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eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 10:49 AM ET
After seeing what Holmstrom has done, it makes me want to see Iskhakov even more. Parise had a great career and has been a good Islander, but can he really have a big impact at this point?
- ses111

I mean he had 21 goals last year and averaged only about 16 minutes of ice time per game, which was 13th on the team and 7th among forwards.

I like Gauthier, but he's prone to taking quite a few penalties and isn't perfect himself. Parise is much more reliable and will probably put the puck in the net more often. I love the idea of a Holmstrom-Pageau-Parise 3rd line.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 10:51 AM ET
Yeah sure but I assume you’re using Dobson and Holmstrom as references for this comment. Dobson has multiple seasons under his belt and Holmstrom has a full NHL season prior to this one. We’re talking about a player that’ll have a regular spot in the lineup. Expecting Ishakov who hasn’t even got to the halfway mark of his first AHL season to fill a regular spot in the lineup this season is unrealistic.
- Cptmjl


I thought Ishakov has had more time than that in Bridge. Ishakov can help with just his speed and SO skills alone. He does not even need to be a star player on this team. I rather try internal options at this point.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 20 @ 10:53 AM ET
I thought Ishakov has had more time than that in Bridge. Ishakov can help with just his speed and SO skills alone. He does not even need to be a star player on this team. I rather try internal options at this point.
- ses111

Apologize, you are correct he did play last season in bdgpt. I don’t really think that qualifies him for more then the occasional look due to injury and not a regular spot which we seemingly need right now. I’m not against giving younger kids playing time believe me but they have to show they are ready. That hasn’t happened yet for any of these kids.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 10:55 AM ET
I mean he had 21 goals last year and averaged only about 16 minutes of ice time per game, which was 13th on the team and 7th among forwards.

I like Gauthier, but he's prone to taking quite a few penalties and isn't perfect himself. Parise is much more reliable and will probably put the puck in the net more often. I love the idea of a Holmstrom-Pageau-Parise 3rd line.

- eichiefs9


Parise is not the worst idea, but I like the current chemistry with this team. I worry you add Parise and then put Martin back in when healthy.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
Parise is not the worst idea, but I like the current chemistry with this team. I worry you add Parise and then put Martin back in when healthy.
- ses111

Fasching has been too good to see Martin back in this lineup, even when he's healthy. (I'm half-convinced he's healthy now and they're just doing him a solid by saying he's hurt)

But if Gauthier misses some time, I'd rather see Parise than Wahlstrom at this point. I don't think Wally has the toolset to effectively hold down the kind of role that 3rd line needs.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
Apologize, you are correct he did play last season in bdgpt. I don’t really think that qualifies him for more then the occasional look due to injury and not a regular spot which we seemingly need right now. I’m not against giving younger kids playing time believe me but they have to show they are ready. That hasn’t happened yet for any of these kids.
- Cptmjl


No worries Cpt. Adding Parise will not be horrible. I just do not want to team to fall back into going with vets and younger players pushed aside.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 11:01 AM ET
Fasching has been too good to see Martin back in this lineup, even when he's healthy. (I'm half-convinced he's healthy now and they're just doing him a solid by saying he's hurt)

But if Gauthier misses some time, I'd rather see Parise than Wahlstrom at this point. I don't think Wally has the toolset to effectively hold down the kind of role that 3rd line needs.

- eichiefs9


We have to hope Lane stays strong and does not just go back to a player because he is a vet. It's always the fear with a Lou team.

This may not be the same thing, but the Wings have hit some trouble after adding Kane. He seems to be a jinx.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 20 @ 11:01 AM ET
Fasching has been too good to see Martin back in this lineup, even when he's healthy. (I'm half-convinced he's healthy now and they're just doing him a solid by saying he's hurt)

But if Gauthier misses some time, I'd rather see Parise than Wahlstrom at this point. I don't think Wally has the toolset to effectively hold down the kind of role that 3rd line needs.

- eichiefs9

With you on this.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 20 @ 11:03 AM ET
No worries Cpt. Adding Parise will not be horrible. I just do not want to team to fall back into going with vets and younger players pushed aside.
- ses111

I don’t think anyone besides Martin is in a rush to get him back into the lineup. Parise even if he gives us 70% of what he did last season he would more then likely contribute more then anyone else we presently have would.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 11:04 AM ET
I don’t think anyone besides Martin is in a rush to get him back into the lineup. Parise even if he gives us 70% of what he did last season he would more then likely contribute more then anyone else we presently have would.
- Cptmjl


If the Islander add Parise and they start losing like the Wings and Kane, the Islanders better send Parise packing.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 20 @ 11:12 AM ET
So you’re saying that Gautheir’s injury may make Parise signing with us faster? 😆
- Cptmjl

If he's really returning it would help but I suppose it depends on the severity of the injury. Someone will have to go when everyone gets healthy
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 20 @ 11:23 AM ET
If he's really returning it would help but I suppose it depends on the severity of the injury. Someone will have to go when everyone gets healthy
- Upstate_isles

Was said tongue in cheek. I do think whenever Parise is ready, if he’s coming here, he’ll be here that day pretty much no matter what kind of injuries we have going on. I know it has been reported he may explore playing with other teams. I’ll take Lou(and I think Parise)at his word that if he doesn’t retire he’ll be with us…
chazpet
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.22.2010

Dec 20 @ 11:53 AM ET
Parise played every game for 2 years. I think coming back for half a season is perfect. Unless he lost more than a step over his time off. If he did I think it will be visible right from the start and he will know he is done . Then they move on. And it's not like bringing in a Kane. Parise was a teammate for 2 years already. They want him back.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Dec 20 @ 11:59 AM ET
I mean he had 21 goals last year and averaged only about 16 minutes of ice time per game, which was 13th on the team and 7th among forwards.

I like Gauthier, but he's prone to taking quite a few penalties and isn't perfect himself. Parise is much more reliable and will probably put the puck in the net more often. I love the idea of a Holmstrom-Pageau-Parise 3rd line.

- eichiefs9


That’s a phucking solid 3rd line indeed. Parise was noticeably effective last year. He’d be a great addition for the second half, if they can get him.

Reilly, Gauthier, and Fasching have been extremely effective. Great to see, as they all came from nowhere and rejuvenated with the isles.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Dec 20 @ 12:00 PM ET
Parise played every game for 2 years. I think coming back for half a season is perfect. Unless he lost more than a step over his time off. If he did I think it will be visible right from the start and he will know he is done . Then they move on. And it's not like bringing in a Kane. Parise was a teammate for 2 years already. They want him back.
- chazpet


Parise only helps this team, not the other way around. He’s clutch
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Dec 20 @ 12:01 PM ET
With you on this.
- Cptmjl


Same. It screams “healthy scratch”
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
That’s a phucking solid 3rd line indeed. Parise was noticeably effective last year. He’d be a great addition for the second half, if they can get him.

Reilly, Gauthier, and Fasching have been extremely effective. Great to see, as they all came from nowhere and rejuvenated with the isles.

- kindlyrick

And, worst case, if Parise's game has somehow completely disappeared in his time off...Gauthier can easily step right back in. Zach could be waived/traded/demoted to the 13th forward/whatever, no big deal. It gives them a ton of flexibility.
potvin05
New York Islanders
Location: Snow's World (I just live in it), NY
Joined: 06.21.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:59 PM ET
Kane and Parise couldn’t be any more different, skill-set wise or as a teammate wise.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:12 PM ET
Kane and Parise couldn’t be any more different, skill-set wise or as a teammate wise.
- potvin05


Have to think this is true and especially as teammates. In the perfect world, I'd rather see the Islanders being able to run with Gauthier and Fasching the rest of the year, so they find out about these players.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:29 PM ET
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#Isles are 10-2-3 since Nov.18

Over that stretch #Isles:

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Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 20 @ 2:48 PM ET
I mean he had 21 goals last year and averaged only about 16 minutes of ice time per game, which was 13th on the team and 7th among forwards.

I like Gauthier, but he's prone to taking quite a few penalties and isn't perfect himself. Parise is much more reliable and will probably put the puck in the net more often. I love the idea of a Holmstrom-Pageau-Parise 3rd line.

- eichiefs9

Parise has a ton of skill even if he's older, Gauthier ices the puck and has grabber like qualities lol. Fast with stone hands and lots of icings
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 20 @ 2:49 PM ET
With you on this.
- Cptmjl

With you on this
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:54 PM ET
With you on this
- Upstate_isles

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:55 PM ET
Parise has a ton of skill even if he's older, Gauthier ices the puck and has grabber like qualities lol. Fast with stone hands and lots of icings
- Upstate_isles

For the record, I like Gauthier. But I don't love him and there are some aspects to his game that are not good. Assuming we'd still be getting the Zach Parise of last season, I'd greatly prefer him over Gauthier any day of the week.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:58 PM ET
For the record, I like Gauthier. But I don't love him and there are some aspects to his game that are not good. Assuming we'd still be getting the Zach Parise of last season, I'd greatly prefer him over Gauthier any day of the week.
- eichiefs9


Do you think Gauthier can be an option going forward as a 3rd or 4th line player chief? The question is does Parise make a big enough difference when he is clearly not the future.
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