GMs will clamor over trading for Norris much as they did over Bobby Ryan. Nobody wants a player what's made of glass.
- Bartacus

I think this is a false equivalence example...

Bobby Ryan

2013-2014: 11.275% of max cap limit
2014-2015: 10.507% of max cap limit
2015-2016: 10.154% of max cap limit

Average of 22.56 goals and 56.58 points over 82 games in his first 3 seasons with the Sens. It fell off BIG time after that.

Josh Norris

Average of 32.42 goals and 57.2 points over 82 games in the 3 seasons (not including last year when he only played 8 games).

Josh Norris is a center, an effective two-way player, and is A LOT younger than Bobby Ryan was. The contract is not NEARLY as bad. It's the HEALTH that's the problem. He needs to stay healthy and also he needs to find chemistry and be deployed properly. It's a shame what's happened with him.

You can make calls on a lot of centers out there - Sean Courturier, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brayden Schenn, Anthony Cirelli. Maybe a packge with Seattle for Gourde and a prospect like Jagger Firkus. What about this: Nick Schmaltz??

With Mark Stone being down for the ENTIRE season, I think Tarasenko going to Vegas could make a lot of sense. They have all that cap space back. Could you imagine trading Giroux too with Tarasenko. What could that get us
- AlfieisKing

A promising prospect and a second?

Sounds Tarasenko will waive. Return likely to be a second and a lesser prospect?

Sounds Tarasenko will waive. Return likely to be a second and a lesser prospect?
- david22

A number of podcasts/panels have noted that BOS may have too much value locked up in their G, especially if they feel Swayman is ready to be a full-time starter. And given that BOS is reportedly one of the teams that Hanifin will re-sign with, there might be an interesting 3-team deal opportunity with CGY. This is especially true if Tarasenko is now willing to waive his NMC to go to a serious contender.

TO BOS: Noah Hanifin, Vladimir Tarasenko, Anton Forsberg
TO OTT: Linus Ullmark, Fabian Lysell, Cond. 2nd/2026, (+ salary retention)
TO CGY: Jakob Chychrun

Basically, the Bruins add a top-4D with long-term potential (which would be the condition on the draft pick), add a quality veteran scoring winger, and get an affordable veteran G to play the backup role. The Flames get another top-4D to keep their blueline in shape for the rest of the season, plus have the entire summer to re-sign Chychrun long-term. The Senators deal from a position of strength at LHD, acquire a goaltender with significantly better upside in Ullmark, and acquire a quality NHL-ready prospect in Lysell. They also effectively capitalize on the imminent LTIR status for Norris to weaponize that cap-space by retaining the majority of salary going to BOS.

^^^ I like your trade idea but Linus Ullmark is the reining Vezina winner - he is 30 years old. I think Boston would need more. Also I see this deal as an off season move Also lol..... I doubt they trade him within the division.

I think Hanafin to BOS makes tons of sense.
Also Ottawa getting a goalie!

A number of podcasts/panels have noted that BOS may have too much value locked up in their G, especially if they feel Swayman is ready to be a full-time starter. And given that BOS is reportedly one of the teams that Hanifin will re-sign with, there might be an interesting 3-team deal opportunity with CGY. This is especially true if Tarasenko is now willing to waive his NMC to go to a serious contender.

TO BOS: Noah Hanifin, Vladimir Tarasenko, Anton Forsberg
TO OTT: Linus Ullmark, Fabian Lysell, Cond. 2nd/2026, (+ salary retention)
TO CGY: Jakob Chychrun

Basically, the Bruins add a top-4D with long-term potential (which would be the condition on the draft pick), add a quality veteran scoring winger, and get an affordable veteran G to play the backup role. The Flames get another top-4D to keep their blueline in shape for the rest of the season, plus have the entire summer to re-sign Chychrun long-term. The Senators deal from a position of strength at LHD, acquire a goaltender with significantly better upside in Ullmark, and acquire a quality NHL-ready prospect in Lysell. They also effectively capitalize on the imminent LTIR status for Norris to weaponize that cap-space by retaining the majority of salary going to BOS.
- khawk

I don't mind the deal but why do we have to include Calgary?

Also...that would leave the Sens paying $9mill for the goalie position next year.

I don't mind the deal but why do we have to include Calgary?

Also...that would leave the Sens paying $9mill for the goalie position next year.
- GrimmdaGoalie

Well, it's just an idea, of course - but BOS has open interest in Hanifin, and CGY would likely be motivated to get something comparable back in terms of a top-4 quality D-man (vs. what they might be getting directly from teams with Cup-aspirations like FLA/BOS). That in turn might facilitate the process of Ullmark being traded within the division, which I realize could be an issue. You're also right about the $9M goaltending costs, but I see upgrading on Forsberg as far more likely than dealing Korpisalo.

A number of podcasts/panels have noted that BOS may have too much value locked up in their G, especially if they feel Swayman is ready to be a full-time starter. And given that BOS is reportedly one of the teams that Hanifin will re-sign with, there might be an interesting 3-team deal opportunity with CGY. This is especially true if Tarasenko is now willing to waive his NMC to go to a serious contender.

TO BOS: Noah Hanifin, Vladimir Tarasenko, Anton Forsberg
TO OTT: Linus Ullmark, Fabian Lysell, Cond. 2nd/2026, (+ salary retention)
TO CGY: Jakob Chychrun

Basically, the Bruins add a top-4D with long-term potential (which would be the condition on the draft pick), add a quality veteran scoring winger, and get an affordable veteran G to play the backup role. The Flames get another top-4D to keep their blueline in shape for the rest of the season, plus have the entire summer to re-sign Chychrun long-term. The Senators deal from a position of strength at LHD, acquire a goaltender with significantly better upside in Ullmark, and acquire a quality NHL-ready prospect in Lysell. They also effectively capitalize on the imminent LTIR status for Norris to weaponize that cap-space by retaining the majority of salary going to BOS.
- khawk

While generally I like this overall idea for a trade, I doubt that Boston trades Ullmark to rival Ottawa. Instead, flip Ullmark to Calgary, and send Markstrom to Ottawa. Obviously some other pieces need to be added to balance it all out.
Issues .... both Ullmark has a M-NTC (15 teams on no fly list) and Markstrom has a NMC ........... so I doubt Ottawa would be acceptable to either.
And Ullmark has 1 more year left and Markstrom has 2 more years left on their contracts. Which again makes our goaltending precarious over the long term.


And as for the amount of money we allocate to goaltending on the team ...... I don't give a flying fig newton how much we spend. I just want quality/reliably good goaltending. Somebody, anybody , please stock a puck over a multiple game stretch. So if we spend 9-15 million I don't care. Stop the puck.

i think JM is using dj smiths book on how to play defense...why the hell was kelley doing jack poop in front of the net instead of covering the point....

Man, when things go wrong for this team...

sens lose to a team with 14L in a row, Brady out for the rest of the season...

Woooooo!!! #1 pick!

😩

Woooooo!!! #1 pick!

😩
- PogBoi

They aren't even bad enough to finish bottom 3.

sens lose to a team with 14L in a row, Brady out for the rest of the season...
- Mithos

Link please. I don't see this anywhere.

CapFriendly is showing Forsberg as having a lower-body injury, and Chabot as being a game-time decision. They've also recalled both Merilainen and Guenette, which would seem to suggest they're bracing for the game without Chabot. Meanwhile, DailyFaceoff shows them as having Sogaard-Merilainen as the goaltending tandem for their game tonight vs. PHI. Hopefully they at least put in a decent 60 minute effort, and don't hang these young G out to dry.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/senators
https://www.dailyfaceoff....enators/line-combinations

About 6-7 weeks away from NHL draft lottery, here's what it looks like:

1) Chicago will finish 32nd for sure
2) San Jose will finish 31st for sure
3) Anaheim will finish 30th most likely (could be CBJ)
4) Columbus will finish 29th most likely
5) Ottawa or Arizona will finish 28th
6) Ottawa likely finishes here or 7th worst

If Sens get a 6th overall pick, I'll be happy. Mika Zibanejad, Matthew Tkachuk, Simon Edvinsson are good examples.

I think this is a false equivalence example...

The contract is not NEARLY as bad. It's the HEALTH that's the problem. He needs to stay healthy and also he needs to find chemistry and be deployed properly. It's a shame what's happened with him.

- AlfieisKing

I never made a skill equivalency. You've reiterated my very point right here - glass player. You could have traded Bobby Ryan early in his deal - have no doubt about that. It was only when he started missing 20+ games every fricken year that it became a problem. This is becoming a problem with Norris, I don't care how good the player might be - he is proving his health cannot be depended on. Makes the contract unmovable. Like Ryan.

When’s the new playoff blog?

CapFriendly is showing Forsberg as having a lower-body injury, and Chabot as being a game-time decision. They've also recalled both Merilainen and Guenette, which would seem to suggest they're bracing for the game without Chabot. Meanwhile, DailyFaceoff shows them as having Sogaard-Merilainen as the goaltending tandem for their game tonight vs. PHI. Hopefully they at least put in a decent 60 minute effort, and don't hang these young G out to dry.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/senators
https://www.dailyfaceoff....enators/line-combinations
- khawk

... or they could do the complete opposite, let themselves get outshot 19-4 in the first period, and then waste one of the best goaltending performances they've had in the past couple of months by giving up a breakaway with less than 10 seconds to play in the 2nd period. I realize they were playing multiple guys from the AHL and didn't even start a 12th forward, but you'd think after the catastrophe of their first period vs. ARI that they could at least be competitive out of the gate. I don't know what it's going to take for this team to stop digging themselves holes to get out of, but it will be interesting to see what direction Staios/Poulin go in terms of roster moves.

... or they could do the complete opposite, let themselves get outshot 19-4 in the first period, and then waste one of the best goaltending performances they've had in the past couple of months by giving up a breakaway with less than 10 seconds to play in the 2nd period. I realize they were playing multiple guys from the AHL and didn't even start a 12th forward, but you'd think after the catastrophe of their first period vs. ARI that they could at least be competitive out of the gate. I don't know what it's going to take for this team to stop digging themselves holes to get out of, but it will be interesting to see what direction Staios/Poulin go in terms of roster moves.
- khawk

Overall, I think Jacques Martin has done a decent job behind the bench. On the other hand, I never really thought DJ was the primary problem.

But, I have never thought coaching was as important as some folks believe it is. On a short term basis a guy like Tortarella can squeeze a lot from a line up but bottom line it is about the mix of talent the team can put on the ice.

I like the talent 0n this team. I believe they can be a contender. But something is missing from the mix. I think we need better goaltending. Also need a more physical presence in front of our own net. I believe the forwards are ok, as is.