ya... im already on the fire staios bandwagon, he traded Senko for a pathetic return of a 3rd and a 4th....this team is doomed.


new owner/management same as old owner/management

ya... im already on the fire staios bandwagon, he traded Senko for a pathetic return of a 3rd and a 4th....this team is doomed.


new owner/management same as old owner/management
- Mithos

He had 0 leverage, but makes you wonder if he could have held out for more. 50% retained too.

F'ing couldn't even get a 2nd.

How and why should we be excited about Staios at the helm for this team? What has he proven?

They had a good rebuild going and this sh. Getting 2 picks like this do NOTHING for Ottawa. At least 2 3rds in the bag would be something remotely close to fair value.

Anyone who believed they were going to get anything more than a couple of 3rds or maybe a 2nd for Tarasenko was dreaming. With a full NTC, a GM has very little control in terms of negotiation. This isn't a great return, but this is the same market that only gave CGY a 2nd and mid-level prospect for Tanev, who was supposed to be one of the top D-men available. Tarasenko may have just said it's either this team or nothing, and this was the best FLA could offer.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ot...lorida-panthers-1.2085551

That said, if this is where the trade deadline market is at in terms of offer value, then I don't much chance of Chychrun being traded. Regardless of whether you think he's played well, you can't lose an asset of that quality for nothing because you rushed a trade at the wrong time.

Anyone who believed they were going to get anything more than a couple of 3rds or maybe a 2nd for Tarasenko was dreaming. With a full NTC, a GM has very little control in terms of negotiation. This isn't a great return, but this is the same market that only gave CGY a 2nd and mid-level prospect for Tanev, who was supposed to be one of the top D-men available.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ot...lorida-panthers-1.2085551

That said, if this is where the trade deadline market is at in terms of offer value, then I don't much chance of Chychrun being traded. Regardless of whether you think he's played well, you can't lose an asset of that quality for nothing because you rushed a trade at the wrong time.
- khawk

then OTT should not have traded him, no trade is better than a bad one

Anyone who believed they were going to get anything more than a couple of 3rds or maybe a 2nd for Tarasenko was dreaming. With a full NTC, a GM has very little control in terms of negotiation. This isn't a great return, but this is the same market that only gave CGY a 2nd and mid-level prospect for Tanev, who was supposed to be one of the top D-men available.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ot...lorida-panthers-1.2085551

That said, if this is where the trade deadline market is at in terms of offer value, then I don't much chance of Chychrun being traded. Regardless of whether you think he's played well, you can't lose an asset of that quality for nothing because you rushed a trade at the wrong time.
- khawk

I'm tired of the excuses man.

This is competition. Steve Yzerman doesn't make these deals. We need an elite GM, we just dealt with Dorion's bs for 6-8 years (and I was defending him the entire time). I'd rather do a different deal than this. If the returns are not good, then go get some bodies that can help now then! If the market is a buyer's market, then go buy! Get Matt Roy, Sean Walker, other players that will make your team better and get rid of guys like Kubalik. This was a Kubalik return, not Tarasenko who has more points than Mantha who just got a 2nd !!

then OTT should not have traded him, no trade is better than a bad one
- Mithos

That's your opinion - I wonder if it would be the same opinion if Tarasenko had just walked as a UFA at the end of the season. Most people seem to think they needed to move on from Tarasenko, if only for the opportunity cost of the $5.0M of cap space, so I'm not sure they'd necessarily agree with you.

then OTT should not have traded him, no trade is better than a bad one
- Mithos

I agree man. At least wait. Getting these garbage picks put less trust in Staios being a good GM. Still had DAYS to do this trade. Eating half the cap and getting these kind of picks is a joke. 4th in goals, 5th in points on the team. Best +/- after Grieg on the entire team. Won cup as a BIG piece. Scored 3 goals in first round last year in the playoffs. How the heck you don't get a 2nd?

That's your opinion - I wonder if it would be the same opinion if Tarasenko had just walked as a UFA at the end of the season. Most people seem to think they needed to move on from Tarasenko, if only for the opportunity cost of the $5.0M of cap space, so I'm not sure they'd necessarily agree with you.
- khawk

actually read the comments on many sites including CF, seems many have this opinion and are trashing staios over this trade.

i have not seen anyone say this, isnt Senko the vet OTT needs, you know middle 6 vet with cup experience...

I'm tired of the excuses man.

This is competition. Steve Yzerman doesn't make these deals. We need an elite GM, we just dealt with Dorion's bs for 6-8 years (and I was defending him the entire time). I'd rather do a different deal than this. If the returns are not good, then go get some bodies that can help now then! If the market is a buyer's market, then go buy! Get Matt Roy, Sean Walker, other players that will make your team better and get rid of guys like Kubalik. This was a Kubalik return, not Tarasenko who has more points than Mantha who just got a 2nd !!
- AlfieisKing

He had a full NMC, and it was known he had one destination in mind. And I would disagree that no trade is better than a bad trade.

It's about leverage and position. Yes having a good GM helps, but it also depends on where you are and what your options are. Bad teams tend to get taken advantage of because what else can they do. They don't have the F-you leverage better teams have to stand pat.

I don't recall Ottawa routinely getting bad returns when they were a continued playoff contender back in the day, and I wouldn't say their GM's then (e.g. Muckler) were particularly elite. Although, GMs like Yzerman also don't put themselves into this position as often to begin with.

Yup.

EVEN IF we assume that Tarasenko said "I'm only going to Florida"

Then----you keep him. 100%

Weak weak weak trade.

Think about what that says to the people still in the room.

"we at the management level feel so weakly about this season and this group that we are going to trade our 2nd/3rd line winger who was contributing at a high level....for what you ask? Well, we're going to pay him to play somewhere else and give us picks back that are essentially fools gold useless.

0/10 terrible trade

Eh, it's fine. He didn't really belong in the Sens (similar with chychrun). They both are fine players, but there's no real fit for them on the team.

I'm surprised there wasn't a "if Florida wins the cup and Vlad plays in the final, it becomes a 2nd pick" type of condition... But whatever. I think it was more of a trade to help out the player as there were only so many options available with a NTC. Florida looks super good right now.

Don't understand why anyone would rather lose him for nothing. At least there's a chance the picks could turn into something.

Yup.

EVEN IF we assume that Tarasenko said "I'm only going to Florida"

Then----you keep him. 100%

Weak weak weak trade.

Think about what that says to the people still in the room.

"we at the management level feel so weakly about this season and this group that we are going to trade our 2nd/3rd line winger who was contributing at a high level....for what you ask? Well, we're going to pay him to play somewhere else and give us picks back that are essentially fools gold useless.

0/10 terrible trade
- Octavarium

I get the anger. Even the condition is a bit of a joke. Only if they win the cup.

The question is what options were left to the team.

1. Refuse to trade him unless the return is better. They've got 3 days. Hope Florida increases the return. But if they're really playing hardball, they may decrease the return at the deadline.

2. Florida possibly looks elsewhere and walks away.

3. Ask Tarasenko to waive somewhere else now that florida is not an option at all. Which may lead to him just staying, and leaving for nothing.

actually read the comments on many sites including CF, seems many have this opinion and are trashing staios over this trade.

i have not seen anyone say this, isnt Senko the vet OTT needs, you know middle 6 vet with cup experience...
- Mithos

Which opinion is that, that they should have kept him? Or gotten more in the trade? Because they're categorically different opinions, and coming from people just as clueless as everyone else about the actual underlying circumstances of the trade. Case in point, your second statement makes three major assumptions about: a) the team wanting to re-sign Tarasenko, b) Tarasenko wanting to re-sign, and c) that a reasonable AAV was negotiable. Maybe they tried to offer him an extension, and realized the AAV/term was just too high? Maybe he asked for a trade and only let them deal with FLA, who put a take-it or leave-it offer on the table? And if you don't make a trade because of the limited return, are you sure the team would have been better off by having a lacklustre final 1/4 season from a frustrated veteran who didn't want to be there anymore, and won't resign?

Be as angry as you want, but the real world is always more complicated than people would like, and it was always known they would be trading from a position of weakness with Tarasenko. What's relatively clear is that at least one of Staios or Tarasenko felt there wasn't a future for him in OTT, and they moved on. Personally, I think Tarasenko always had intentions of testing the UFA market again, especially given the projected cap increase - but who knows. Regardless, 2nd line scoring isn't really the Senators' weakness, so freeing up $5M going forward to direct towards their more significant problems may not be the worst news in the world.

If Tarasenko wasn't going to be here next year, then best to trade him for the 3rd + 4th. Return is weak but he had the NTC and likely dictated Florida as the destination. Plus we don't want an unhappy player on the roster.

It's time to embrace the tank.

The third and fourth don't bother me.

What bothers me is the scene in Money Ball where Brad Pitt's character is talking to David Justice. "nah Dave the Yankees are paying half your salary...."


WTF are doing paying someone to play for another team!!!!!?
Pay him to play for our team and lose him for nothing.

Take the Yzerman styled glasses off Steve and have a good long look in the mirror. You're not Yzerman. He wouldn't have done this deal. He would have kept the player.

The third and fourth don't bother me.

What bothers me is the scene in Money Ball where Brad Pitt's character is talking to David Justice. "nah Dave the Yankees are paying half your salary...."


WTF are doing paying someone to play for another team!!!!!?
Pay him to play for our team and lose him for nothing.

Take the Yzerman styled glasses off Steve and have a good long look in the mirror. You're not Yzerman. He wouldn't have done this deal. He would have kept the player.
- Octavarium

I just said this

I am little stunned by the return, if you want to call it that.
Staois hands were tied, but that is
all we ever seem to get in deals involving ottawa. Overpay,hands were tied....bla bla bla.

All i heard from them for the last few months. They want to go out a find good veterans that can produce, to help the young guys and team............ so what do they do?

On the bright side um ....seasons almost over. Its funny, thats been the only bright side of the Sens for the last 7 years.looking forward to the end of the current misery season.

Imo, If it came down to choice between chychrun and chabot, to trade away

I would pick chabot to trade. The sens window is not for another 2,3 years ( hopefully). He is 2 years older and more expensive. Plus give the guy a chance to go win somewhere.

Chabot is my darkhorse trade pick in next 60 hrs.

lotsa talk about chych to PHI after they trade walker

lotsa talk about chych to PHI after they trade walker
- Mithos

This is the trade to be concerned with. He's one of their most significant trade assets, and there's no requirement for Staios to make a trade deadline deal here, because he could just as easily trade Chychrun at the draft or in the off-season. So anything short of a 1st round pick & significant roster player or 1:1 trade for comparable value at another position would be concerning.

This is the trade to be concerned with. He's one of their most significant trade assets, and there's no requirement for Staios to make a trade deadline deal here, because he could just as easily trade Chychrun at the draft or in the off-season. So anything short of a 1st round pick & significant roster player or 1:1 trade for comparable value at another position would be concerning.
- khawk

Phily might pay more for 2 playoffs of chych vs 1, i would guess OTT would ask for Bonk to be included in the return.

i fear the worst package would be a 1st and laughton....laughton is one of the most overrated players in the NHL and staios being just as bad as dorion may beleive it.

Sens should have been ALL over Bowen Byram. This is a buyer's market, wtf

Sens should have been ALL over Bowen Byram. This is a buyer's market, wtf
- AlfieisKing

Right, but COL traded Byram for a young #2C in Mittelstadt, who's on pace for a 20G-40A season, and is an impending RFA making just $2.5M. The closest thing the Senators could have offered would be something like Pinto plus a major prospect (e.g. Kleven), and I'm not sure that's a trade most Senators fans would make... especially given that Byran is a LHD, and RHD is where they need to invest. In fact, COL had the same need, and had to invest a 1st round pick to bring in a RHD in the form of Sean Walker (and take away Johansen's AAV).

Eh, it's fine. He didn't really belong in the Sens (similar with chychrun). They both are fine players, but there's no real fit for them on the team.

I'm surprised there wasn't a "if Florida wins the cup and Vlad plays in the final, it becomes a 2nd pick" type of condition... But whatever. I think it was more of a trade to help out the player as there were only so many options available with a NTC. Florida looks super good right now.

Don't understand why anyone would rather lose him for nothing. At least there's a chance the picks could turn into something.
- PogBoi

First, and perhaps most important, Florida does not have the cap space next year to resign Tarasenko as well as all of their own UFA's and RFA's. Let's see if there is going to be a second half to a deal between the Sens and Panthers.

Remember the Sens signed Tarasenko as a UFA. So, they really have not lost anything.

If nothing else Staios is setting up to have around $10m in free cap after paying out a $7m bumb to Sanderson and perhaps another $4m bump for Pinto.