L ets say a player scores at a 3rd line rate for 5/6 years in a row. Is that player a consistent player? Or is he inconsistent because he doesn't produce at a 1st line rate? Keeping in mind that you’ve only associated production with consistent play
- ClaudeFather

First of all, you're incorrect that I've only associated production with consistent play. I've asked you multiple times to provide any facts on any aspect of the game to support your disagreement with my stance. You have failed to do so.

As I've said multiple times in this discussion, on this thread and on the previous thread, that what is consistent is subjective. One person may have a different opinion than another. Context also matters. One player that has been named is Nic Deslauriers. A poster said he is terrible every year, so he is consistent. One can look at a players production from season to season and say, yea, he's consistent. That however was not the context that I was looking at it from. I'm looking at it from game to game through a season. Obvious from my use of scoring slumps and game to game production. The overwhelming majority of players are inconsistent from game to game. That is the nature of the sport.

So a wing in the best team in the league, a record breaking team that is, verse a center on one of the worst teams in the league? And Boston has been good almost pastas entire career there. Do you think that would skew his numbers favorably? Or do you just post random numbers and laugh to yourself tbinking you’re so smart
- ClaudeFather

They're not random numbers. They're facts. Certainly linemates, game conditions and a number of factors play in. However those numbers don't suggest nor support the statement you made about Pasternak's defensive play.

I don't think I'm so smart. Just smarter than you. All you can offer is rhetoric.

First of all, you're incorrect that I've only associated production with consistent play. I've asked you multiple times to provide any facts on any aspect of the game to support your disagreement with my stance. You have failed to do so.

As I've said multiple times in this discussion, on this thread and on the previous thread, that what is consistent is subjective. One person may have a different opinion than another. Context also matters. One player that has been named is Nic Deslauriers. A poster said he is terrible every year, so he is consistent. One can look at a players production from season to season and say, yea, he's consistent. That however was not the context that I was looking at it from. I'm looking at it from game to game through a season. Obvious from my use of scoring slumps and game to game production. The overwhelming majority of players are inconsistent from game to game. That is the nature of the sport.
- MJL

That’s an extremely foolish way to look at it. As mentioned before, a player can have a great game and not score. And sub star players will go on scoring slumps, that doesn’t mean their effort and engagement is not consistent night in and night out

They're not random numbers. They're facts. Certainly linemates, game conditions and a number of factors play in. However those numbers don't suggest nor support the statement you made about Pasternak's defensive play.

I don't think I'm so smart. Just smarter than you. All you can offer is rhetoric.
- MJL

youve solved the riddle bub

Who said that we should expect that? You tell me, how is Pasternak's defensive effort every night? Time for you to put some skin in the game and come up with something relevant. Bring some facts to the table to support your stance.
- MJL

what facts have you shown that the majority of NHL are inconsistent? practice what you preach

That’s an extremely foolish way to look at it. As mentioned before, a player can have a great game and not score. And sub star players will go on scoring slumps, that doesn’t mean their effort and engagement is not consistent night in and night out
- ClaudeFather

A player can have a great game without scoring. There are players that rarely score that play consistently. If your premise that I only look at scoring production was true. Why would I have named Seeler as a consistent player? You don't offer any facts. Only hypotheticals. Konecny during his scoring slumps was clearly not the same player that he was when he was carrying the team offensively. That is inconsistency. What is foolish is not looking at a player scoring consistency when scoring is the players best attribute and strongest part of his game. Along with the role he is in.

Semantics yet again. The great sports debate! Does anyone remember that show? That was back when Philly media was actually worth listening to. The reality is that consistency should be on a year to year deal. Does a player consistently produce similar numbers year after year. The season is 82 games long and there will be ebbs and slows for every player. Only the best of the best are gonna find the scoring column night after night. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

on prism...when angelo actually reported. How that goof made millions of dollars is beyond me.

speaking of which. Haven't listened to wip in decades. Happened to turn it on while searching in the car. What do I hear Ike "can i ax you question" Reese. How that hell is that mush mouth still on the air?

on prism...when angelo actually reported. How that goof made millions of dollars is beyond me.

speaking of which. Haven't listened to wip in decades. Happened to turn it on while searching in the car. What do I hear Ike "can i ax you question" Reese. How that hell is that mush mouth still on the air?
- hello it's me 2050

I liked watching DNL on comcast. Gone.

There are many who are saying that within 3-5 years all teams will be going to pay per view/streaming route with their games and that channels like NBC sports philly will disappear.

We just saw the Canadiens talk about starting their streaming service this season. I think most franchises will follow suit sooner than later.

I liked watching DNL on comcast. Gone.

There are many who are saying that within 3-5 years all teams will be going to pay per view/streaming route with their games and that channels like NBC sports philly will disappear.

We just saw the Canadiens talk about starting their streaming service this season. I think most franchises will follow suit sooner than later.
- MBFlyerfan

I am so far out of the loop when it comes to that stuff. Sad but true.

Who said that we should expect that? You tell me, how is Pasternak's defensive effort every night? Time for you to put some skin in the game and come up with something relevant. Bring some facts to the table to support your stance.
- MJL

You first - “the overwhelming majority of NHL players are inconsistent” where’s your “facts” or “data”?

You talk of empty rhetoric and then spew nonsense like that. Let’s not forget, this all because someone called Morgan frost inconsistent… so you swoop in to his defense saying the whole league is inconsistent…

Mental gymnastics

Good morning everyone else! ☀️

Careful….They said that about Steve Yzerman once upon a time. I know what you are saying about mental makeup when it comes to playoffs, but sometimes these guys need a few kicks at the can. Yes there is less ice in the playoffs, but I wouldn’t necessarily write Pasta off as a playoff bust just yet, great players have a way of eventually adapting.
- landros 2

Pastrnak is not a playoff bust, he scored 5 goals in 7 games this plast playoffs in fact which is fine. I just feel TK has more intangibles, tougher to play against, grittier, etc. that I would prefer what TK brings on the whole over what Pastrnak brings.

What were the flaws that "we all saw" in the playoffs. Pasternak has played 77 playoff games in his career. He has scored 35 goals and 44 assists for 79 points in those playoff games. What factual information can you supply to support your opinion that Konecny would be better?

Do you honestly believe that there is a single hockey exec, analyst, scout or coach that would choose Konecny over Pasternak?

This is just another in a long line of ridiculously absurd opinions offered by you.
- MJL

There you go again, looking at stats only. Do you watch Pastrnak play? Actually watch the games? I do. So do many others in this area. Pastrnak is a good scorer there is no doubt about it. But points are not all there is, especially in the playoffs. Pastrnak is a soft player and though he scores as you have pointed out, he hurts you in other ways. TK scores also. As I mentioned if TK played a full season with players comparable to Bergeron and Marchand, he could score 90+ points, which is comparable to Pastrnak minus his career year last season. But in the playoffs, IMO TK would be a much more impactful player than Pastrnak when you consider things other than goals.

Pastrnak is not a playoff bust, he scored 5 goals in 7 games this plast playoffs in fact which is fine. I just feel TK has more intangibles, tougher to play against, grittier, etc. that I would prefer on the whole than a Pastrnak.
- jd250

Is this an example of your "spot on" player evaluations?

Is this an example of your "spot on" player evaluations?
- MJL

It's my opinion. If I had a choice I pick TK over Pastrnak.

There you go again, looking at stats only. Do you watch Pastrnak play? Actually watch the games? I do. So do many others in this area. Pastrnak is a good scorer there is no doubt about it. But points are not all there is, especially in the playoffs. Pastrnak is a soft player and though he scores as you have pointed out, he hurts you in other ways. TK scores also. As I mentioned if TK played a full season with players comparable to Bergeron and Marchand, he could score 90+ points, which is comparable to Pastrnak minus his career year last season. But in the playoffs, IMO TK would be a much more impactful player than Pastrnak when you consider things other than goals.
- jd250

So let's summarize.
You have an issue with me looking at the facts while you ignore them.
You rely on fallacies and unproven hypotheticals such as you think that Konecny would score 90+ points if he played with different players. That very well could wind up being true but as of now, that is not a fact.
You think that considering other things, which you fail to name, quantify or support in any manner, that Konecny would be more impactful in the playoffs.

Somehow these "other things" would make more of an impact in the playoffs than Pasternak's 35 goals, 44 assists and 79 points in 77 games.

I'd like to explore these other things and what they are and how they would make Konecny more impactful. First of all, you need to quantify what they actually are.

It's my opinion. If I had a choice I pick TK over Pastrnak.
- jd250

I know it's your opinion. We can add it to the list of your spot on player evaluations. You can use it to expose me.

Can't a player consistantly score 20 goals a year, and still have inconsistant effort and play game after game? It's a long season, and noone can play at the top level every single shift.

Can't a player consistantly score 20 goals a year, and still have inconsistant effort and play game after game? It's a long season, and noone can play at the top level every single shift.
- TheFreak

Yes

You first - “the overwhelming majority of NHL players are inconsistent” where’s your “facts” or “data”?

You talk of empty rhetoric and then spew nonsense like that. Let’s not forget, this all because someone called Morgan frost inconsistent… so you swoop in to his defense saying the whole league is inconsistent…

Mental gymnastics

Good morning everyone else! ☀️
- black_francis

That statement that was made in reply to my earlier post pretty much told me I was dealing in a lost cause - and to think I spent a ton of money on season tickets for over 20 years just to watch a bunch of "inconsistent players" compete ...

Good Morning to you sir!

That statement that was made in reply to my earlier post pretty much told me I was dealing in a lost cause - and to think I spent a ton of money on season tickets for over 20 years just to watch a bunch of "inconsistent players" compete ...

Good Morning to you sir!
- jackfrost

It's important to add that labeling a player an inconsistent player. Does automatically mean a player is not a good player.