Nylander is one of the best right wingers in the world.

I’m saying Woll = Bower
- Cush29

just slightly younger

Any time you see lopsided shot totals like that, something is going wrong for the team on the muddy end of that stick. 50+ shots is a sign of a leaky defense, an ineffective forecheck, or both.

Looks like Woll is the starter now until he or Sammy proves otherwise.
- GalacticStone

Woll against Dallas and Sammy against the Preds would be my guess

I hated it at the time (becauseit included moreno), but so many were confident varsho was amazing.
I hate it even more now....im sure varsho feels the same.
2023
Varsho: 116 hits, 20 hr, 61 rbi , war 3.9, career war 10. 5 this season - 3 years control
Gurriel: 144 hits, 24 hr, 82 rbi, war 3.0, career war 10.8 - FA

Even a one for one trade, that would be pretty close
Then you add in Moreno, the jays top prospect
Moreno: 97 hits, 7 hr, 50 rbi War 4.3

I understand guerriel had one down year before being traded and hes an FA now that will cost a pretty penny but to give up your best prospect for varsho...ugh. Even if varsho is amazing in the outfield.
Total runs saved
Varsho - 29
Guerriel - 14
Moreno - 20


Kirk - 17

And i know, fielding was a concern for the jays but hitting cost them this year.
- Fakepartofme

its all hindsight. Jays brass went into last offseason looking for LH bats and an emphasis on defense. They assumed that their star hitters would improve. All but one regressed. Thats why we blame the 3rd base coach.

Oilers still only 1 win.

They have to right this ship soon.

A fun read for Jays fans.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-ahead-for-the-blue-jays/

Nylander is one of the best right wingers in the world.
- Zezel

Yuppers
8 years x 10m.

Nylander is one of the best right wingers in the world.
- Zezel

I think it's pretty clear that is right up there with Ducherov, Pastaneck, and Oh-Vey-Kin.

I just set a full fantasy roster and have $68m in cap space remaining.

I'm bored with Ek's league and now I am just gonna run some ridiculous rosters and see what kind of fantasy points I can scum up from nothing.

I just set a full fantasy roster and have $68m in cap space remaining.

I'm bored with Ek's league and now I am just gonna run some ridiculous rosters and see what kind of fantasy points I can scum up from nothing.
- GalacticStone

How was music night?

Was it as good as I imagined it would be?

My kids' old elementary school had a ukulele orchestra. Oh boy, that was a lot of fun to sit through.

its all hindsight. Jays brass went into last offseason looking for LH bats and an emphasis on defense. They assumed that their star hitters would improve. All but one regressed. Thats why we blame the 3rd base coach.
- drexel

good way to sum it up
Kirk, Vlad, Springer and Chapman all had down seasons..also Bo was down a little with his bat.

if they reversed the varsho trade and instead traded Kirk for something. i dont think it overcomes any of the above regressions

I see what you’re saying man. Personally I don’t think Leafs (at least Tre) likes either that much.

I don’t think not giving Sammy a long term commitment had anything to do with Woll to be honest. Toronto me it was because of their uncertainty about Sammy. He isn’t proven and he’s proven to be up and down through his career so far and he’s pulled up lame at spots during his time in torornto (most recently the playoffs). It was more about Sammy than Woll in my opinion.
- Big23Questions

Treliving doesn't exactly have a strong history with goalies. In Calgary he signed Jonas Hiller, Chad Johnson, Louis Domingue and Jacob Markstrom. He traded for Brian Elliott, Mike Smith, Eddie Lack - and Dan Vladar near the end of his time there, too.

Hiller, Johnson, Domingue, Elliott, Lack and Vladar were all backups or even at times tertiary components on other teams - and both Hiller and Elliott were called upon to be the #1 guy in Calgary. Most of them were up and down - Hiller was decent in year one and abysmal in year two. Elliott, on a one-way deal, was about league average. Mike Smith was great in his first year and dreadful in his second. Even Markstrom, who may be slightly more marquee than the other names, struggled badly in year one, was excellent in year two, and was pretty run-of-the-mill last year.

We'll see what happens here, but it's been 30 years since a Leaf drafted talent emerged as _our_ #1 goalie and it would be nice to have it happen again.

Treliving doesn't exactly have a strong history with goalies. In Calgary he signed Jonas Hiller, Chad Johnson, Louis Domingue and Jacob Markstrom. He traded for Brian Elliott, Mike Smith, Eddie Lack - and Dan Vladar near the end of his time there, too.

Hiller, Johnson, Domingue, Elliott, Lack and Vladar were all backups or even at times tertiary components on other teams - and both Hiller and Elliott were called upon to be the #1 guy in Calgary. Most of them were up and down - Hiller was decent in year one and abysmal in year two. Elliott, on a one-way deal, was about league average. Mike Smith was great in his first year and dreadful in his second. Even Markstrom, who may be slightly more marquee than the other names, struggled badly in year one, was excellent in year two, and was pretty run-of-the-mill last year.

We'll see what happens here, but it's been 30 years since a Leaf drafted talent emerged as _our_ #1 goalie and it would be nice to have it happen again.
- Monkeypunk

I am rooting for him.

If he can be a starter for 750K the next 2 seasons that is huge. Can just sign some veteran Varlomov like player for 1 year 2-3M. Would be huge to have so little tied up into goaltending.

Woll against Dallas and Sammy against the Preds would be my guess
- Canada Cup

Woll deserves the next start no matter what. If Keefe starts Samsonov next game he’s doing a terrible job coaching.

Figure out the starter for the preds after the Dallas game.

Yuppers
8 years x 10m.
- Fakepartofme

On which team?

Treliving doesn't exactly have a strong history with goalies. In Calgary he signed Jonas Hiller, Chad Johnson, Louis Domingue and Jacob Markstrom. He traded for Brian Elliott, Mike Smith, Eddie Lack - and Dan Vladar near the end of his time there, too.

Hiller, Johnson, Domingue, Elliott, Lack and Vladar were all backups or even at times tertiary components on other teams - and both Hiller and Elliott were called upon to be the #1 guy in Calgary. Most of them were up and down - Hiller was decent in year one and abysmal in year two. Elliott, on a one-way deal, was about league average. Mike Smith was great in his first year and dreadful in his second. Even Markstrom, who may be slightly more marquee than the other names, struggled badly in year one, was excellent in year two, and was pretty run-of-the-mill last year.

We'll see what happens here, but it's been 30 years since a Leaf drafted talent emerged as _our_ #1 goalie and it would be nice to have it happen again.
- Monkeypunk

To be fair, not many GMs have a strong history with goalies because they are voodoo.

OVI with 14 shots.

To be fair, not many GMs have a strong history with goalies because they are voodoo.
- mjones242

I don't know if they are so much voodoo...They are just put in a position to be significant every game.

Clarkson scored 30 once. You put a meh player on the top line and give him PP time he may get a bunch of points one year but none the next.

You can shelter a player but you can not shelter a goalie.

I don't know if they are so much voodoo...They are just put in a position to be significant every game.

Clarkson scored 30 once. You put a meh player on the top line and give him PP time he may get a bunch of points one year but none the next.

You can shelter a player but you can not shelter a goalie.
- Santo_44

Jack Campbell is an example of voodoo. He was elite for several months and then he dropped off a cliff.

Few goalies can consistently be dialed in year-on-year.

To wit: Tree can't be fully blamed for his goalie track record.

Jack Campbell is an example of voodoo. He was elite for several months and then he dropped off a cliff.

Few goalies can consistently be dialed in year-on-year.
- mjones242

Jack Campbell also has confidence issues, the mental part is a skill as well. The Oilers were dumb to sign him long term, Dubas wanted no part in that and that was a red flag.

I think its why Leafs are so high on him, seems to be a calm collective guy.

But I think the goalies are "voodoo" is a bit overblown.

Jack Campbell also has confidence issues, the mental part is a skill as well. The Oilers were dumb to sign him long term, Dubas wanted no part in that and that was a red flag.

I think its why Leafs are so high on him, seems to be a calm collective guy.

But I think the goalies are "voodoo" is a bit overblown.
- Santo_44

If "voodoo" is overblown then I would submit that there are just very, very few goalies who are "good."

Was Tree "dumb" for signing Markstrom? In retrospect, maybe? Hard to say considering his last few years have been either mediocre or Vezina quality.

Numbers may be largely inflated by the teams put in front of goalies. Linus Ullmark, I'm looking at you.

If "voodoo" is overblown then I would submit that there are just very, very few goalies who are "good."

Numbers may be largely inflated by the teams put in front of goalies. Linus Ullmark, I'm looking at you.
- mjones242

Injuries effect goalies just like players.

You see players have big jumps in play as well.

Its way too early...but if Woll takes the job Tree should sign Freddy to 1B him next year

OVI with 14 shots.
- mjones242

To me, this is actually a negative for Washington.

Seems like he has zero confidence so he's taking shots from anywhere, hoping for a little puckluck.

We call that "Jason Blake Syndrome."

Treliving doesn't exactly have a strong history with goalies. In Calgary he signed Jonas Hiller, Chad Johnson, Louis Domingue and Jacob Markstrom. He traded for Brian Elliott, Mike Smith, Eddie Lack - and Dan Vladar near the end of his time there, too.

Hiller, Johnson, Domingue, Elliott, Lack and Vladar were all backups or even at times tertiary components on other teams - and both Hiller and Elliott were called upon to be the #1 guy in Calgary. Most of them were up and down - Hiller was decent in year one and abysmal in year two. Elliott, on a one-way deal, was about league average. Mike Smith was great in his first year and dreadful in his second. Even Markstrom, who may be slightly more marquee than the other names, struggled badly in year one, was excellent in year two, and was pretty run-of-the-mill last year.

We'll see what happens here, but it's been 30 years since a Leaf drafted talent emerged as _our_ #1 goalie and it would be nice to have it happen again.
- Monkeypunk

How many gms do have a strong history with goalies?

Im hoping wollee mammoth turns out to be a legit starter for the leafs some day.