Again, it’s not exclusive to today. MJL has been this big proponent of the teams developing players and I’ve been very vocal about it is about the player and not much at all to do with the organization. And ironically he switches his position today about Sanheim. Another win for me
- ClaudeFather

You're wrong. It is exclusive to today. Again, the conversation is about a 27 YEAR OLD player who has improved on his play from last year. Your reply here is ridiculously absurd. You laughably post that I have switched my position. You're being asinine here. Foolishly attempting to make it out to seem like it was a discussion on young prospect development. By the way, we had that discussion and you were proven wrong. We can have it again though if you wish. Reality is with the foolishness you've shown here. It's a blowout loss for you.

You're wrong. It is exclusive to today. Again, the conversation is about a 27 YEAR OLD player who has improved on his play from last year. Your reply here is ridiculously absurd. You laughably post that I have switched my position. You're being asinine here. Foolishly attempting to make it out to seem like it was a discussion on young prospect development. By the way, we had that discussion and you were proven wrong. We can have it again though if you wish. Reality is with the foolishness you've shown here. It's a blowout loss for you.
- MJL

So who developed the player?

hmm, that's not how i took it.

jd250 seems to be saying it is Torts and his coaching crew who have turned Sanheim around this year.

MJL said why didn't they do that last year? How is it not the player?

I agree with him. It is not Torts and his magic coaching, the player knuckled down and made changes to his diet and excercise programs and training habits. Sanheim has taken the reigns and ran with it.....I don't see how this is anything Torts did.
- TheFreak

As is always the case it ultimately falls to the player. In this case it’s pretty obvious Torts like a lot of fans thought there was more in there and rode him pretty hard last year and challenged him. It also pretty obvious Torts had All but given up on him as the Flyers openly tried to trade him this past summer. I really think the Flyers thought what we had seen is all we were gonna get. To Sanheims credit he took the constructive criticism and showed up with an FU attitude and looking back it appears the Flyers got lucky that no one traded for him. I honestly thought his play last year was indicative of what we were ever going to get. He’s proved me wrong this year…besides a couple of un even games( nit picking) Sanheim has played his best hockey since turning pro to start the season.

So who developed the player?
- ClaudeFather

Irrelevant to the discussion. Sanheim development as a young player is not a part of the conversation. He is not a young developing player.

Irrelevant to the discussion.
- MJL

😂😂😂😆

As is always the case it ultimately falls to the player. In this case it’s pretty obvious Torts like a lot of fans thought there was more in there and rode him pretty hard last year and challenged him. It also pretty obvious Torts had All but given up on him as the Flyers openly tried to trade him this past summer. I really think the Flyers thought what we had seen is all we were gonna get. To Sanheims credit he took the constructive criticism and showed up with an FU attitude and looking back it appears the Flyers got lucky that no one traded for him. I honestly thought his play last year was indicative of what we were ever going to get. He’s proved me wrong this year…besides a couple of un even games( nit picking) Sanheim has played his best hockey since turning pro to start the season.
- landros 2

something most people know

something most people know
- ClaudeFather

You can lead a horse to water…but you can’t make him drink. Credit to Sanheim for not pouting and doing what he need to do to get his game to another level. Some credit goes to coaching staff, but most of it goes to the player.

Again, it’s not exclusive to today. MJL has been this big proponent of the teams developing players and I’ve been very vocal about it is about the player and not much at all to do with the organization. And ironically he switches his position today about Sanheim. Another win for me
- ClaudeFather

The conversation I was apart of and referring to was todays and Sanheim, but I appreciate you correcting me in my thinking.

something most people know
- ClaudeFather

Where you've gone wrong is in thinking that anyone thinks differently. That's your error.

The conversation I was apart of and referring to was todays and Sanheim, but I appreciate you correcting me in my thinking.
- TheFreak

No worries. He also quickly scurried from his opinion that Hakstol developed him only to be informed that Hakstol had him for 49 games or so 😂

Where you've gone wrong is in thinking that anyone thinks differently. That's your error.
- MJL

Stop embarrassing yourself, we’ve all seen this argument before, don’t try and move the goalposts now

No worries. He also quickly scurried from his opinion that Hakstol developed him only to be informed that Hakstol had him for 49 games or so 😂
- ClaudeFather

Show me where I scurried from anything. You're showing your desperation. I'm embarrassed for you.

No, Sanheim did his primary developing before Tortorella. Mostly under Hakstol. The issue with Sanheim last year was that he was too passive. He was fine defensively but was not attacking and playing aggressively last year compared to this year. That was true of the majority of the team, especially defensively as they struggled to adapt to the way that Tortorella wanted them to play.
- MJL

tell us more about this developing under Hakstol. And the 4 coaches and 3 GMs…did the player mature and “develop” on his own, or was there some magical process you keep clamoring about? Or was it me, who stated many many times that development is almost exclusively on the individual player. You don’t have to answer, have a good night

Stop embarrassing yourself, we’ve all seen this argument before, don’t try and move the goalposts now
- ClaudeFather

Moving the goalposts? LMAO. How can anyone move the goalposts when no matter how much coaching or development guidance a player gets, the player has to go out and play. As if I think a coach can play for the player? Hysterical. What are you talking about?
You're the guy who thinks that coaching has nothing to do with player development. That is all has to do with the player.

tell us more about this developing under Hakstol. And the 4 coaches and 3 GMs…did the player mature and “develop” on his own, or was there some magical process you keep clamoring about? Or was it me, who stated many many times that development is almost exclusively on the individual player. You don’t have to answer, have a good night
- ClaudeFather

Okay, let's have this conversation again. If it is almost exclusively on the individual player. Why do NHL teams spend millions in resources every year on player development? Why do NHL teams employ skill coaches and pay a Director of player development? Employ player development coaches? Identify areas of development and plans for specific players and guide them through that process? Why do teams hire skating coaches for players? Goaltending coaches to work with young goalies and their specific skills. How about in junior or minor league hockey? Do coaches there work with players to develop them there or is it almost exclusively on the individual player there also?

If you want to say that the majority of the responsibility and credit is to the player. I would absolutely agree with you. To say it's pretty much independent of coaching, I would not. If it was, NHL teams wouldn't spend so much time and resources in working with young players. They would just throw them out there and see what happens.

This is the same answer I gave the last time we had this conversation.

I would guarantee, you could not get a single hockey executive, coach, legit hockey pundit who would agree with you that NHL teams don't play a significant role in player development and that it's not almost exclusively on the player.

Now you'll scurry away like a fool.

Okay, let's have this conversation again. If it is almost exclusively on the individual player. Why do NHL teams spend millions in resources every year on player development? Why do NHL teams employ skill coaches and pay a Director of player development? Employ player development coaches? Identify areas of development and plans for specific players and guide them through that process? Why do teams hire skating coaches for players? Goaltending coaches to work with young goalies and their specific skills. How about in junior or minor league hockey? Do coaches there work with players to develop them there or is it almost exclusively on the individual player there also?

If you want to say that the majority of the responsibility and credit is to the player. I would absolutely agree with you. To say it's pretty much independent of coaching, I would not. If it was, NHL teams wouldn't spend so much time and resources in working with young players. They would just throw them out there and see what happens.

This is the same answer I gave the last time we had this conversation.

I would guarantee, you could not get a single hockey executive, coach, legit hockey pundit who would agree with you that NHL teams don't play a significant role in player development and that it's not almost exclusively on the player.

Now you'll scurry away like a fool.
- MJL

Wasn't going to go on here tonight but with the early game tomorrow, I thought I'd hop on a minute and see what's going on. So shocking to see you arguing with and insulting someone. Congratulations! It's got to be tough being right all the time and being better than everyone. How do you do it?

Lycksell 2 more tonight, kid has been going since last season

Okay, let's have this conversation again. If it is almost exclusively on the individual player. Why do NHL teams spend millions in resources every year on player development? Why do NHL teams employ skill coaches and pay a Director of player development? Employ player development coaches? Identify areas of development and plans for specific players and guide them through that process? Why do teams hire skating coaches for players? Goaltending coaches to work with young goalies and their specific skills. How about in junior or minor league hockey? Do coaches there work with players to develop them there or is it almost exclusively on the individual player there also?

If you want to say that the majority of the responsibility and credit is to the player. I would absolutely agree with you. To say it's pretty much independent of coaching, I would not. If it was, NHL teams wouldn't spend so much time and resources in working with young players. They would just throw them out there and see what happens.

This is the same answer I gave the last time we had this conversation.

I would guarantee, you could not get a single hockey executive, coach, legit hockey pundit who would agree with you that NHL teams don't play a significant role in player development and that it's not almost exclusively on the player.

Now you'll scurry away like a fool.
- MJL

Avoiding the question I see,
Tell us more about Hakstol developing Sanheim and how the 4-5 coaches and 3 GMs made him develop so well? Third time ive asked, goal posts are miles apart now. This the MJL we all know, worm around and pretend to sound smart while avoiding questions

Wasn't going to go on here tonight but with the early game tomorrow, I thought I'd hop on a minute and see what's going on. So shocking to see you arguing with and insulting someone. Congratulations! It's got to be tough being right all the time and being better than everyone. How do you do it?
- Don Nachbaur

😂 he’s on a roll

Wasn't going to go on here tonight but with the early game tomorrow, I thought I'd hop on a minute and see what's going on. So shocking to see you arguing with and insulting someone. Congratulations! It's got to be tough being right all the time and being better than everyone. How do you do it?
- Don Nachbaur

I don't see any hockey content in your post here. Stop trolling.

Avoiding the question I see,
Tell us more about Hakstol developing Sanheim and how the 4-5 coaches and 3 GMs made him develop so well? Third time ive asked, goal posts are miles apart now. This the MJL we all know, worm around and pretend to sound smart while avoiding questions
- ClaudeFather

Empty rhetoric and senseless babble. I know that my post talking in depth on how NHL teams devote time and resources to develop players was too much for you. I posted a 3 paragraph response. I agree, it is the MJL we all know. A thoughtful and fact based response that puts you in your place. So much so that all you can respond with is the above nonsense.

😂 he’s on a roll
- ClaudeFather

Yes indeed! The "great one" on HB!

I don't see any hockey content in your post here. Stop trolling.
- MJL

Lol you took a minute longer than usual to reply. How do you find the time to be on here 24/7? You have called me an a$$ (among other things) and insult others regularly but you call me a troll. Ok, let's talk hockey...what do you propose the lines tomorrow if Torts has the guts to scratch ND?

Hayes 15 gp - 6 points

Ghost - 15 gp - 12 points. -4

Tony D 15 gp - 7 points. -9!!!

CC 14 gp - 16 points - team in last place.
- hello it's me 2050

Really?? Cole Caufield has 15 points and his team is just below the Flyers (not on one player). Is there anyone here that wishes we didn’t select the guy?

Lycksell 2 more tonight, kid has been going since last season
- wcorvette

I’d like to see him get a chance with the big club. Not holding my breathe with Lord Torts ruling the kingdom.