And if Mrazek continues to play this way he’ll probably get traded.
- paulr

Woll left on crutches and the Loafs have 9 games in the next 17 days. Probably telling the Zamboni goalie to get ready.

Or if they want Mrazek back, a couple of their future #1 draft picks in return are fine by me. Get it done KD.

Goalie win!! Crevier and Vlasic out for a Dzone faceoff, goalie pulled with 1:23 on the clock....... LR threw the kids in the deep end of the pool and they handled it.
- Mr Ricochet

No reason why Crevier should be dispatched to Rockford for further development. Not that he is a star, but his performance is better than Tinordi or Zaitsev. In fact, rather Crevier than Kaiser for 20gp. Allow Kaiser to work on a few things in the AHL. I am all in on both Crevier and Kaiser in the NHL next season and they could finish this current campaign in Chicago as well

As for DelMastro and Allen, unless they have been superlative allow them to skate again for a partial season in the AHL. They will benefit from a solid stint in the AHL before tackling the NHL - Vlasic did and it can prove beneficial for others too

One consideration I seriously feel needs review is whether KK benefits from a stint in the AHL next season. He could concentrate on specific parts of his game. Should KK get 20 gp in the AHL then either or both DelMastro and Allen receive a 20 game look in Chicago

I hope that you feel by trade deadline 2024 each of the kids is here to stay - KK, Crevier, Allen, DiMastro and Kaiser. Of course Vlasic is automatic.

That makes six dmen so one of them is rotated or remains AHL since holdover S Jones isn’t going anywhere

Youth needs to be served full bore by the end of next season. The kids should be at the point where they need to grow into capable NHL dmen by actually playing here in The Show having given penance in the AHL

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If you happen to notice how I omitted I Phillips, I am rooting for Allen and DelMastro to win out over Phillips as far as a physical Dman with game. I like Kaiser all around game once he matures. Moreovet I need Phillips to prove he is willing to use his big body consistently in checking. Let Phillips prove he is worthy for another team

I do have a bias as I believe in intensity and having as many attributes or areas you are good at in your game. It is how I strive to play and what I appreciate and respect most in a player’s game. Phillips is strong, athletic, close to being a regular NHL Dman but I like the ceiling for others over him.

Roos is not a serious challenger or at minimum I am screaming to learn more about how well he has performed.

No reason why Crevier should be dispatched to Rockford for further development. Not that he is a star, but his performance is better than Tinordi or Zaitsev. In fact, rather Crevier than Kaiser for 20gp. Allow Kaiser to work on a few things in the AHL. I am all in on both Crevier and Kaiser in the NHL next season and they could finish this current campaign in Chicago as well

As for DelMastro and Allen, unless they have been superlative allow them to skate again for a partial season in the AHL. They will benefit from a solid stint in the AHL before tackling the NHL - Vlasic did and it can prove beneficial for others too

One consideration I seriously feel needs review is whether KK benefits from a stint in the AHL next season. He could concentrate on specific parts of his game. Should KK get 20 gp in the AHL then either or both DelMastro and Allen receive a 20 game look in Chicago

I hope that you feel by trade deadline 2024 each of the kids is here to stay - KK, Crevier, Allen, DiMastro and Kaiser. Of course Vlasic is automatic.

That makes six dmen so one of them is rotated or remains AHL since holdover S Jones isn’t going anywhere

Youth needs to be served full bore by the end of next season. The kids should be at the point where they need to grow into capable NHL dmen by actually playing here in The Show having given penance in the AHL

ADD
If you happen to notice how I omitted I Phillips, I am rooting for Allen and DelMastro to win out over Phillips as far as a physical Dman with game. I like Kaiser all around game once he matures. Moreovet I need Phillips to prove he is willing to use his big body consistently in checking. Let Phillips prove he is worthy for another team

I do have a bias as I believe in intensity and having as many attributes or areas you are good at in your game. It is how I strive to play and what I appreciate and respect most in a player’s game. Phillips is strong, athletic, close to being a regular NHL Dman but I like the ceiling for others over him.

Roos is not a serious challenger or at minimum I am screaming to learn more about how well he has performed.
- jhawk59

Couple things jhawk. Most of these young guys are LD. Unless some of them prove to be capable playing their off side, there will be a logjam.

Not to mention, KD will need to fill out the rest of the roster and will likely use the glut of quality D prospects to do so. I would expect at least two of these kids to be dealt.

For Knies and a 1st.
- Dieselhead

It would have to be, that first is probably the only top pick we don't have already

with Crevier playing well, and the season seemingly in tank mode (btw, SJS playing much better lately), any reconsideration of letting KK go to world jrs?

I'm assuming its too late, but if you had to do it over again, would you let him go?

with Crevier playing well, and the season seemingly in tank mode (btw, SJS playing much better lately), any reconsideration of letting KK go to world jrs?

I'm assuming its too late, but if you had to do it over again, would you let him go?
- vabeachbear

There is a pre tournament slate might be 2-3 gp. Last cuts are not always made until deadline when they think so and so might be released to play

Someone in the know can verify this. Unless changes made (rules), a late add has occurred in some years

Couple things jhawk. Most of these young guys are LD. Unless some of them prove to be capable playing their off side, there will be a logjam.

Not to mention, KD will need to fill out the rest of the roster and will likely use the glut of quality D prospects to do so. I would expect at least two of these kids to be dealt.
- Chunk

Well Allen recently went back to his natural side so Allen/DelMastro is no longer a pair. I think Phillips has been on other side at times past three years. I explained who I would move and provided an explanation. Of course any number of scenarios could happen -?not to mention draft a Dman in ‘24 if we have the third or down even more slots

Daniels and Redman are about as close as you're going to get to Clement and Thorne in this day and age.
- Dieselhead

I knew the announcer was Daniels. But it didn't sound like Redmond to me.

I listened to that 2nd period and it was nuts. I came away from listening to the Detroit radio feed with much respect for those two guys. Gave credit where credit was due to both sides without being homers. And no extra build up of the home team players as well. Matter of fact description of the game. Then I get home and turn on the Hawks telecast. What a difference. Vosters and Caley Chelios have their heads so far up the ass of management it's not funny.
Wideman and Murry on the Hawks radio cast do a good job as well.
- 6628

The same can be said of the podcast boys.

Couple things jhawk. Most of these young guys are LD. Unless some of them prove to be capable playing their off side, there will be a logjam.

Not to mention, KD will need to fill out the rest of the roster and will likely use the glut of quality D prospects to do so. I would expect at least two of these kids to be dealt.
- Chunk

That’s right Chunk, there’s definitely a logjam at LD and KD and his team will need to identify which ones to keep and which ones to move. I’m going out on the limb and say that KK, Vlasic, and Allan will be on the left side within two years. They’ll need a top four RD, whether that’s one of the prospects or someone from the outside.

Daniels and Redman are about as close as you're going to get to Clement and Thorne in this day and age.
- Dieselhead

I always thought Mickey Redmond was pretty fair with his call and objectivity whereas when I first moved up here Ken Daniels was more of a homer. He's gotten much better and I think overall they are a really solid duo.

That’s right Chunk, there’s definitely a logjam at LD and KD and his team will need to identify which ones to keep and which ones to move. I’m going out on the limb and say that KK, Vlasic, and Allan will be on the left side within two years. They’ll need a top four RD, whether that’s one of the prospects or someone from the outside.
- Angotti

I believe Allan just moved back to playing LD, but it sounds like they may try him again in RFD at RD.

I think Rinzel is the only true RD currently in the system.

Crevier looked the part last night, and I think somebody mentioned it earlier about him and Vlasic... "they were quiet." I couldn't agree more with this and it was a spot-on analysis. He will certainly have his bumps coming up, but he could be a GREAT surprise if he turns into something- like the rest of their rookies...fans need to have patience.

KK should continue to play at the NHL level. He will get better playing with the Hawks against the best talent in the world. They don't need him to be outstanding right now. They need him to play and learn from trial and error. I think their veteran defensemen have been significantly worse than their rookies. Again, everything looks worse because this team isn't complete, but I love KK and think he is going to be a monster in a few seasons.

Crevier looked the part last night, and I think somebody mentioned it earlier about him and Vlasic... "they were quiet." I couldn't agree more with this and it was a spot-on analysis. He will certainly have his bumps coming up, but he could be a GREAT surprise if he turns into something- like the rest of their rookies...fans need to have patience.

KK should continue to play at the NHL level. He will get better playing with the Hawks against the best talent in the world. They don't need him to be outstanding right now. They need him to play and learn from trial and error. I think their veteran defensemen have been significantly worse than their rookies. Again, everything looks worse because this team isn't complete, but I love KK and think he is going to be a monster in a few seasons.
- frafra

Just imagine if/when he learns how to really step into his shot. The nice thing about the big guys is that they can cover so much ground with their reach, but they seem very comfortable keeping their feet moving to fully cut off plays and drives to the net.

The play that Vlasic got the penalty called on him was a thing of damn beauty. I know it technically was a penalty, but that he got all the way back to even get in front of the puck carrier and neutralize the play was very impressive. It will be fun to see who rises to the top of the depth chart.

I believe Allan just moved back to playing LD, but it sounds like they may try him again in RFD at RD.

I think Rinzel is the only true RD currently in the system.
- HawkintheD

Crevier shoots right. Not at all sure where he has played predominantly over his career.

That’s right Chunk, there’s definitely a logjam at LD and KD and his team will need to identify which ones to keep and which ones to move. I’m going out on the limb and say that KK, Vlasic, and Allan will be on the left side within two years. They’ll need a top four RD, whether that’s one of the prospects or someone from the outside.
- Angotti

Probably a good guess. I would say that both Allan and del Mastro will be another year in the AHL. I know LR really liked Allan's game in the preseason, but I think he has a lot left to iron out in his game (and I've held him in higher regard than any other Hawks D prospect the past few years).

So does Little Nappi play whackamole with arguably his 2 best trade chips at the deadline Mrazek and Richardinson, and deal them for 2nd/3rd round draft choices or does he decide that for the next 2 years that it is more beneficial to keep them to actually help the players on the team now.

Anaheim is the third worst team in goals for in the league (only the Hawks and Sharks are worse). Yet Mrazek still faced 37 shots, many high danger. The young defenseman (let alone the vets) still need a goalie that can cover for their mistakes. How much worse would the D look if they didn't have confidence that every mistake would not automatically end up in the back of the net.

Richardinson this year has been the best forward not named Bedard. Forget about his offense, he totally owned Carlsson, winning 12 of 14 face-offs and playing lights out defensively.

Both are liked in the room, both have been leaders to the group, and have been thru the wars with the team. I actually wouldn't mind them extending Foligno for another year either. Considering Jones and Murphy aren't going anywhere, wouldn't the 5 be a good leadership for the kids going forward, and this way the GM can actually spend money to acquire players to provide skill on the ice, as opposed to searching for "leadership", AKA "we are still in tank mode".

Just imagine if/when he learns how to really step into his shot. The nice thing about the big guys is that they can cover so much ground with their reach, but they seem very comfortable keeping their feet moving to fully cut off plays and drives to the net.

The play that Vlasic got the penalty called on him was a thing of damn beauty. I know it technically was a penalty, but that he got all the way back to even get in front of the puck carrier and neutralize the play was very impressive. It will be fun to see who rises to the top of the depth chart.
- Chunk

What was the penalty, Paul and i have gone back and forth on this, that's what i enjoy about being able to play it back, Paul said Vlasics free hand was holding him, no that's not it, he did let go of his stick with his left hand so he could become longer to defend with his right hand on the stick, his reach goes past Terry, Terry jerks back because 72 brings his elbow into his chest not violently and knocks him slightly off balance, it was such a good defensive play, but as i said before benefit of the doubt goes to the experienced player. That's why Vlasic was upset with the call and he was right.

So does Little Nappi play whackamole with arguably his 2 best trade chips at the deadline Mrazek and Richardinson, and deal them for 2nd/3rd round draft choices or does he decide that for the next 2 years that it is more beneficial to keep them to actually help the players on the team now.

Anaheim is the third worst team in goals for in the league (only the Hawks and Sharks are worse). Yet Mrazek still faced 37 shots, many high danger. The young defenseman (let alone the vets) still need a goalie that can cover for their mistakes. How much worse would the D look if they didn't have confidence that every mistake would not automatically end up in the back of the net.

Richardinson this year has been the best forward not named Bedard. Forget about his offense, he totally owned Carlsson, winning 12 of 14 face-offs and playing lights out defensively.

Both are liked in the room, both have been leaders to the group, and have been thru the wars with the team. I actually wouldn't mind them extending Foligno for another year either. Considering Jones and Murphy aren't going anywhere, wouldn't the 5 be a good leadership for the kids going forward, and this way the GM can actually spend money to acquire players to provide skill on the ice, as opposed to searching for "leadership", AKA "we are still in tank mode".
- LAHawk

I'd like him to keep Richardinson. He's only 28 and is effective for what he does. Mrazek, it will depend on what someone offers - I believe. My hope is that at the TDL someone needs to offload an ugly contract and KD can get a roster player or at least a prospect that is close attached in the deal. Stockpiling draft picks has gone on long enough. He's got three more years worth of surplus.

What was the penalty, Paul and i have gone back and forth on this, that's what i enjoy about being able to play it back, Paul said Vlasics free hand was holding him, no that's not it, he did let go of his stick with his left hand so he could become longer to defend with his right hand on the stick, his reach goes past Terry, Terry jerks back because 72 brings his elbow into his chest not violently and knocks him slightly off balance, it was such a good defensive play, but as i said before benefit of the doubt goes to the experienced player. That's why Vlasic was upset with the call and he was right.
- BetweenTheDots

I just meant that a penalty was actually called on him. Don't pull me into your disagreement. I've got enough of my own to deal with.

I believe Allan just moved back to playing LD, but it sounds like they may try him again in RFD at RD.

I think Rinzel is the only true RD currently in the system.
- HawkintheD

If Vegas is looking for some forward depth at the TDL and they want D!ckinson, I would entertain a trade of him for their young RD Kaedan Korczak, 6-3, 190lbs. He looked good in the couple of games I've seen him play. Maybe he'll be expendable once Theodore and Martinez come offf LTIR/IR.

What was the penalty, Paul and i have gone back and forth on this, that's what i enjoy about being able to play it back, Paul said Vlasics free hand was holding him, no that's not it, he did let go of his stick with his left hand so he could become longer to defend with his right hand on the stick, his reach goes past Terry, Terry jerks back because 72 brings his elbow into his chest not violently and knocks him slightly off balance, it was such a good defensive play, but as i said before benefit of the doubt goes to the experienced player. That's why Vlasic was upset with the call and he was right.
- BetweenTheDots

Borderline call, refs realized it and "made up for it" when Raddish committed an obvious trip negating a scoring chance for the Ducks shortly thereafter, and a penalty on Kurashev that was not called.

this was all called out by the Duck's announcers, and agreed that Vlasic call was "weak", but the other non-calls were an acknowledgment by the refs of that.

I just meant that a penalty was actually called on him. Don't pull me into your disagreement. I've got enough of my own to deal with.

- Chunk

The more the merrier. Hahaha

In all seriousness i think we have two diamonds in the rough, Vlasic is definitely ahead of Korchinski but he's no slouch himself. Loved his aggressive move to the net where he just blew by the defender, more please.

So does Little Nappi play whackamole with arguably his 2 best trade chips at the deadline Mrazek and Richardinson, and deal them for 2nd/3rd round draft choices or does he decide that for the next 2 years that it is more beneficial to keep them to actually help the players on the team now.

Anaheim is the third worst team in goals for in the league (only the Hawks and Sharks are worse). Yet Mrazek still faced 37 shots, many high danger. The young defenseman (let alone the vets) still need a goalie that can cover for their mistakes. How much worse would the D look if they didn't have confidence that every mistake would not automatically end up in the back of the net.

Richardinson this year has been the best forward not named Bedard. Forget about his offense, he totally owned Carlsson, winning 12 of 14 face-offs and playing lights out defensively.

Both are liked in the room, both have been leaders to the group, and have been thru the wars with the team. I actually wouldn't mind them extending Foligno for another year either. Considering Jones and Murphy aren't going anywhere, wouldn't the 5 be a good leadership for the kids going forward, and this way the GM can actually spend money to acquire players to provide skill on the ice, as opposed to searching for "leadership", AKA "we are still in tank mode".
- LAHawk

Napoleon was also nick-named "Le Petit Caporal" (the little corporal). LPC would save a few keystrokes over Little Nappi.

Agree that D1ckinson and Mrazek are LPC's only trade chips. Maybe he'll keep them for the reasons outlined above and if he believes he has enough future draft picks. BTW, I already traded D1ckinson to Vegas at the TDL for a RD which I think is a position of need. See post above.

So does Little Nappi play whackamole with arguably his 2 best trade chips at the deadline Mrazek and Richardinson, and deal them for 2nd/3rd round draft choices or does he decide that for the next 2 years that it is more beneficial to keep them to actually help the players on the team now.

Anaheim is the third worst team in goals for in the league (only the Hawks and Sharks are worse). Yet Mrazek still faced 37 shots, many high danger. The young defenseman (let alone the vets) still need a goalie that can cover for their mistakes. How much worse would the D look if they didn't have confidence that every mistake would not automatically end up in the back of the net.

Richardinson this year has been the best forward not named Bedard. Forget about his offense, he totally owned Carlsson, winning 12 of 14 face-offs and playing lights out defensively.

Both are liked in the room, both have been leaders to the group, and have been thru the wars with the team. I actually wouldn't mind them extending Foligno for another year either. Considering Jones and Murphy aren't going anywhere, wouldn't the 5 be a good leadership for the kids going forward, and this way the GM can actually spend money to acquire players to provide skill on the ice, as opposed to searching for "leadership", AKA "we are still in tank mode".
- LAHawk

I think for those kind of players a lot of it will come down to what they want. Davidson might want them around again, but if he feels they are likely moving on, then he probably seriously considers what offers he can get or what deals can be made.

In a teardown rebuild like this you can expect them to mostly pick up leadership and character players because adding the "skilled" players means overpaying for more in dollars and for more term. You have to outbid the contenders whom these "skilled" players actually want to play for. The young draft picks are still mostly developing, so why overpay skilled players to just weaken your draft position and flounder in mediocrity? The Hawks are going to need more than one superstar and right now, they have one. They need to keep hitting the draft until they have more of their next core coming up and have enough to build around via trade and UFA.