I am trying to persuade this board, essentially, that ghosting was an efficient card to play under those circumstances. It did not signify disrespect, or immaturity. It was a cold blooded contractual ploy, and quite possibly the best one to use under the circumstances.

Also, please don't lie. You like all my posts.
- PT21

That it was an efficient card has already been debunked. You claim that by not communicating, he forced what he wanted to happen. Which is for the Flyers to trade him. As if he respectfully agreed to meet with the Flyers, heard what they had to say, and then reiterated that he didn't want to play for them. The same thing wouldn't have happened? Of course it would've. The Flyers went to Sweden as a last gasp effort. If he told them that, they would've come back and hit the phones.

Apparently Trevor Zegras has a broken heart. What would it take to get him? Hes having an off year and may very well not flourish under Torts. Just what do you think it would take?
- mikeyo27

we dont' want zegras
torts would murder him, he's horrible defensively and his offense doesn't make up for it

When you're trying to come to a conclusion about what is right and what is wrong. I think it's safe to say to look at what the overwhelming majority of players do, to know what is right.
- MJL

Right and wrong is important to you and me. Maybe Cutter believes he’s doing right. Majority rule is a flawed way to diffentiate between right and wrong.

Is the league not making a judgment on this when they allow it to happen? Are they saying that only .1% will do this so it’s not a big deal because when it happens it will be worked out like it was? Are they saying it’s not broke so don’t fix it?

What if the reasons are more structural, or too many, so relatively unchangeable?

What if he believes that the Flyers organization is poorly run, and they are not on a viable track to rise to the upper echelons?

Tell me, what is his benefit from saying this? If you left an employer, would you say this? And be branded a know-all brat who is over-critical at 19? If you were staying in the same field of work your employer was one of 32 players in?
- PT21

what if he lost his voice and cant speak and thats the reason for not speaking?
blah blah blah is what i hear from you

we dont' want zegras
torts would murder him, he's horrible defensively and his offense doesn't make up for it
- 2Real

thought he was hurt again

who cares we got a young dman that should actually want to play in Philly
- 2Real

Essentially every player who is signed with a team really wants to play with that team.

Including Ryan Ellis. Remember that deer-in-the-headlights interview?

Pronman or was it Wheeler, mentioned a valid point. Flyers are shrinking: Frost, TK, MM, Drysdale, Brink, Farabee. All smallish/shortish players.

what if he lost his voice and cant speak and thats the reason for not speaking?
blah blah blah is what i hear from you
- bradster

Yes, I don't doubt it.

We have had our say. I am moving on.

I think the Flyers let Gauthier off very easy, no matter what he put them through. Briere made a great deal but I still want this kid to fall on his face.
- roenick97[/quote

Nothing gained thinking that way. What’s important is Drysdale.

Right and wrong is important to you and me. Maybe Cutter believes he’s doing right. Majority rule is a flawed way to diffentiate between right and wrong.

Is the league not making a judgment on this when they allow it to happen? Are they saying that only .1% will do this so it’s not a big deal because when it happens it will be worked out like it was? Are they saying it’s not broke so don’t fix it?
- Minnyhock

I don't think that is true at all. If someone thinks that robbing a bank is right, does that make it right? Judgement is a human endeavor that we all sometimes get wrong. The overwehelming majority of people know that robbing a bank is wrong. That's a pretty good indication.

As far as your last statement, again, the league doesn't unilaterally get to set every rule and regulation. There is a negotiated CBA between two parties. There are transfer agreements between leagues.

There is a reason why the league grants a team exclusive negotiating rights with players they draft.

The Flyers had a right, if they wanted to let Gauthier sit and not play in the NHL. To block his career for 4 years I think with a player drafted from the NCAA. Even though it is their right to do so, would that have been the right thing to do?

Kick Ass Jamie …

Miss you already …

I am trying to persuade this board, essentially, that ghosting was an efficient card to play under those circumstances. It did not signify disrespect, or immaturity. It was a cold blooded contractual ploy*, and quite possibly the best one to use under the circumstances.

Also, please don't lie. You like all my posts.

(*EDIT: similar in spirit to holding out though of course very different in appearance)
- PT21

It obviously was a card you could play and playing it rightly opens those who use it up to criticism because it is absolutely a disrespectful way to deal with people. I think the agent has a douche bag for a client and did what he could to get his customer what he wanted.

thought he was hurt again
- wcorvette

i guess there's that too again

I am trying to persuade this board, essentially, that ghosting was an efficient card to play under those circumstances. It did not signify disrespect, or immaturity. It was a cold blooded contractual ploy*, and quite possibly the best one to use under the circumstances.

Also, please don't lie. You like all my posts.

(*EDIT: similar in spirit to holding out though of course very different in appearance)
- PT21

Unless Briere slept with his mom….there was no reason for this ploy. It was ignorant. There’s a proper way to negotiate and get your point across. I do not think he looks very professional at all and rightfully so. Also not a good look on his agent. I do not see it as a contractual ploy, but rather a “big wussy” move. His disrespect will come back to haunt him one day.

Essentially every player who is signed with a team really wants to play with that team.

Including Ryan Ellis. Remember that deer-in-the-headlights interview?

Pronman or was it Wheeler, mentioned a valid point. Flyers are shrinking: Frost, TK, MM, Drysdale, Brink, Farabee. All smallish/shortish players.
- PT21

They definitely need some more size up front.

thought he was hurt again
- wcorvette

Out for a while apparently. Should be something they revisit in the offseason. It's possible he could be had at a lower value coming off a down year and an injury. Plus, maybe Torts has moved up to the front office at that point because we all know how he felt about the Michigan.

It obviously was a card you could play and playing it rightly opens those who use it up to criticism because it is absolutely a disrespectful way to deal with people. I think the agent has a douche bag for a client and did what he could to get his customer what he wanted.
- Dkos

You think the ghosting strategy came from agent to client rather than other way around? I see it the opposite way.

And I also ask you to be a little less certain of the timeline of events. You are presuming that his camp said he didn't want to be a Flyer and then boom, nothing. What if it was more of a continuous process, with mounting irritation/friction and then the ELC being the final straw?

You guys spend so much energy fuming about the "disrespect" conveyed to the organization. I respect the passion. But this organization is not a nun who has had an upskirt picture made public. Gaining respect is not what it is about. It is about being on a path to win.

I wonder: How is that working out? The organization has said it will not sacrifice winning for rebuilding. And that it will not tank. This is like me saying I will fly to Chicago but not on a plane or chopper. It leaves air balloon, and gliders and such as possibilities.

Is such an organization deserving of respect?

Unless Briere slept with his mom….there was no reason for this ploy. It was ignorant. There’s a proper way to negotiate and get your point across. I do not think he looks very professional at all and rightfully so. Also not a good look on his agent. I do not see it as a contractual ploy, but rather a “big wussy” move. His disrespect will come back to haunt him one day.
- landros 2

This is too biblical for me, and I have already said enough about the former.

But hockeywise, I actually think the kid will do extremely well, health permitting. He has excelled in every level, had the cajones to pull this off, and did stellar in international play while under what must have been pretty big pressure, all at 19.

Kick Ass Jamie …

Miss you already …
- dozerD10

You are welcome to come root for him anytime.

You think the ghosting strategy came from agent to client rather than other way around? I see it the opposite way.

And I also ask you to be a little less certain of the timeline of events. You are presuming that his camp said he didn't want to be a Flyer and then boom, nothing. What if it was more of a continuous process, with mounting irritation/friction and then the ELC being the final straw?


- PT21

You keep wanting to inject alternate theories that aren't based on any of the known facts. Aren't based on any of the reporting from reliable sources. Here is what we know. Gauthier wanted to sign with the Flyers in early April of 2023 and play for the Flyers in the tail end of the 22/23 season. The Flyers said no to that. It was in May of 2023 when Gauthier told the Flyers that he wouldn't play for him. Are you trying to state that in the month or so the Flyers hounded him so badly that he lost interest in playing for the Flyers. Where is the evidence of that? Circumstantial or otherwise?

You guys spend so much energy fuming about the "disrespect" conveyed to the organization. I respect the passion. But this organization is not a nun who has had an upskirt picture made public. Gaining respect is not what it is about. Its about being on a path to win.

I wonder: How is that working out? The organization has said it will not sacrifice winning for rebuilding. And that it will not tank. This is like me saying I will fly to Chicago but not on a plane or chopper. It leaves air balloon, and gliders and such as possibilities.

Is such an organization deserving of respect?
- PT21

This is a classis strawman. That is irrelevant to the conversation.

I don't think that is true at all. If someone thinks that robbing a bank is right, does that make it right? Judgement is a human endeavor that we all sometimes get wrong. The overwehelming majority of people know that robbing a bank is wrong. That's a pretty good indication.

As far as your last statement, again, the league doesn't unilaterally get to set every rule and regulation. There is a negotiated CBA between two parties. There are transfer agreements between leagues.

There is a reason why the league grants a team exclusive negotiating rights with players they draft.

The Flyers had a right, if they wanted to let Gauthier sit and not play in the NHL. To block his career for 4 years I think with a player drafted from the NCAA. Even though it is their right to do so, would that have been the right thing to do?

- MJL

Robbing a bank is not the right analogy. It’s criminal. It’s a felony. Cutter did nothing illegal. I’m not saying ethics are what one says they are either.

Ethics is not the issue. Bettman:s priority is to make money for the owners. Ethics and morality are down the list. Nobody in the NHL is a moral beacon.

Yes the Flyers had rights. Cutter has rights too. He exercised them. It’s a b!!ch when an individual has a right to push back against the corporation.

Robbing a bank is not the right analogy. It’s criminal. It’s a felony. Cutter did nothing illegal. I’m not saying ethics are what one says they are either.

Ethics is not the issue. Bettman:s priority is to make money for the owners. Ethics and morality are down the list. Nobody in the NHL is a moral beacon.

Yes the Flyers had rights. Cutter has rights too. He exercised them. It’s a b!!ch when an individual has a right to push back against the corporation.
- Minnyhock

You're right in that regard. It was the best I came up with at the time. I would buy the it's a female dog argument when an individual has a right to push back but what did the Flyers do to Gauthier? What has the NHL done to the players besides make them rich?

Couldn't Briere have just said we made a move that we feel will make our team better in the long run and leave it at that?

I don't follow prospects so I don't know which player is supposed to have a brighter future, but just getting a high end D prospect would have been enough to appease most fans.

While Danny didn't say anything personal about the kid, it lead to others like Bundy to be a complete douchebag.
- rayc16

I think Briere felt pressure to explain the reason for the trade — especially considering Jamie Drysdale isn't as much of a household name like Cutter was for this fanbase, most especially concerning he literally put up an insane performance in the World Juniors.

Most die-hard Flyers fans were super stoked about Cutter and hoping he'd perhaps join the big club after the Frozen Four. Long term I know a lot of Flyers fans were envisioning the next decade and a half dominated with the dynamic duo of Cutter and Mishkov in the orange and black.

You're right in that regard. It was the best I came up with at the time. I would buy the it's a female dog argument when an individual has a right to push back but what did the Flyers do to Gauthier? What has the NHL done to the players besides make them rich?
- MJL

I”m not saying the Flyers did anything to deserve this. But deserve has nothing to do with it.What have the players done to the owners besides make them rich? You can only hope it works out for Philly.

I”m not saying the Flyers did anything to deserve this. But deserve has nothing to do with it.What have the players done to the owners besides make them rich? You can only hope it works out for Philly.
- Minnyhock

It seems to be a pretty beneficial arrangement for both sides so where does its a female dog to push back come from?

I”m not saying the Flyers did anything to deserve this. But deserve has nothing to do with it.What have the players done to the owners besides make them rich? You can only hope it works out for Philly.
- Minnyhock