Exactly, so what's the deal with the made up problem of setting a precedent? If nobody's close who cares what he gets paid?
- NorthNuck

It will be a precedent that’s a given.
I’m a fan & idc cuz not the GM.
I don’t listen to all the parrots ‘he’s gonna get paid’ I say duh. I simply don’t agree a GM should give a crap who got what where. The best teams aka recent cup winners GM’s didn’t pay for stats they pay for value & build rosters. Cups get rewarded. Generational players get rewarded cuz they drag a team into prominence. Some teams pay cuz players bolt. Some teams pay cuz a GM is a twit. The cap era doesn’t allow for morons & explains the invention of a capologist. We had JB who was clueless on UFA’s but at least he was decent to good on resignings.

GM’s that throw around money like 11.5m for Melander, 11m JT, 10.9m Marner, 10.5m Huberdeau, 9.5m S Jones, 9.25m Nurse, 10m Bobrovsky etc got what from it? Fired sooner or later.

What I would pay Petey nobody cares more often than not but doesn’t make me wrong. I have full trust in PA he’ll do what’s best for the Canucks not some players wallet.

Why is everyone on this site looking for a 2C?
- VANTEL

So that when you load up the lotto line you don't have Pius Suter playing 2C. Depth is key in the playoffs.

Guentzel isnt a 2c. Many are wanting him. You have guaranteed it's a done deal so that includes management with their efforts gone towards a winger.
- boonerbuck

I certainly do Guentzel and Lindholm (2C).


Apparently according to HNIC they had mentioned Canucks have interest in Lindolm also. Maybe they want an upgrade also at 2C

Wtf? You can't claim a player isnt capable of something and then dismiss examples because it was in the recent past.

He's also been that player this season and your are downplaying that as well.

So basically this driving a line evaluation is only to be judged by a rough patch with dead weight on his wings this season. Everything else in his career should be dismissed
- boonerbuck

Obtuse as usual facepalm

A top C drives a line rare a winger does that. Petey can drive a line but you keep repeating ad nauseum his wingers drag him down. Enough already.

WHAT WOULD YOU PAY PETEY?
Cease the rhetoric & play ACGM.

What is this supposed to prove?
- NorthNuck

Various FO stats only. Proves nothing other than who does what.

EXTREMELY recent past
- NorthNuck

Ridiculous.

What makes it even more silly is Miller has only been that player a very small portion of his career and not until his 30's yet it defines him. Petey been that player longer and is only 25. The bar changes with bias obviously.

We are not dealing with an honest assessment of players here.

Guentzel isnt a 2c. Many are wanting him. You have guaranteed it's a done deal so that includes management with their efforts gone towards a winger.
- boonerbuck

Where is his quote?

Popcorn is out

I certainly do Guentzel and Lindholm (2C).


Apparently according to HNIC they had mentioned Canucks have interest in Lindolm also. Maybe they want an upgrade also at 2C
- VANTEL

Clarity & full context. Atta boy 👍

I certainly do Guentzel and Lindholm (2C).


Apparently according to HNIC they had mentioned Canucks have interest in Lindolm also. Maybe they want an upgrade also at 2C
- VANTEL

I guess nothing is impossible but the likelihood they have the assets to bring in both without (frank)ing up what they have with this 1st place team will never make it out of the realm of fantasy.

Where is his quote?

Popcorn is out
- Nighthawk

You pull the quote. You were the one mocking Vantel's post guaranteeing Guentzel when he made it.
Check!

Ridiculous.

What makes it even more silly is Miller has only been that player a very small portion of his career and not until his 30's yet it defines him. Petey been that player longer and is only 25. The bar changes with bias obviously.

We are not dealing with an honest assessment of players here.
- boonerbuck

Miller has more points than EP over the last 3 years. He has more points than him again so far this year. He is called upon for most of the important faceoffs. He is called first when they need PKs. The PP is a push between the two.

Again EP is a very good top line winger but he is not an elite center and that is why he should not get to elite league money as a center when Canucks have been rumored to be looking for a 2C. He is not worth the Matthews or McDavid salary.

We have a 1C already who is at the correct price and signed long term. Stop offering EP 1C salary.

Ridiculous.

What makes it even more silly is Miller has only been that player a very small portion of his career and not until his 30's yet it defines him. Petey been that player longer and is only 25. The bar changes with bias obviously.

We are not dealing with an honest assessment of players here.
- boonerbuck

Miller is recently 30. Wrong again
Career who gives a rats ass. As a Canuck he’s been awesome since he arrived. As a Canuck defines him & that’s all we care about you dufus lol

Stats something you cannot comprehend being numbers are facts not your forte.

Petey 6 yrs 372gms 384pts 1.03ppg
Miller 5 yrs 330gms 362pts 1.1ppg

Spin that to suit your narrative. Don’t even bother digging a deeper hole. Give up when behind.

I guess nothing is impossible but the likelihood they have the assets to bring in both without (frank)ing up what they have with this 1st place team will never make it out of the realm of fantasy.
- boonerbuck

I have stuck by my quote all year Canucks have one to two more big trades coming. I say by around Feb 20 Canucks will start pulling the trigger. Soucy will be on LTIR by the 18 th.

I know my predictions are triggering and usually get people excited for pages on end but so far this year have been right on Zadarov and OEL buyout.

Let the fun begin.

Miller has more points than EP over the last 3 years. He has more points than him again so far this year. He is called upon for most of the important faceoffs. He is called first when they need PKs. The PP is a push between the two.

Again EP is a very good top line winger but he is not an elite center and that is why he should not get to elite league money as a center when Canucks have been rumored to be looking for a 2C. He is not worth the Matthews or McDavid salary.

We have a 1C already who is at the correct price and signed long term. Stop offering EP 1C salary.
- VANTEL

You'd think Miller could do better than a 2 point lead playing with better wingers most of the season. Keep in mind this tiny lead is what you brought up not me.

What's 1c salary?

I'll stick with what I've been telling NH since his campaign against Petey started this season. I trust this management not to (frank) everything up with a ridiculous contract. If petey wants way too much, they will trade him. They did it with Horvat and got it right. All this hand wringing over his contract translates to non trust in management. I'm not there. That's Nighty's wagon.

Miller has more points than EP over the last 3 years. He has more points than him again so far this year. He is called upon for most of the important faceoffs. He is called first when they need PKs. The PP is a push between the two.

Again EP is a very good top line winger but he is not an elite center and that is why he should not get to elite league money as a center when Canucks have been rumored to be looking for a 2C. He is not worth the Matthews or McDavid salary.

We have a 1C already who is at the correct price and signed long term. Stop offering EP 1C salary.
- VANTEL

A 1C power C bargain at 8m 👍

You'd think Miller could do better than a 2 point lead playing with better wingers most of the season. Keep in mind this tiny lead is what you brought up not me.

What's 1c salary?

I'll stick with what I've been telling NH since his campaign against Petey started this season. I trust this management not to (frank) everything up with a ridiculous contract. If petey wants way too much, they will trade him. They did it with Horvat and got it right. All this hand wringing over his contract translates to non trust in management. I'm not there. That's Nighty's wagon.
- boonerbuck

Who are the better wingers? Boeser was on everyones must trade list last year. Petey was with 37 goal guy Kuzmenko.

PDG is a better winger than Mikahev?


The lotto line is a very good line maybe even one of the top 10 lines in the league or better but that does not change the fact that Petey is a good center. He may not even play center here after we trade for a center.

I have stuck by my quote all year Canucks have one to two more big trades coming. I say by around Feb 20 Canucks will start pulling the trigger. Soucy will be on LTIR by the 18 th.

I know my predictions are triggering and usually get people excited for pages on end but so far this year have been right on Zadarov and OEL buyout.

Let the fun begin.
- VANTEL

Yes you have & your record is hard to beat. You PA disguised here in HB. Keep it up Patrick 🤪

Who are the better wingers? Boeser was on everyones must trade list last year. Petey was with 37 goal guy Kuzmenko.

PDG is a better winger than Mikahev?


The lotto line is a very good line maybe even one of the top 10 lines in the league or better but that does not change the fact that Petey is a good center. He may not even play center here after we trade for a center.
- VANTEL

This is apropos for your narrative..,

https://www.youtube.com/w...I&pp=ygUMd2hvIG1hZGUgd2hv

You like?

Miller is recently 30. Wrong again
Career who gives a rats ass. As a Canuck he’s been awesome since he arrived. As a Canuck defines him & that’s all we care about you dufus lol

Stats something you cannot comprehend being numbers are facts not your forte.

Petey 6 yrs 372gms 384pts 1.03ppg
Miller 5 yrs 330gms 362pts 1.1ppg

Spin that to suit your narrative. Don’t even bother digging a deeper hole. Give up when behind.
- Nighthawk

So you are claiming Miller has been a C that drives his line for the last 5 years?


Miller has only become a constant C the last 3 seasons and last season he was a mess for the first half.

More of your honest assessment.

I'm trying my best not to be hard on Miller here. I like him now and he's a heck of a player but the truth is he only became the player you are claiming late in his career. He spent a large portion of it as a winger as well.

This never ending pitting these two against each other and always talking "I choose Miller" is the rationality of a child fanboy. I choose both. Grow the (frank) up.

Who are the better wingers? Boeser was on everyones must trade list last year. Petey was with 37 goal guy Kuzmenko.

PDG is a better winger than Mikahev?


The lotto line is a very good line maybe even one of the top 10 lines in the league or better but that does not change the fact that Petey is a good center. He may not even play center here after we trade for a center.
- VANTEL

What does people wanting to trade Boeser last season have to do with who is the better winger? That makes Kuz and Miky better? How about this...

Boeser 27g 46p
Miky 10g 23p
Kuz 8g 21p

Boeser has more than those two combined yet Petey is still on pace for over 100 points and leads the team 5v5 points last I looked. Clearly Miller is getting more help 5v5 than Petey yet Miller leads pp points... so the big 5 on the Pp is where he is standing out, not 5v5.

https://www.quanthockey.c...rs-2023-24-nhl-stats.html

Miller tougher match ups all season
More points than Petey
Higher +/- than Petey

Not bad for the 1C

https://www.quanthockey.c...rs-2023-24-nhl-stats.html

Miller 27pts on PP
Petey 23pts on PP
Hughes 21pts on PP

Miller is better so far on the PP

What does people wanting to trade Boeser last season have to do with who is the better winger? That makes Kuz and Miky better? How about this...

Boeser 27g 46p
Miky 10g 23p
Kuz 8g 21p

Boeser has more than those two combined yet Petey is still on pace for over 100 points and leads the team 5v5 points last I looked. Clearly Miller is getting more help 5v5 than Petey yet Miller leads pp points... so the big 5 on the Pp is where he is standing out, not 5v5.
- boonerbuck

Good thing Boeser plays with the 1C

Now try for the last two years and not 40 games plus.

Mik and Kuz 146 Brock 101

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/teams/vancouver-canucks-players-2023-24-nhl-stats.html

Miller 27pts on PP
Petey 23pts on PP
Hughes 21pts on PP

Miller is better so far on the PP
- Nighthawk

I already pointed out Miller stood out on the PP while Petey on 5v5. Petey carrying just fine 5v5 and without a player producing on his wing like Boeser.

Can't help but notice you are filtering out Petey while I post the strengths of both players this season. Your childish agenda has been apparent for months.

So much for your speech about not ragging on Petey a couple days ago. All it took was Vantel making a comment and page after whiney page now.

Good thing Boeser plays with the 1C
- VANTEL

There's been a difference in the way you and Nightswallow posts on these topics. Maybe try and resist the shift.