I mean, it wasn't GOOD, but I guess seeing as we're used to disasters all the time that's the best you can hope for.
- DariusKnight

Maybe im splitting hairs here, but i see it as a good offseason (perhaps not a homerun, but still).

We got some C depth signed for reasonable $ and term.
Backup goalie.
Defence got upgraded (still needs more of course).
Appears to be some depth and competition for some of the bottom 6 spots.
Perhaps most importantly, the made the difficult decision to move on from OEL.

Alvin continues to reshape the team and all appear to be pulling in the same direction for once.

Not saying we need to start planning the parade, but i'm happy with the moves and direction the team is moving in.

Double tap...

Maybe im splitting hairs here, but i see it as a good offseason (perhaps not a homerun, but still).

We got some C depth signed for reasonable $ and term.
Backup goalie.
Defence got upgraded (still needs more of course).
Appears to be some depth and competition for some of the bottom 6 spots.
Perhaps most importantly, the made the difficult decision to move on from OEL.

Alvin continues to reshape the team and all appear to be pulling in the same direction for once.

Not saying we need to start planning the parade, but i'm happy with the moves and direction the team is moving in.
- dbot

We moved spare parts for more spare parts and while we did get rid of OEL, we did so at the expense of having cap space later on down the line when we might be good enough to compete for a Cup. Again, if we're banking on two bottom six centers, 5-6 D-men and a backup goalie to get us into the playoffs then we're already screwed. We didn't sign our best player to a long-term contract and he's not going to negotiate while the season is on making it very likely that he pulls a Matthew Tkachuk and forces a trade.

Again, at least we didn't sign anyone to outrageously expensive and long contracts that we can't trade if they don't work out like we did the off-season before (Boeser, Miller) so in that sense it's a good off-season, but then I didn't expect much else. PA is not JB so it was unlikely he'd make the same mistakes, he'll just make different ones and get fired for it down the line.

Maybe im splitting hairs here, but i see it as a good offseason (perhaps not a homerun, but still).

We got some C depth signed for reasonable $ and term.
Backup goalie.
Defence got upgraded (still needs more of course).
Appears to be some depth and competition for some of the bottom 6 spots.
Perhaps most importantly, the made the difficult decision to move on from OEL.

Alvin continues to reshape the team and all appear to be pulling in the same direction for once.

Not saying we need to start planning the parade, but i'm happy with the moves and direction the team is moving in.
- dbot

I agree. The Canucks are better now than where they were last year. I think they had a pretty good offseason, and made mostly positive/thought out moves to shape the team. Maybe people don't like the direction, but at least they have a unified direction now.

We moved spare parts for more spare parts and while we did get rid of OEL, we did so at the expense of having cap space later on down the line when we might be good enough to compete for a Cup. Again, if we're banking on two bottom six centers, 5-6 D-men and a backup goalie to get us into the playoffs then we're already screwed. We didn't sign our best player to a long-term contract and he's not going to negotiate while the season is on making it very likely that he pulls a Matthew Tkachuk and forces a trade.

Again, at least we didn't sign anyone to outrageously expensive and long contracts that we can't trade if they don't work out like we did the off-season before (Boeser, Miller) so in that sense it's a good off-season, but then I didn't expect much else. PA is not JB so it was unlikely he'd make the same mistakes, he'll just make different ones and get fired for it down the line.
- DariusKnight

Sadly, that's a good off season for the Canucks.

We moved spare parts for more spare parts and while we did get rid of OEL, we did so at the expense of having cap space later on down the line when we might be good enough to compete for a Cup. Again, if we're banking on two bottom six centers, 5-6 D-men and a backup goalie to get us into the playoffs then we're already screwed. We didn't sign our best player to a long-term contract and he's not going to negotiate while the season is on making it very likely that he pulls a Matthew Tkachuk and forces a trade.

Again, at least we didn't sign anyone to outrageously expensive and long contracts that we can't trade if they don't work out like we did the off-season before (Boeser, Miller) so in that sense it's a good off-season, but then I didn't expect much else. PA is not JB so it was unlikely he'd make the same mistakes, he'll just make different ones and get fired for it down the line.
- DariusKnight

You mean competing in the 27-28 season, when OEL's 7.85 cap hit would have come off the books? Or were you cool just playing him and holding on to his cap hit while he continually cratered the D, made the team considerably worse, and quite possibly have led to Petey's and Hughe's exit because the team would suck balls with him on it (like it has).

I've talked with you about this before, but but Soucy and Cole are top 4 D (Cole more so than Soucy IMO, he's probably a 5), plus Hronek is top 4. So that's way more than some 5-6 D men. Plus, the Canucks top 6 is actually good for centers, and it was their bottom 6 and PK that really stunk last season. Those were both needs that got addressed. Will they have profound impacts? That's yet to be seen. But they are upgrades that were needed.

We moved spare parts for more spare parts and while we did get rid of OEL, we did so at the expense of having cap space later on down the line when we might be good enough to compete for a Cup. Again, if we're banking on two bottom six centers, 5-6 D-men and a backup goalie to get us into the playoffs then we're already screwed. We didn't sign our best player to a long-term contract and he's not going to negotiate while the season is on making it very likely that he pulls a Matthew Tkachuk and forces a trade.

Again, at least we didn't sign anyone to outrageously expensive and long contracts that we can't trade if they don't work out like we did the off-season before (Boeser, Miller) so in that sense it's a good off-season, but then I didn't expect much else. PA is not JB so it was unlikely he'd make the same mistakes, he'll just make different ones and get fired for it down the line.
- DariusKnight

Alvin made moves that he could, which improved the team without bankrupting the future. That's a good offseason imo.

I don't look at the moves as 'banking' on making the playoffs, but improving the supporting cast to allow the stars to do their thing and make continual progress.

of course Alvin will get fired at some point, literally every GM in history has been fired or moved on eventually.

You mean competing in the 27-28 season, when OEL's 7.85 cap hit would have come off the books? Or were you cool just playing him and holding on to his cap hit while he continually cratered the D, made the team considerably worse, and quite possibly have led to Petey's and Hughe's exit because the team would suck balls with him on it (like it has).

I've talked with you about this before, but but Soucy and Cole are top 4 D (Cole more so than Soucy IMO, he's probably a 5), plus Hronek is top 4. So that's way more than some 5-6 D men. Plus, the Canucks top 6 is actually good for centers, and it was their bottom 6 and PK that really stunk last season. Those were both needs that got addressed. Will they have profound impacts? That's yet to be seen. But they are upgrades that were needed.
- NewYorkNuck

Agreed.

IMO, cutting bait with OEL was indicative that mgmt is prepared to make the tough decisions to move in the right direction.

Alvin made moves that he could, which improved the team without bankrupting the future. That's a good offseason imo.

I don't look at the moves as 'banking' on making the playoffs, but improving the supporting cast to allow the stars to do their thing and make continual progress.

of course Alvin will get fired at some point, literally every GM in history has been fired or moved on eventually.
- dbot

The Canucks are going to make the playoffs on the back of their stars. However, the stars could have McDavid-like years and if their bottom half of their D and F were still black holes, they wouldn't get there. Upgrading the bottom half allows the stars' impacts to be more noticeable – but IMO for all of it to work they need Tocchet's system to be good and they actually need to buy in.

I thought the cap was only an "illusion"?


Jim Rutherford says the #Canucks have “almost unravelled” the cap situation now, though he notes that he thinks they’re still 1-2 contracts away

I thought the cap was only an "illusion"?


Jim Rutherford says the #Canucks have “almost unravelled” the cap situation now, though he notes that he thinks they’re still 1-2 contracts away
- VanHockeyGuy

Garland and Myers are my guess

Ya but why did they have to give up a THIRD ROUND PICK for that?! /s
- NewYorkNuck

I’m surprised that none of you guys remembers or at least brought this up:
https://thehockeynews.com...ault-and-resisting-arrest
What? Wasn’t Patrick Roy or Sean Burke available?

Playoffs!


“To be very to the point, the changes that we’d made, we have a playoff team *if* everything goes right,” says Rutherford.

“We want to get to a point where we have enough in our lineup that you can have a few things go wrong… and overcome that.

Garland and Myers are my guess
- Retinalz

Myers and Beauvillier

I’m surprised that none of you guys remembers or at least brought this up:
https://thehockeynews.com...ault-and-resisting-arrest
What? Wasn’t Patrick Roy or Sean Burke available?
- Shuswap Wap

That was floating around there yesterday but we were too busy worry about the cap to bring it up. Some more than others.

You mean competing in the 27-28 season, when OEL's 7.85 cap hit would have come off the books? Or were you cool just playing him and holding on to his cap hit while he continually cratered the D, made the team considerably worse, and quite possibly have led to Petey's and Hughe's exit because the team would suck balls with him on it (like it has).

I've talked with you about this before, but but Soucy and Cole are top 4 D (Cole more so than Soucy IMO, he's probably a 5), plus Hronek is top 4. So that's way more than some 5-6 D men. Plus, the Canucks top 6 is actually good for centers, and it was their bottom 6 and PK that really stunk last season. Those were both needs that got addressed. Will they have profound impacts? That's yet to be seen. But they are upgrades that were needed.
- NewYorkNuck

What would be the difference? He's cratering the D even gone with the burden of the cap hit we'll need to deal with down the road. Cole is replacing OEL and only a few years younger than OEL and also not a long-term solution, so really, you're getting a wash. Soucy is replacing Bear but is probably better than Bear defensively so in that sense it's an upgrade but it really isn't going to do much unless: a) Everyone on the team plays up to expectations or exceeds it, b) Teams we need to chase for a playoff spot don't meet expectations and here's the key: c) We stay healthy (which has always been a giant concern due to how small our team is and with Tocchet being known to liking his players to play extremely hard and physical, that might be a big issue)

Playoffs!


“To be very to the point, the changes that we’d made, we have a playoff team *if* everything goes right,” says Rutherford.

“We want to get to a point where we have enough in our lineup that you can have a few things go wrong… and overcome that.
- VanHockeyGuy

So basically, not expecting to make playoffs. In what sport has a team had everything go right.

Nicely put by JR. Decent little disclaimer to cover his ass.

What would be the difference? He's cratering the D even gone with the burden of the cap hit we'll need to deal with down the road. Cole is replacing OEL and only a few years younger than OEL and also not a long-term solution, so really, you're getting a wash. Soucy is replacing Bear but is probably better than Bear defensively so in that sense it's an upgrade but it really isn't going to do much unless: a) Everyone on the team plays up to expectations or exceeds it, b) Teams we need to chase for a playoff spot don't meet expectations and here's the key: c) We stay healthy (which has always been a giant concern due to how small our team is and with Tocchet being known to liking his players to play extremely hard and physical, that might be a big issue)
- DariusKnight

Cole is probably a trade chip at TDL.

I would think Petey is going to be OELs replacement in two years. Canucks saved 7 mil this year for a top Dman that was playing like a bottom pairing D.


I don't think there is much anyone can say to convince you that this is a better team. You pretty much have your mind made up about how this is going to turn out and rightfully so because of past years.

I still think the team will be active and there are more moves. I also believe the hockey will be better.

Cole is probably a trade chip at TDL.

I would think Petey is going to be OELs replacement in two years. Canucks saved 7 mil this year for a top Dman that was playing like a bottom pairing D.


I don't think there is much anyone can say to convince you that this is a better team. You pretty much have your mind made up about how this is going to turn out and rightfully so because of past years.

I still think the team will be active and there are more moves. I also believe the hockey will be better.
- VANTEL

I do agree the hockey should be better, but try harder as they might under Tocchet, this team isn't deep enough for much improvement over the past couple years ... and apparently Rutherford agrees!

I do agree the hockey should be better, but try harder as they might under Tocchet, this team isn't deep enough for much improvement over the past couple years ... and apparently Rutherford agrees!
- Sayros

The things that hurt us last year was terrible D, the worst PK in the league, and Demko had a terrible start.

Demko is not injured this year and they have upgraded the other two issues. They missed the playoffs last year by five or six wins only. It is time to sit back and watch and see how much they improved and what else they need to do to improve more.

I’m surprised that none of you guys remembers or at least brought this up:
https://thehockeynews.com...ault-and-resisting-arrest
What? Wasn’t Patrick Roy or Sean Burke available?
- Shuswap Wap

Oh my!
Khaira wasn’t available.
Alvin must have got him for his toughness,

I thought the cap was only an "illusion"?


Jim Rutherford says the #Canucks have “almost unravelled” the cap situation now, though he notes that he thinks they’re still 1-2 contracts away
- VanHockeyGuy

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
4h
In Toronto, GM Brad Treliving said Matt Murray will be undergoing a “significant” surgery (details undisclosed). And, Jake Muzzin will not play this year.

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Some people are smart enough to figure this out and other are not and just sit around and complain about the cap

Brad Marchand Bruins new captain.

I agree. The Canucks are better now than where they were last year. I think they had a pretty good offseason, and made mostly positive/thought out moves to shape the team. Maybe people don't like the direction, but at least they have a unified direction now.
- NewYorkNuck

Some people never like them even when then get to game seven. Their lives likely suck and are sad so they complain.

Brad Marchand Bruins new captain.
- VANTEL

Its hard to see how good he is day in and day out, season after season. But he deserves it and the Bruins will be a tough team every night. Getting mentored by Chara in the ways a captain should be we can only hope "Huggy" has the right lines to help our Snowflakes