They don’t deserve a point. Something needs to change otherwise every game is going to be the same.

It’s 3 years overdue.
- buckster2342

That’s a (frank)ing loser game. No other way to box it up.

Dude something has to give.

Too much overreaction around here tonight IMO. Flyers were better team tonight overall but not by that much. Pens were just super sloppy. It happens sometimes. 3 on 3 hockey is wack and a crapshoot. Never put too much stock in W's or L's in one.

That would be a jump the shark game for most NHL coaches.

Too much overreaction around here tonight IMO. Flyers were better team tonight overall but not by that much. Pens were just super sloppy. It happens sometimes. 3 on 3 hockey is wack and a crapshoot. Never put too much stock in W's or L's in one.
- MattStrat

OK butI don't think ppl are putting too much stock into one L. It's all of the L's all season long so far. Crosby looked terrible in the OT, why start him for that last FO after all of those turnovers.

OK butI don't think ppl are putting too much stock into one L. It's all of the L's all season long so far. Crosby looked terrible in the OT, why start him for that last FO after all of those turnovers.
- lemieux_66

Well what about all the regulation wins? almost the same amount as regulation losses. I guess some people expected a lot more than me haha

OK butI don't think ppl are putting too much stock into one L. It's all of the L's all season long so far. Crosby looked terrible in the OT, why start him for that last FO after all of those turnovers.
- lemieux_66

If not Sid, who are you going to have out there for an o-zone start with a minute to go in OT? Malkin looked terrible in OT, Eller looked terrible in OT, nobody looked good, and you need to try to score which rules out the most of the lineup.

Too much overreaction around here tonight IMO. Flyers were better team tonight overall but not by that much. Pens were just super sloppy. It happens sometimes. 3 on 3 hockey is wack and a crapshoot. Never put too much stock in W's or L's in one.
- MattStrat

No one is over reacting to one game. We are reacting to the cumulative season to date. It’s been underwhelming and the lack of any adjustments and changes is a fireable offense.

You don’t get a pass for dominating at 5on5 and then lose games because you have one of the worst PPs of all time and are too stubborn to make changes.

If not Sid, who are you going to have out there for an o-zone start with a minute to go in OT? Malkin looked terrible in OT, Eller looked terrible in OT, nobody looked good, and you need to try to score which rules out the most of the lineup.
- MickV

JC of course! How about Karlson just firing a puck into malkins skates? That was probably the worst OT I've ever seen of any team. I'd rather see them lose the first faceoff and give up a goal then see them constantly messing up passes and giving the other team the puck at any chance they can.

love the title

Pens are one of the best 5 on 5 teams in the league, though I haven't liked their game tonight overall. It's been pretty sloppy. Their PP stinks, it's the biggest issue by far.
- MattStrat

It doesn't feel like they've been that good of a 5v5 team for a little while aside from the top line being amazing. Definitely not since Rackell went down and they broke up the DOC-Eller-Zohorna line. An injury to a 0g wing shouldn't send you spiralling.

Underlying numbers suggest it could be worse. Since the start of November, aside from the Crosby line, the only forwards with positive xGF are Rackell and Harkins. If they haven't been getting such great goaltending, it would be really ugly.

Flyers forwards had 22 HITS... PEN's forwards had 3... 8 in total... Pettersson is the best D on the team... one, old worn-out player, did win 80% of his faceoffs...

It doesn't feel like they've been that good of a 5v5 team for a little while aside from the top line being amazing. Definitely not since Rackell went down and they broke up the DOC-Eller-Zohorna line. An injury to a 0g wing shouldn't send you spiralling.

Underlying numbers suggest it could be worse. Since the start of November, aside from the Crosby line, the only forwards with positive xGF are Rackell and Harkins. If they haven't been getting such great goaltending, it would be really ugly.
- Tojo.

I agree they haven't been playing as good. For me it's been about two'ish weeks. Right around when they lost Rak and Rust and Geno got sick. Having said that, in that time frame they've beaten Vegas, TO and Tampa. They're going to be up and down all season, that's what I expected. The 5 on 5 was getting them wins when the goalie and PP werent good, now the 5 on 5 has regressed a bit and PP still isn't good but the goaltending is mostly great haha. If they could put it all together, look out..I'm not so sure they do... But they could. Last year people were saying they peaked too early.. Last night was a pretty even game shots and chances wise, slight edge to Flyers overall. It's just the slop of the Pens at times really stood out. Its what sticks in the mind, especially in loses..especially vs the Flyers.. Albeit crapshoot 3 on 3 or shootout ones.

4 points out of 2nd in Metro this morning with same amount of games played, 3 points out of 3rd with one less played, on December 5th with 58 games left. I will stick to my original comment that there is some overreacting going on.

It doesn't feel like they've been that good of a 5v5 team for a little while aside from the top line being amazing. Definitely not since Rackell went down and they broke up the DOC-Eller-Zohorna line. An injury to a 0g wing shouldn't send you spiralling.

Underlying numbers suggest it could be worse. Since the start of November, aside from the Crosby line, the only forwards with positive xGF are Rackell and Harkins. If they haven't been getting such great goaltending, it would be really ugly.
- Tojo.

It could have a serious affect though. The 3rd line was atrocious until they added Z to doc and Eller. Moving doc up could re-mess up that line and doc just might not have the capabilities to be in the top 6, where even if Rak isn’t scoring he can still support the other 2. Between malkin’s flu and then Rak going out, that would line up with that line’s disappearance.

A year ago the pens were in 4th place with 30 pts.

Today they are 6th w 25 pts.

How do you flip 50% of the roster and regress?

A year ago the pens were in 4th place with 30 pts.

Today they are 6th w 25 pts.

How do you flip 50% of the roster and regress?
- sammy87

Huh? you dont think a 50% roster turnover could be a factor in inconsistency? There's been stretches of games this season, even when they've lost, that have pretty much exceeded any kind of play they had at any time last season.

It's like clockwork, you being around here when they're losing hahah...no sign of you during 5 game win streaks hahah

It could have a serious affect though. The 3rd line was atrocious until they added Z to doc and Eller. Moving doc up could re-mess up that line and doc just might not have the capabilities to be in the top 6, where even if Rak isn’t scoring he can still support the other 2. Between malkin’s flu and then Rak going out, that would line up with that line’s disappearance.
- 10inchTerror

Just calling Rak a 0G winger is a bit short sighted IMO. He's shown to be much more than that in his career and saying they're spiraling is a bit of an exaggeration IMO as well.

Rak was playing very good just not burying goals. He had 7 shots in some games. The Pens had 3 of the top 20 5 on 5 lines in the league when Rak was healthy and the 3rd line was Z, Doc and Eller.

Huh? you dont think a 50% roster turnover could be a factor in inconsistency? There's been stretches of games this season, even when they've lost, that have pretty much exceeded any kind of play they had at any time last season.

It's like clockwork, you being around here when they're losing hahah...no sign of you during 5 game win streaks hahah
- MattStrat

Lol (frank) do you care when I post? Must have a sad life if you’re keeping tabs.

So they’re playing well and still losing???!we’ll pop the champagne!!!!lol

Lol (frank) do you care when I post? Must have a sad life if you’re keeping tabs.

So they’re playing well and still losing???!we’ll pop the champagne!!!!lol
- sammy87

Oh I hit a nerve here this morning! Hahaha.... Who said I cared? Just an observation of a strange phenomenon, no need to get your panties in a knot, ya lil b!tch.

I dont think an overreaction is warranted. I think this team is a solid team, that will solid goaltending, is a playoff team.

But for me, beyond the powerplay, the most confusing thing is just how dumb this team is. This isnt what you'd expect of an older team, you wouldve expected these mistakes in 2007/2008 when the core was young and the supporting cast was relatively young. We are the oldest team in the league and we play like morons.

A year ago the pens were in 4th place with 30 pts.

Today they are 6th w 25 pts.

How do you flip 50% of the roster and regress?
- sammy87

They are picking up points at almost exactly the same rate as last year so far (equal rate would be 26 or 27 pts, last year they started hot then died).

Overall to date, their EV play, goaltending, and PK have all be good. The PP is just so bad that they would have to be top-5 in all of those other areas to be in a playoff spot with this PP. In 24 games at 5-on-4 they are only +2! No point looking any further than that.