I think Konecny is a really good player but is he a player you sign to an 8 year deal for 8M a year or so? I don't know. I guess it depends on what one thinks the timeline is for the Flyers to get to contention. Have to think that any team you're going to trade Konecny to, is going to be a team that thinks it can win. So, you won't get a top 5 or top 10 pick likely. If you're not going to tank, then you should probably re-sign Konecny.
- MJL

so you want them to do the same thing they have been doing? You trade him regardless. They said they are not gonna tank.

The value of a player is not just about how good the player is. It's also about the market. There would potentially be a bigger market in the off season then at the deadline. Certainly a bigger market in both situations then there likely is now. The Flyers have control. They don't need to trade Konecny at any point this season. You set a price and if a team meets it, you make the deal. The other poster is wrong in stating that there are knowns. It's all speculation.
- MJL

I trade at the deadline gives said team 2 playoff runs with TK. That imo has a lot of value. More than a potential trade in the off season.

Then you can add if the flyers were smart they retain on him as well to get more coming back. TK at say half his current cap it would have many teams interested.

Thought you only deal with facts?

I think Konecny is a really good player but is he a player you sign to an 8 year deal for 8M a year or so? I don't know. I guess it depends on what one thinks the timeline is for the Flyers to get to contention. Have to think that any team you're going to trade Konecny to, is going to be a team that thinks it can win. So, you won't get a top 5 or top 10 pick likely. If you're not going to tank, then you should probably re-sign Konecny.
- MJL

I like TK a lot. I’d love to have him for a few more years, but there’s no way I’d sign him for 8x8. I fully expect the Flyers will do it tho.

I like TK a lot. I’d love to have him for a few more years, but there’s no way I’d sign him for 8x8. I fully expect the Flyers will do it tho.
- Dkos

well his BFF is here for 8 more years so he ,ay want tp stay with him. I would really question the desire to want to win with TK should he re-sign. He has known nothing but losing in the nhl.

I trade at the deadline gives said team 2 playoff runs with TK. That imo has a lot of value. More than a potential trade in the off season.

Then you can add if the flyers were smart they retain on him as well to get more coming back. TK at say half his current cap it would have many teams interested.

Thought you only deal with facts?
- hello it's me 2050

So you just want this team to blow it up and suck for 10 more years? And no, I don't agree with retaining any salary on TK if they trade him. He will have plenty of value without having to do that.

I like TK a lot. I’d love to have him for a few more years, but there’s no way I’d sign him for 8x8. I fully expect the Flyers will do it tho.
- Dkos

Why do you say no way? Think about the potential trade partners? What kind of team is going to want to deal for a 26-27 year old player who needs a new deal? A team that thinks that they can contend and he is a missing piece. That means any first round pick you get is most likely a later first round pick. Any prospect is likely from the same. Chances are you can get a deal similar to the Giroux deal. A good pick and a good prospect but chances are it won't result in getting elite talent. If the Flyers aren't going to tank, which I don't think they will. Might as well re-sign him.

So you just want this team to blow it up and suck for 10 more years? And no, I don't agree with retaining any salary on TK if they trade him. He will have plenty of value without having to do that.
- Phillywhiteout

Maybe just suck for 5 more years.

Why, so you can have another weeklong argument session why your favorite player is better than someone else's favorite player?

Seriously, do people drink bleach for breakfast now. If you root for a team, don't you want EVERYONE to succeed and the ultimate goal is to WIN.
- Glak18

Just saying, with Couts out the team needs a player like Frost to step up, it really goes without saying. Fortunately for the Flyers several players stepped up last night, Frost was just average, nothing special from him.

always makes laugh when i see you type this cliff
- hello it's me 2050

I know, he can’t just talk hockey, he always has to make it personal.

Why do you say no way? Think about the potential trade partners? What kind of team is going to want to deal for a 26-27 year old player who needs a new deal? A team that thinks that they can contend and he is a missing piece. That means any first round pick you get is most likely a later first round pick. Any prospect is likely from the same. Chances are you can get a deal similar to the Giroux deal. A good pick and a good prospect but chances are it won't result in getting elite talent. If the Flyers aren't going to tank, which I don't think they will. Might as well re-sign him.
- MJL

I don’t think you go in with blinders. Tk has turned into a difference maker, a guy who was a good part of a line to one who drives a line, health will be key.

Other things to consider, the deal he wants to stay, how much will the cap go up, and the big one, how has the rest of the players in the organization developed. If MM, Cutter, Bonk, and the rest of the pool get close to their ceiling, it changes things. TK might take less term to stay or there might not be a position for him. I know the first game vs Buff I was imagining MM or Cutter with a few of those chances and I thought goal.

Last season the franchise was healthy and most all players stepped forward, another step and there is no choice to trade some of them, not enough room, plus good to take solid assets and trade for different assets of need, re-shape.

I agree a contender will find it difficult to pay up for TK but 3 team trades can help. Plus if TK is healthy and mid-tier team would think TK could be a key part in taking the next step, they would have room and the assets.

What’s true is the team is playing good hockey, aggressive and they have some pieces, pieces coming and loaded with picks this coming draft. Yea, they can and will probably drop off, talent and hard work beat less talent and hard work. Briere needs to thread the needle and make the right call but if TK is reasonable, no offers blow you away and the franchise takes a step forward this season, I won’t be disappointed if TK stays

So you just want this team to blow it up and suck for 10 more years? And no, I don't agree with retaining any salary on TK if they trade him. He will have plenty of value without having to do that.
- Phillywhiteout

so you want to sign him for 8 more years and accomplish what exactly?

Absolutely you retain depending on the return. it is only rest of this year and 1 more. Flyers wont need the cap space since you know they are rebuilding and all

Yeah, he hasn't been dominate...that's just narrative at play, but he hasn't played poorly either.
- Glak18

Exactly, Frost was far from dominant last night, but MJL tells me I don’t know what I’m watching

Why do you say no way? Think about the potential trade partners? What kind of team is going to want to deal for a 26-27 year old player who needs a new deal? A team that thinks that they can contend and he is a missing piece. That means any first round pick you get is most likely a later first round pick. Any prospect is likely from the same. Chances are you can get a deal similar to the Giroux deal. A good pick and a good prospect but chances are it won't result in getting elite talent. If the Flyers aren't going to tank, which I don't think they will. Might as well re-sign him.
- MJL

if he is traded this deadline he will have more value than CC. Again they will have him for 2 playoff runs.

Why re-sign him? all that does is keep the status quo

That’s where I’m torn. I love tk’s game. I think with the right line he could hit 35 or 40. Sick skill. But yes. If we can get a boatload, then you have to. You want to talk skill. The other day vs Anaheim, hard pass and he’s close to the right dot on forehand. One times the pass coming from his left and puts it under the bar. Omg that’s a hard play to execute. Absolute skill.
- Hextall271

I think it’s dumb to trade a young 35+ goal scorer who plays the right way and in all situations and is a good leader, and a great goalie like Hart. This team really does not need a boat load. They really just need a top pairing defenseman and another good center and they are going to be right there.

I don’t think you go in with blinders. Tk has turned into a difference maker, a guy who was a good part of a line to one who drives a line, health will be key.

Other things to consider, the deal he wants to stay, how much will the cap go up, and the big one, how has the rest of the players in the organization developed. If MM, Cutter, Bonk, and the rest of the pool get close to their ceiling, it changes things. TK might take less term to stay or there might not be a position for him. I know the first game vs Buff I was imagining MM or Cutter with a few of those chances and I thought goal.

Last season the franchise was healthy and most all players stepped forward, another step and there is no choice to trade some of them, not enough room, plus good to take solid assets and trade for different assets of need, re-shape.

I agree a contender will find it difficult to pay up for TK but 3 team trades can help. Plus if TK is healthy and mid-tier team would think TK could be a key part in taking the next step, they would have room and the assets.

What’s true is the team is playing good hockey, aggressive and they have some pieces, pieces coming and loaded with picks this coming draft. Yea, they can and will probably drop off, talent and hard work beat less talent and hard work. Briere needs to thread the needle and make the right call but if TK is reasonable, no offers blow you away and the franchise takes a step forward this season, I won’t be disappointed if TK stays
- wcorvette

lol why would he do that? this is his last chance for the big contract.

A contender will not find it difficult. He has a good contract that is easily tradeable. His contract isnt an issue in any way if they want to move it.

Shot attempts with Frost on the ice 7-1. Frost with 2 individual scoring chances. Goals 2-0. xGF% 76.71 Scoring chances 6-1. Faceoffs 3-1

What do you have to counter that? To show that it's a narrative?
- MJL

Frost last night:
0 0 0 1

Season:
5gms, 0 0 0pts +1

Just saying, with Couts out the team needs a player like Frost to step up, it really goes without saying. Fortunately for the Flyers several players stepped up last night, Frost was just average, nothing special from him.
- jd250

Do you ever rewatch games prior to commenting?

I think it’s dumb to trade a young 35+ goal scorer who plays the right way and in all situations and is a good leader, and a great goalie like Hart. This team really does not need a boat load. They really just need a top pairing defenseman and another good center and they are going to be right there.
- jd250

TK will have 9 nhl seasons under his belt when his new contract kicks in. That isn't a young player. He also has never scored 35 goals. My bad pace.

Hart is not great.

Right where? How many on the current D or in the organization will in the top 6 when they are "contenders"? The current forwards struggle to score. Why will that change?

I don’t think you go in with blinders. Tk has turned into a difference maker, a guy who was a good part of a line to one who drives a line, health will be key.

Other things to consider, the deal he wants to stay, how much will the cap go up, and the big one, how has the rest of the players in the organization developed. If MM, Cutter, Bonk, and the rest of the pool get close to their ceiling, it changes things. TK might take less term to stay or there might not be a position for him. I know the first game vs Buff I was imagining MM or Cutter with a few of those chances and I thought goal.

Last season the franchise was healthy and most all players stepped forward, another step and there is no choice to trade some of them, not enough room, plus good to take solid assets and trade for different assets of need, re-shape.

I agree a contender will find it difficult to pay up for TK but 3 team trades can help. Plus if TK is healthy and mid-tier team would think TK could be a key part in taking the next step, they would have room and the assets.

What’s true is the team is playing good hockey, aggressive and they have some pieces, pieces coming and loaded with picks this coming draft. Yea, they can and will probably drop off, talent and hard work beat less talent and hard work. Briere needs to thread the needle and make the right call but if TK is reasonable, no offers blow you away and the franchise takes a step forward this season, I won’t be disappointed if TK stays
- wcorvette

The decision has to be made whether to re-sign Konecny within the next year. None of Gauthier, Bonk or Michkov will likely be a factor in that decision yet.

so you want to sign him for 8 more years and accomplish what exactly?

Absolutely you retain depending on the return. it is only rest of this year and 1 more. Flyers wont need the cap space since you know they are rebuilding and all
- hello it's me 2050

I want a very good return if we part ways with him. I'm fence riding as far as trading him or not. As I said before, if they didn't sign Coots to that ridiculous contract I would probably lean towards keeping TK and actually making him the captain as the new kids permeate the roster. However, with that Coots contract already on the books I just don't know.

I know, he can’t just talk hockey, he always has to make it personal.
- jd250

This isn't going to help you.

The decision has to be made whether to re-sign Konecny within the next year. None of Gauthier, Bonk or Michkov will likely be a factor in that decision yet.
- MJL

Of course they will, bonk less but another the team will have a good idea what they have in Cutter and have pretty good idea on MM, where they fit, nothing is 100%, then or. Trading tk for almost nhl ready and picks, TK seems to be the only constant. They land a top D, via draft or trade, changed things. Again, not easy, threading the needle but for the first time in a long while they have options.

Exactly, Frost was far from dominant last night, but MJL tells me I don’t know what I’m watching
- jd250

You have a reading comprehension issue. My statement was made after the first period. A period in which Frost was a dominant player. The facts back that up. Overall, Frost has an outstanding game last night. He was all around the puck. Had a number of quality individual scoring chances as well as another handful of high quality setups for his linemates.

You don't know what you're watching. That is well documented. Your recent comments of Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman. McAvoy is not an elite defenseman, Sanheim SUCKS as well as a recent statement that you just see it with Farabee as he has 5 goals and 4 assists for 9 points in 11 games and is a +5. These are just the most recent examples of your ineptitude.

I want a very good return if we part ways with him. I'm fence riding as far as trading him or not. As I said before, if they didn't sign Coots to that ridiculous contract I would probably lean towards keeping TK and actually making him the captain as the new kids permeate the roster. However, with that Coots contract already on the books I just don't know.
- Phillywhiteout

whats a very good return in your eyes?

whats a very good return in your eyes?
- hello it's me 2050

A first round pick and two prospects...minimum.