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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:27 PM ET
We tried to get them to go for a frost for pinto deal, but I heard they wanted Laughton instead. If that is the case Ottawa would have to add to make that deal as Laughton has more value than Pinto.

If they want TK then that starts with there 1st rd picks. IF they want us to take salary back then prospects get added.

- Flyerloon

Heard where? I would easily do Pinto for Laughton.

Doesn't Ottawa have cap issues?
Flyerloon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 12.06.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:37 PM ET
Heard where? I would easily do Pinto for Laughton.

Doesn't Ottawa have cap issues?

- hello it's me 2050



I believe there were more moving parts to the deal. Brannstrom/Joseph were the other names mentioned due to cap issues.

Personally I value Laughton a lot more than Pinto due to a couple factors. First Pinto has not been able to stay healthy until last year. Second Laughton you can play in all situations and Pinto's game is not there yet to kill penalties.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:39 PM ET
Watch him play then talk to me, he is for real no need to pump any brakes.


Dumb move would be him playing in LHV, because he has the skill to play for the Flyers and is better overall then half our current dmen.

- Flyerloon

I have seen him play and it isn't like he tore it up in LHV in his cameo. So no it would not be dumb to have him start in LHV.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:40 PM ET
I believe there were more moving parts to the deal. Brannstrom/Joseph were the other names mentioned due to cap issues.

Personally I value Laughton a lot more than Pinto due to a couple factors. First Pinto has not been able to stay healthy until last year. Second Laughton you can play in all situations and Pinto's game is not there yet to kill penalties.

- Flyerloon

laughton can play the PK. So what the flyers pk sucks with him on it.

A young 22 year old center with upside is what a rebuilding team should look to acquire. Not keep guys like Laughton. That joseph contract is horrible.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 2:47 PM ET
What else is Ottawa giving us for TK besides pinto?
- Bob Habib

Lol better be more than that 😂
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 2:48 PM ET
Lot of insiders on here today
Flyerloon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 12.06.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:55 PM ET
laughton can play the PK. So what the flyers pk sucks with him on it.

A young 22 year old center with upside is what a rebuilding team should look to acquire. Not keep guys like Laughton. That joseph contract is horrible.

- hello it's me 2050



PK is horrible in large part because of the defense. The make up is wrong we have no 1 or 2 defensemen just a bunch of 3 to 6 types. Laughton is a solid on the PK and 2nd unit PP. Pinto has upside but so did Nolan patrick so until he puts a few seasons together he is a player with upside. Not worth trading a Laughton for straight up.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 2:57 PM ET
PK is horrible in large part because of the defense. The make up is wrong we have no 1 or 2 defensemen just a bunch of 3 to 6 types. Laughton is a solid on the PK and 2nd unit PP. Pinto has upside but so did Nolan patrick so until he puts a few seasons together he is a player with upside. Not worth trading a Laughton for straight up.
- Flyerloon

Laughton for pinto straight up is a no brainer from the Flyers perspective.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 24 @ 2:59 PM ET
PK is horrible in large part because of the defense. The make up is wrong we have no 1 or 2 defensemen just a bunch of 3 to 6 types. Laughton is a solid on the PK and 2nd unit PP. Pinto has upside but so did Nolan patrick so until he puts a few seasons together he is a player with upside. Not worth trading a Laughton for straight up.
- Flyerloon

pinto puts ups a few more 35+ point seasons he will be worth more than Laughton alone.

What do you think Laughton's value is and what would you move him for?
Flyerloon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 12.06.2021

Sep 24 @ 3:00 PM ET
Laughton for pinto straight up is a no brainer from the Flyers perspective.
- ClaudeFather



Explain what Pinto has that makes him more valuable then laughton. I explained what i think laughton does thats more valuable.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Sep 24 @ 3:01 PM ET
I don’t have the answer to this. If you move TK for a possible top six center with size and a 20 season under his belt, to me that’s as good as a first round pick.
- SuperSchennBros

Imo, he is our most valuable asset and is worth more than just pinto. Pinto did not finish his season on a strong note but still has potential, but, if we are moving TK then DB will need more coming back in the deal. A 1at rd picks pinto, and at least another 1st or top prospect is my asking price but I don't feel Ottawa is at a place where they'd mortgage that many assets since they're not a contender, let alone a lock for the playoffs
But this is just my opinion and I'm sure we'll hear about how people will disagree with it lol
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:03 PM ET
Imo, he is our most valuable asset and is worth more than just pinto. Pinto did not finish his season on a strong note but still has potential, but, if we are moving TK then DB will need more coming back in the deal. A 1at rd picks pinto, and at least another 1st or top prospect is my asking price but I don't feel Ottawa is at a place where they'd mortgage that many assets since they're not a contender, let alone a lock for the playoffs
But this is just my opinion and I'm sure we'll hear about how people will disagree with it lol

- Bob Habib

You’re right. Which is why I said in my original post, both sides would have to workout the other details.
Flyerloon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Sep 24 @ 3:08 PM ET
pinto puts ups a few more 35+ point seasons he will be worth more than Laughton alone.

What do you think Laughton's value is and what would you move him for?

- hello it's me 2050


How much did Tanner Jeannot go for?


Realistically he's worth a late first and 3rd unless there becomes a bidding war then maybe a bit more. Also Laughton had 43 pts last year, and Pinto had 35 on a way better Ottawa team so I stick with my comment.


Laughton is worth a lot more than Pinto.
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:11 PM ET
How much did Tanner Jeannot go for?


Realistically he's worth a late first and 3rd unless there becomes a bidding war then maybe a bit more. Also Laughton had 43 pts last year, and Pinto had 35 on a way better Ottawa team so I stick with my comment.


Laughton is worth a lot more than Pinto.

- Flyerloon

Youth and potential normally trumps a bottom six veteran who only saw increased ice time by default due to being on a bad team lacking depth in terms of a trade.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 24 @ 3:15 PM ET
How much did Tanner Jeannot go for?


Realistically he's worth a late first and 3rd unless there becomes a bidding war then maybe a bit more. Also Laughton had 43 pts last year, and Pinto had 35 on a way better Ottawa team so I stick with my comment.


Laughton is worth a lot more than Pinto.

- Flyerloon

Laughton is worth a late 1st and 3rd. ok fair enough.

Me I rather have the 22 year old nhl player off a 35 point season than those 2 picks.

Also laughton will not be used on other teams the way he is used here. So his point total will also drop. I hope they keep him just for the pure entertainment.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 3:18 PM ET
Explain what Pinto has that makes him more valuable then laughton. I explained what i think laughton does thats more valuable.
- Flyerloon

Are you serious? A 22 year old center with 1 full season and 20 goals, plenty of promise. I think you’re very confused on what kind of return Laughton would bring. Maybe a late first, pinto is a nice piece to add.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 3:20 PM ET
You’re right. Which is why I said in my original post, both sides would have to workout the other details.
- SuperSchennBros

Because “details” points to Pinto being the main feature of the return, which would be disappointing for TK
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Sep 24 @ 3:28 PM ET
Torts is nothing but a one trick pony who "develops" players through tough love.

Downright pathetic to have tied ourselves to this guy as assistant GM.

Funny that we will likely see only one youngster in Foerster make the opening night lineup in whats two years of apparent rebuilding.

The Flyers sure know what they are doing, just ask the Alumni.

- FlyerFan3260

I hear ya! Hopefully Brière, MJL, or that horse who kicked his face last season. Will react if he goes to "old" and archaic this season.
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:29 PM ET
Because “details” points to Pinto being the main feature of the return, which would be disappointing for TK
- ClaudeFather

No it doesn’t. Pinto is the player who has been in talks to get moved lately. The details can be anything.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 3:30 PM ET
No it doesn’t. Pinto is the player who has been in talks to get moved lately. The details can be anything.
- SuperSchennBros

It’s exactly why you got so much backlash from
Your post, just how it comes across
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
It’s exactly why you got so much backlash from
Your post, just how it comes across

- ClaudeFather

What backlash?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 24 @ 3:35 PM ET
What backlash?
- SuperSchennBros

What else is Ottawa giving us for TK besides pinto?
- Bob Habib

I don’t have the answer to this. If you move TK for a possible top six center with size and a 20 season under his belt, to me that’s as good as a first round pick.

You do yourself no favors with responses like this.
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:37 PM ET
What else is Ottawa giving us for TK besides pinto?
- Bob Habib

I don’t have the answer to this. If you move TK for a possible top six center with size and a 20 season under his belt, to me that’s as good as a first round pick.

You do yourself no favors with responses like this.

- ClaudeFather

That’s not backlash. That’s having a civil conversation about hockey. I don’t feel like there was any anger in his tone. This is just you creating something out of nothing…again.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Sep 24 @ 3:39 PM ET
Lol better be more than that 😂
- ClaudeFather

Lol no kidding. Ottawa would definitely not have stop responding if that was the deal.
Plus I'd want DBs skull on a stick if he made that deal. That type of deal smells like feltcher all over again.
Not a chance in hell TK goes for pinto alone let along the cap issues Ottawa has. Lol
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
Lol no kidding. Ottawa would definitely not have stop responding if that was the deal.
Plus I'd want DBs skull on a stick if he made that deal. That type of deal smells like feltcher all over again.
Not a chance in hell TK goes for pinto alone let along the cap issues Ottawa has. Lol

- Bob Habib

Never said this.
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