Haha. The debates in here basically boil down to differing opinions on the best way to get to a stanley cup. I have my opinion and thoughts but I will tell you, I’d happily tell everyone I was wrong if it were to come to pass that we take a path different than the one I felt best. All I want to do is attend a sc parade down broad street before I die.
- Hextall271

Agreed! The debates are fun anyway and I think we all want the same thing in the end. I just want a parade down Broad Street with the Cup while I can still enjoy it! Haven't been to a parade since the 1980 Sillies parade.

I don't have narratives. I make informed opinions. I hold strong in my belief that if guys like you could actually make a case to refute my informed opinions. You would but you can't. So, you respond with nonsense like the above and other posts you made today. To my discredit, I involve myself when I should really just ignore it. It's so dam entertaining though to watch you and others implode. Can't beat him at hockey so let's try something else.
- MJL

I don't see any hockey content in your post here. Stop trolling.

I don't have narratives. I make informed opinions. I hold strong in my belief that if guys like you could actually make a case to refute my informed opinions. You would but you can't. So, you respond with nonsense like the above and other posts you made today. To my discredit, I involve myself when I should really just ignore it. It's so dam entertaining though to watch you and others implode. Can't beat him at hockey so let's try something else.
- MJL

Come on dude, you need to start sniffing some reality! I've arm wrestled you on hockey issues here many times and come out victorious, but you're never going to admit it. In your eyes you have never been defeated in a debate on here, but that simply isn't reality. It's okay not to be the smartest kid in class every day. We all have our off days.

Agreed! The debates are fun anyway and I think we all want the same thing in the end. I just want a parade down Broad Street with the Cup while I can still enjoy it! Haven't been to a parade since the 1980 Sillies parade.
- Phillywhiteout

It's hysterical that you don't think that I want the very same thing. That I would complain if Tortorella led the team to the Stanley Cup.

Come on dude, you need to start sniffing some reality! I've arm wrestled you on hockey issues here many times and come out victorious, but you're never going to admit it. In your eyes you have never been defeated in a debate on here, but that simply isn't reality. It's okay not to be the smartest kid in class every day. We all have our off days.
- Phillywhiteout

You've arm wrestled me and come out victorious? Name one time? I'm not the smartest kid in the class. I'm just smarter than you and you can't handle that. There are plenty of posters on here who are an equal to me in knowledge on the game of hockey and some that are more knowledgeable.

It's hysterical that you don't think that I want the very same thing. That I would complain if Tortorella led the team to the Stanley Cup.
- MJL

It's kind of tongue in cheek, but some days I do wonder.

You've arm wrestled me and come out victorious? Name one time? I'm not the smartest kid in the class. I'm just smarter than you and you can't handle that. There are plenty of posters on here who are an equal to me in knowledge on the game of hockey and some that are more knowledgeable.
- MJL

I don't think you're smarter than me at all, so that is a non starter. I'll put my hockey acumen up against yours any day of the week. You look at fancy stats while I watch and understand what I'm watching. It's okay though. Life goes on...

It's kind of tongue in cheek, but some days I do wonder.
- Phillywhiteout

My issue is that I feel there is zero chance of this team reaching that goal under this regime led by Tortorella. The Flyers are not rebuilding. Tortorella all but confirmed that in his last press conference.

My issue is that I feel there is zero chance of this team reaching that goal under this regime led by Tortorella. The Flyers are not rebuilding. Tortorella all but confirmed that in his last press conference.
- MJL

I see lots of potential positives. They won't win under Torts, but things are moving in the right direction IMO. The big decisions are to be mad eon guys like Hart and TK. What to do there. I dunno... I'm just not in favor of a total rebuild cause I simply don't have the patience.

I don't think you're smarter than me at all, so that is a non starter. I'll put my hockey acumen up against yours any day of the week. You look at fancy stats while I watch and understand what I'm watching. It's okay though. Life goes on...
- Phillywhiteout

Lucky for me there is actually a record here on hockebuzz and your claim here is baseless. Regardless, we can wipe the record clean and start over again. Give you a chance. Ready when you are. Let's start by discussing Tortorella's systems with no stats involved. What do you think of his forecheck structure? What type of forecheck does Tortorella use?

Lucky for me there is actually a record here on hockebuzz and your claim here is baseless. Regardless, we can wipe the record clean and start over again. Give you a chance. Ready when you are. Let's start by discussing Tortorella's systems with no stats involved. What do you think of his forecheck structure? What type of forecheck does Tortorella use?
- MJL

I really do have to get moving here. Sorry bout that, but I'll be honest. I don't analyze the game to that level and never have. Perhaps you should be a coach. I'm a simple kind of guy. I do look at the stats that I feel are relevant and watch the games. That's enough for me to understand things very well. My prowess on here is not to be underestimated!

I really do have to get moving here. Sorry bout that, but I'll be honest. I don't analyze the game to that level and never have. Perhaps you should be a coach. I'm a simple kind of guy. I do look at the stats that I feel are relevant and watch the games. That's enough for me to understand things very well. My prowess on here is not to be underestimated!

- Phillywhiteout

No, no, you said I just rely on stats while you know what you're looking at. First time you're challenged on that you punk out. You're completely full of poop. Whether you want to use statistical analysis and analysis of play on the ice without stats. You don't match up. That will be further proven as I accept that challenge.

Lucky for me there is actually a record here on hockebuzz and your claim here is baseless. Regardless, we can wipe the record clean and start over again. Give you a chance. Ready when you are. Let's start by discussing Tortorella's systems with no stats involved. What do you think of his forecheck structure? What type of forecheck does Tortorella use?
- MJL

Also it seems that he has two go in and one stay up high in the zone. I also have noticed that the defensemen seem to be getting up into the play more this year. That's about all I got for now cause I gotta vamoose.

No, no, you said I just rely on stats while you know what you're looking at. First time you're challenged on that you punk out. You're completely full of poop. Whether you want to use statistical analysis and analysis of play on the ice without stats. You don't match up. That will be further proven as I accept that challenge.
- MJL

You're an analytical person. I can be when needed, but I tend not to over analyze and then I react quickly! Sometimes with good results and sometimes not. That's life I guess...go figure. I will be up for the challenge going forward however.

Also it seems that he has two go in and one stay up high in the zone. I also have noticed that the defensemen seem to be getting up into the play more this year. That's about all I got for now cause I gotta vamoose.
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers play a 2-1-2 spread forecheck where F1 and F2 are spread versus a 2-1-2 same lane forecheck that a lot of other coaches use where F1 and F2 approach from the same lane to double team the puck carrier.

You're an analytical person. I can be when needed, but I tend not to over analyze and then I react quickly! Sometimes with good results and sometimes not. That's life I guess...go figure. I will be up for the challenge going forward however.
- Phillywhiteout

No, actually I'm not an analytical person. My knowledge of the game of hockey is far stronger in the "eye test" than it is in analytical data. You're not up for it.

The Flyers play a 2-1-2 spread forecheck where F1 and F2 are spread versus a 2-1-2 same lane forecheck that a lot of other coaches use where F1 and F2 approach from the same lane to double team the puck carrier.
- MJL

can you explain what the F1 ND F2 represent.

Haha. The debates in here basically boil down to differing opinions on the best way to get to a stanley cup. I have my opinion and thoughts but I will tell you, I’d happily tell everyone I was wrong if it were to come to pass that we take a path different than the one I felt best. All I want to do is attend a sc parade down broad street before I die.
- Hextall271

Same here! I don't care how we get there nor do I care who gets us there. If my opinion and path were incorrect I'd happily eat crow!!
Just let me attend a SC parade before I die.
This is what I'm going to ask Santa for this Christmas!

If Tortorella was much more self-aware that he used to be than he used to be, he wouldn't keep doing the same crap as he has always done.

By the way I listened to the press conference that you labeled fantastic. It was scary to listen to. Tortorella confirmed all the issues I have with him. How he is stuck in the stone ages both in terms of how to build a team and how to develop players. He also confirmed that the Flyers are not actually trying to rebuild. They're trying to win with a little bit of rebuilding on the side.
- MJL

It's funny how fast torts changed course after he wrote the fan base a letter saying that we have to rebuild from the ground up... and now this season he is saying we are going to win. and as you said, give a side salad worth of rebuild to the menu
He could be the best used car salesman in Philly

What goes through your mind with this new shtick you have talking about me? Do you really think that's going to help you? You have enough trouble talking about hockey. When you're at the top, people want to take shots at you. 3 against 1, they're at a disadvantage.
- MJL

I know, we need more people to make it a fair fight

I don't think you're smarter than me at all, so that is a non starter. I'll put my hockey acumen up against yours any day of the week. You look at fancy stats while I watch and understand what I'm watching. It's okay though. Life goes on...
- Phillywhiteout