high futures. Josh Norris for Karlsson with 2M retained, which puts EK at 8M. Salaries are a wash. Karlsson is talented but old and doesn't fit Pittsburgh's window - Norris is young and promising but seems injury prone. Risk for risk. Otherwise, gotta buy out Norris before the cap penalty gets wonky. He's looking very unreliable and I would not be surprised if new management opted to cut ties. Pinto takes Norris' spot, new draftee is hopefully Levshunov who can be properly groomed and inserted when nicely baked.

only one team is going to get Celebrin i and that is PIT, the Crosby era is comming to close so the NHL needs to give PIT a new star. Remember this post, PIT will jump from 7/8th OA to 1st when the draft position is revealed.

I think the way Bartacus described it is how I'm feeling too.

I'm not going out of my way to get Karlsson but make it tasty enough and I'll bite. Boy oh boy though...he and Letang both getting walked around like pilons last night by Timmy.

Damn. Weird how Pit finally gets a decent season from Jarry and the rest of the team just can't figure it out

Man, the Team 1200 guys won't stop talking about a Karlsson deal.

If...and BIG IF...the Sens want to go down that route, my hope is that they exhaust all other possibilities first and such a deal would happen AFTER the FA season starts.

Take a swing a the RD available - Dumba, Pesce, Tanev, May, Walker, DeMelo - that are out there that would cost $4 to 6 million per year (with the extra "Ottawa" year/million dollars, natch).

Then, if you don't get one of them, circle back.

My only worry is that every team seems to want or need a RD. And Ottawa is less appealing than certain other teams (contenders, no tax states).

Team 1200 guys are talking Chabot for Karlsson with $1.2 mill retained. My hope is if the Sens play one of the Chabot/Chycrhun cards, they do so to get someone younger at RD. Or a big name up front.

New kid looked good up front. Has Grieg moved to the wing permanently?

Man, the Team 1200 guys won't stop talking about a Karlsson deal.

If...and BIG IF...the Sens want to go down that route, my hope is that they exhaust all other possibilities first and such a deal would happen AFTER the FA season starts.

Take a swing a the RD available - Dumba, Pesce, Tanev, May, Walker, DeMelo - that are out there that would cost $4 to 6 million per year (with the extra "Ottawa" year/million dollars, natch).

Then, if you don't get one of them, circle back.

My only worry is that every team seems to want or need a RD. And Ottawa is less appealing than certain other teams (contenders, no tax states).

Team 1200 guys are talking Chabot for Karlsson with $1.2 mill retained. My hope is if the Sens play one of the Chabot/Chycrhun cards, they do so to get someone younger at RD. Or a big name up front.

New kid looked good up front. Has Grieg moved to the wing permanently?
- GrimmdaGoalie

maybe someone should remind the morons at 1200 what happened the last 2 times OTT traded a young player in their prime for a geriatric one, you know brassard for ziby and gus for talbot, those were total disasters for OTT. EK has got 2-3 years left maybe while chabot still has 8-10 years, horendous deal.

maybe someone should remind the morons at 1200 what happened the last 2 times OTT traded a young player in their prime for a geriatric one, you know brassard for ziby and gus for talbot, those were total disasters for OTT. EK has got 2-3 years left maybe while chabot still has 8-10 years, horendous deal.
- Mithos

Not to mention if we are adding an OFD, you'd want to replace Chychrun before Chabot.

Point is if Dubas wants to offload that contract, Sens gotta make him pay with retention and a poor return, irrespective of how good a fit we think the player might be. EK has an NMC - he won't go just anywhere, but he would always consider returning to his wife's hometown. Lassi Thomson, Josh Norris, and a third rounder for EK with 2M retained is the highest I would go.

Dubas is painted into a corner, and if they dont exploit the scat out of that, this new management isn't any better than their predecessors.

100%

I'm done paying other players salaries while they play somewhere else.
We always seem to be the ones getting hosed.

I find any and all thoughts about the Sens acquiring Karlsson to be mind altering backwardness. When a team is struggling to go forward, why would they look to go back to where they were previously lost?