You’re right. Which is why I said in my original post, both sides would have to workout the other details.
- SuperSchennBros

I wasn't bashing your opinion or stance, I'm just curious what others think TK is worth.
I apologize if I came across otherwise
I just feel that at this moment TK and laughts have the most value on this team and I'd be pissed if TK goes for pinto alone.
Like others have said, they cane even fit TK into their budget so we'd have to take back a horrible contract and that means there will be even more assets coming our way

I wasn't bashing your opinion or stance, I'm just curious what others think TK is worth.
I apologize if I came across otherwise
I just feel that at this moment TK and laughts have the most value on this team and I'd be pissed if TK goes for pinto alone.
Like others have said, they cane even fit TK into their budget so we'd have to take back a horrible contract and that means there will be even more assets coming our way
- Bob Habib

I know. I never took your comment as anything other than civil. I don’t have an answer of what else would come back. I just know it’s looking like the Flyers are interested in Pinto and he’s currently without a contract.

Never said this.
- SuperSchennBros

Never said that you did, my man. Just randomly stating how I feel about it. I know you'd expect more then just pinto. You're not that dense to think that's a fair trade, which is why I asked what would be a fair trade if those two players are the key fixtures

Never said that you did, my man. Just randomly stating how I feel about it. I know you'd expect more then just pinto. You're not that dense to think that's a fair trade, which is why I asked what would be a fair trade if those two players are the key fixtures
- Bob Habib

No troubles at all.

I know. I never took your comment as anything other than civil. I don’t have an answer of what else would come back. I just know it’s looking like the Flyers are interested in Pinto and he’s currently without a contract.
- SuperSchennBros

It's almost sad that we have to explain our feelings about topics on here 😂
Everybody expects us to throw hate on others opinions.
But that is the standard for this board, huh?
Why are we like this? 😂

Lol no kidding. Ottawa would definitely not have stop responding if that was the deal.
Plus I'd want DBs skull on a stick if he made that deal. That type of deal smells like feltcher all over again.
Not a chance in hell TK goes for pinto alone let along the cap issues Ottawa has. Lol
- Bob Habib

TK is a hot commodity, there will be no shortage of suitors. Pinto a first and a third sounds like a solid return but I’d rather go for a better main piece. Pinto is a solid prospect but most likely not a first line ceiling, nor would their picks be very high

It's almost sad that we have to explain our feelings about topics on here 😂
Everybody expects us to throw hate on others opinions.
But that is the standard for this board, huh?
Why are we like this? 😂
- Bob Habib

I felt no heat between you and I until the usual suspect is making more claims of backlash and how I constantly do it to myself. I’m glad we can both maturely admit upfront that there isn’t an issue between us.

TK is a hot commodity, there will be no shortage of suitors. Pinto a first and a third sounds like a solid return but I’d rather go for a better main piece. Pinto is a solid prospect but most likely not a first line ceiling, nor would their picks be very high
- ClaudeFather

Picks in this draft are vital for us, 10-15 defensemen in the first round. It is a heavy on defense and getting 3 or 4 of those guys would set the defense up for years and another center or course.

Picks in this draft are vital for us, 10-15 defensemen in the first round. It is a heavy on defense and getting 3 or 4 of those guys would set the defense up for years and another center or course.
- Flyerloon

I’d rather quality verse quantity

Picks in this draft are vital for us, 10-15 defensemen in the first round. It is a heavy on defense and getting 3 or 4 of those guys would set the defense up for years and another center or course.
- Flyerloon

We already have two first round picks in the coming draft. I’m hopeful Danny B might add one more.

Picks in this draft are vital for us, 10-15 defensemen in the first round. It is a heavy on defense and getting 3 or 4 of those guys would set the defense up for years and another center or course.
- Flyerloon

ivan - ghost
sanheim - myers
morin - haag

set up for years!!!

TK is a hot commodity, there will be no shortage of suitors. Pinto a first and a third sounds like a solid return but I’d rather go for a better main piece. Pinto is a solid prospect but most likely not a first line ceiling, nor would their picks be very high
- ClaudeFather

Agreed. Ottawa is the team behind the 8ball, not us, so the offer better be solid. If we have to take back salary, which we will, they better offer even more than Pinto and a first. I'd want a second as well, minimum, for doing them a favor.
Am I being greedy? TK is on a very team friendly contract and putting up big points as well. ..

Agreed. Ottawa is the team behind the 8ball, not us, so the offer better be solid. If we have to take back salary, which we will, they better offer even more than Pinto and a first. I'd want a second as well, minimum, for doing them a favor.
Am I being greedy? TK is on a very team friendly contract and putting up big points as well. ..
- Bob Habib

Exactly, We are in the driver seat. Worst case scenario possibly happening and a big reason why people wanted him traded in the off season. Starts the year banged up or injured, slow start, and now we lose some leverage

Agreed. Ottawa is the team behind the 8ball, not us, so the offer better be solid. If we have to take back salary, which we will, they better offer even more than Pinto and a first. I'd want a second as well, minimum, for doing them a favor.
Am I being greedy? TK is on a very team friendly contract and putting up big points as well. ..
- Bob Habib

I think my concern with TK in terms of moving him now versus moving him later is injury or inconsistency. Konency is coming off a very solid season but he doesn’t put up solid point totals year in and year out.

Ottawa wanted Laughton for Pinto? I would have packed Laughton’s bags.
- SuperSchennBros

Same. It would have been a trye rebuild move. But we all know the Flyers are not rebuilding....

Andrae makes this team out of camp, he is our 2nd best dman, I know people don't know his game. He is better than everyone but York at this point, and he will only get better. I said if before people, think Kimmo he is that good.

If he doesn't make the team, that is an indicator to me that this rebuild is a complete BS. Our D pairings should be along this line.

Sanheim/Risto
Andrae/York
Staal-seeler/Walker

Seeler or Staal sits nightly and zamula gets sent down.
- Flyerloon

Having never played a single NHL game, Andrae is better than Sanheim? He'll have to prove that to me. It's debatable whether York is better than Sanheim.

We tried to get them to go for a frost for pinto deal, but I heard they wanted Laughton instead. If that is the case Ottawa would have to add to make that deal as Laughton has more value than Pinto.

If they want TK then that starts with there 1st rd picks. IF they want us to take salary back then prospects get added.
- Flyerloon

That doesn't add up to me. Granted I don't know a ton about Pinto overall but Ottawa, an up and coming team is going to deal a young player for Laughton, who on a good team is a bottom 6 player?

I believe there were more moving parts to the deal. Brannstrom/Joseph were the other names mentioned due to cap issues.

Personally I value Laughton a lot more than Pinto due to a couple factors. First Pinto has not been able to stay healthy until last year. Second Laughton you can play in all situations and Pinto's game is not there yet to kill penalties.
- Flyerloon

In the Flyers position, they would be fools to pass up Pinto for Laughton. Pinto has more value to the Flyers than Laughton.

I think my concern with TK in terms of moving him now versus moving him later is injury or inconsistency. Konency is coming off a very solid season but he doesn’t put up solid point totals year in and year out.
- SuperSchennBros

I doubt Couturier & Atkinson will play 164 games combined! Move them before they potentially join Ellis on LTIR

Explain what Pinto has that makes him more valuable then laughton. I explained what i think laughton does thats more valuable.
- Flyerloon

Pinto is 22 coming off a 20 goal season. Laughton is 29 and the Flyers are rebuilding. That's a trade offer where you immediately say "deal".

Pinto is 22 coming off a 20 goal season. Laughton is 29 and the Flyers are rebuilding. That's a trade offer where you immediately say "deal".
- MJL

And that's why Ottawa is hesitant. Sadly the flyers can't feed on weak sisters GM's like Chuck. He was unique in his suckiness.

Pinto is 22 coming off a 20 goal season. Laughton is 29 and the Flyers are rebuilding. That's a trade offer where you immediately say "deal".
- MJL

Could Ottawa fit laughts onto the payroll though? If not, we would have to take salary back so the assest coming back would need to be more. Maybe that's the hold up. I have no idea.

Exactly, We are in the driver seat. Worst case scenario possibly happening and a big reason why people wanted him traded in the off season. Starts the year banged up or injured, slow start, and now we lose some leverage
- ClaudeFather

Kinds like now? LOL
Let's hope it precautionary. If he stays relatively healthy then his value will hold up.
Personally, I would have liked to see him moved this past draft when it was DEEP.
There were quality players to be had all throughout the first round until the end of it and beyond.
I do feel that he will be a deadline deal this year, though.
He's an easy move, especially with his cap hit for a budget team

Could Ottawa fit laughts onto the payroll though? If not, we would have to take salary back so the assest coming back would need to be more. Maybe that's the hold up. I have no idea.
- Bob Habib

Who knows what is real and what is just rumor. The cap would have to be worked out. Not sure what the deal is with Josh Norris and if he'll be ready to come back.

Kinds like now? LOL
Let's hope it precautionary. If he stays relatively healthy then his value will hold up.
Personally, I would have liked to see him moved this past draft when it was DEEP.
There were quality players to be had all throughout the first round until the end of it and beyond.
I do feel that he will be a deadline deal this year, though.
He's an easy move, especially with his cap hit for a budget team
- Bob Habib

Konecny would not be an easy move at the deadline. Most teams will again be cap strapped this year and he has another year on his deal.