Agree there will be another year or two of collecting picks. The above are likely candidates, but the returns would be anyone's guess.

Along with Hall at the 2024-25 TDL, there could be AA, Donato and whoever KD signs as one year free agents next summer. I also have a feeling Murphy gets dealt before his contract expires.
- boilermaker100

I don’t know. KD has had back to back 11 pick drafts, has a glut of picks in the next three drafts, and cleared out everything but Jones and Murphy. He has plenty of cap and roster flexibility. I don’t think he can count solely on his draft picks hitting. We’ve seen the hit rates of various draft rounds. While I doubt the Hawks are in this position, Boston had three straight first rounders a few years back and the best thing to come out of that was Debrusk.

I think KD needs to start actually shaping this team. Pick up that kid who is blocked on a stacked team with cap issues. Sign or trade for a guy who you expect to be around for more than a couple of years, etc.

I also don’t think you can just casually dismiss the years of Bedard’s ELC. I get he is not THE plan, he is part of it, but he is also a guy who -if you are fortunate enough to draft - you put pieces around him to grow and move forward, not just wait for the rest of the draft picks to catch up.

There would not be any surprise for myself if Hall has a break out year statistically; after all he has the pedigre. Should Hall click with Bedard - even more so on the Pp generating points - then KD has to decide if he wants to retain Hall until another season or opportistic time for Hall to be traded

In the rebuild not each player with value has to be traded At least one of Bedard potential linemattes could stay? Even just one more season..The contract for Hall if he sticks around could be a consideration which I am unsure how it affects moving him

There is pressure enough on Bedard and I am at least willing to consider whether a good season from Hall causes him to stick around a while. Waiting for prospects to become NHL capable is a process which might mean give them at least one year once they turn pro (example Nazar). Hall can be a solid player for two years here or more. All the eggs in one basket if Hall and Reichel.is all you have for 1-2 seasons. So Hall could stay beyond next trade deadline if he plays/produces
- jhawk59

He'll produce with Bedard, and no way KD hamstrings Bedard after the TDL this year.

If anything he's a TDL next year. But I wouldn't be surprised if he clicks the way I expect him to with Bedard that he's resigned for 2 to 3 additional years. Need some Vets and if he's producing why not.

He'll produce with Bedard, and no way KD hamstrings Bedard after the TDL this year.

If anything he's a TDL next year. But I wouldn't be surprised if he clicks the way I expect him to with Bedard that he's resigned for 2 to 3 additional years. Need some Vets and if he's producing why not.
- vabeachbear

The only assets that the Hawks have that could possibly get you higher than a 4th round pick is D**ckinson and T. Johnson. i agree, if Hall and Bedard click, KD is not going to trade Hall, and if they don't, you won't get anything for him at the TDL. Blackwell (if he makes it out of training camp, Tinordi, Zaitsev, Perry, Foligno, Mrazek will get you fish biat, that is about it.

The only assets that the Hawks have that could possibly get you higher than a 4th round pick is D**ckinson and T. Johnson. i agree, if Hall and Bedard click, KD is not going to trade Hall, and if they don't, you won't get anything for him at the TDL. Blackwell (if he makes it out of training camp, Tinordi, Zaitsev, Perry, Foligno, Mrazek will get you fish biat, that is about it.
- LAHawk

Ya, I could see Tyler Johnson getting moved, maybe D!ickenson. I think the moving players for picks is about up.

Think he can still take on some large amounts of short term cap space and turn it into some good additional picks though.

The only assets that the Hawks have that could possibly get you higher than a 4th round pick is D**ckinson and T. Johnson. i agree, if Hall and Bedard click, KD is not going to trade Hall, and if they don't, you won't get anything for him at the TDL. Blackwell (if he makes it out of training camp, Tinordi, Zaitsev, Perry, Foligno, Mrazek will get you fish biat, that is about it.
- LAHawk

Eh, it depends. If AA consistently plays the way he did to end the season, or Raddysh goes off they could fetch good assets. Also, if Katchouk ends up getting regular time and turns himself into the new Lafferty he could also get a good return.

I get it, several "what ifs, but isn't that the same with everything?

Eh, it depends. If AA consistently plays the way he did to end the season, or Raddysh goes off they could fetch good assets. Also, if Katchouk ends up getting regular time and turns himself into the new Lafferty he could also get a good return.

I get it, several "what ifs, but isn't that the same with everything?
- Chunk

i would think if Raddysh and Katchook are having good seasons, that KD would keep them. They are both RFA's with arb rights after the season, they wouldn't be expensive to re-sign, and you would need to sign someone else to take their roster spot, unless you want to extend Foligno and Perry for another year.

i would think if Raddysh and Katchook are having good seasons, that KD would keep them. They are both RFA's with arb rights after the season, they wouldn't be expensive to re-sign, and you would need to sign someone else to take their roster spot, unless you want to extend Foligno and Perry for another year.
- LAHawk

True. That makes sense. I was just perusing the roster to see if anyone else could pull a better return. Watch Guttman just go balls out and be a monster.

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The only assets that the Hawks have that could possibly get you higher than a 4th round pick is D**ckinson and T. Johnson. i agree, if Hall and Bedard click, KD is not going to trade Hall, and if they don't, you won't get anything for him at the TDL. Blackwell (if he makes it out of training camp, Tinordi, Zaitsev, Perry, Foligno, Mrazek will get you fish biat, that is about it.
- LAHawk

I didn't think KD would of gotten a 1st and a 2nd for Lafferty and McCabe. Just for shots and giggles what if he packaged Foligno and Perry or Johnson retained half of their salaries to a playoff team, and took on a bad contract in return. That would be great value for a playoff team that needs depth and leadership.

Ya, I could see Tyler Johnson getting moved, maybe D!ickenson. I think the moving players for picks is about up.

Think he can still take on some large amounts of short term cap space and turn it into some good additional picks though.
- vabeachbear

Richardenson (50% retained) for a playoff run has value. I disagree on Tyler Johnson though. His salary is just too high even with max retention. Plus TJ is not the type of player you want on your bottom 6 whereas Richardenson would be a good depth player. Serious playoff contenders already have their top 6 set.

Richardenson (50% retained) for a playoff run has value. I disagree on Tyler Johnson though. His salary is just too high even with max retention. Plus TJ is not the type of player you want on your bottom 6 whereas Richardenson would be a good depth player. Serious playoff contenders already have their top 6 set.
- 67hawks

Edit: I see what others have experienced with spell check on this playerś name. Makes no sense to me.

Richardenson (50% retained) for a playoff run has value. I disagree on Tyler Johnson though. His salary is just too high even with max retention. Plus TJ is not the type of player you want on your bottom 6 whereas Richardenson would be a good depth player. Serious playoff contenders already have their top 6 set.
- 67hawks

If memory serves, TJ was playing third line the last time the Bolts won the Stanley Cup. Plus he's just 33. put almost 0.6 PPG on a complete garbage team, and is on an expiring contract. If he has a good first half, I think there certainly would be interest at $3M.

Richardenson (50% retained) for a playoff run has value. I disagree on Tyler Johnson though. His salary is just too high even with max retention. Plus TJ is not the type of player you want on your bottom 6 whereas Richardenson would be a good depth player. Serious playoff contenders already have their top 6 set.
- 67hawks

I think since the surgery he's been a much better hockey player. We ate his salary for the Bolts 2nd round pick? Be great if he has a good year, plays some with the Bedard line and we can flip him for at least another 2nd round pick. If we win a SC in the next 5 to 10 years we will have to send a thank you card to that organization.

I didn't think KD would of gotten a 1st and a 2nd for Lafferty and McCabe. Just for shots and giggles what if he packaged Foligno and Perry or Johnson retained half of their salaries to a playoff team, and took on a bad contract in return. That would be great value for a playoff team that needs depth and leadership.
- BetweenTheDots

The only issue here is that even with 50% retained, you are still adding $4.5M while only subtracting one (theoretically). It would obviously all depend on the situation of the acquiring team. Most of the big boy teams seem pretty tight against that cap. Do they have a guy at $4.5-5M on their squad who they would want to get rid of to add these two?

I know it has not shot in hell, but it would be frickin awesome if the Hawks could be muster up being a bubble team this year. Just imagine the juice it would give this team and the fanbase.

The only issue here is that even with 50% retained, you are still adding $4.5M while only subtracting one (theoretically). It would obviously all depend on the situation of the acquiring team. Most of the big boy teams seem pretty tight against that cap. Do they have a guy at $4.5-5M on their squad who they would want to get rid of to add these two?

I know it has not shot in hell, but it would be frickin awesome if the Hawks could be muster up being a bubble team this year. Just imagine the juice it would give this team and the fanbase.
- Chunk

That's true, but doesn't it always seem by mid season playoff teams end up with dead weight on their rosters.

I'd love for the Blackhawks to do well. For now though i just want to see forward lines win more offensive zone time. The kids on defense do well. Bedard line have success. Reichel grow as a forward. More of the 3rd or 4th line being difficult to play against. Mrazek can have a save percentage over 900 but the defense has to play well in front of him.

The key is to get off to a good start, and how many games they play on the road to start the season?

The only assets that the Hawks have that could possibly get you higher than a 4th round pick is D**ckinson and T. Johnson. i agree, if Hall and Bedard click, KD is not going to trade Hall, and if they don't, you won't get anything for him at the TDL. Blackwell (if he makes it out of training camp, Tinordi, Zaitsev, Perry, Foligno, Mrazek will get you fish biat, that is about it.
- LAHawk

If Hall shows he has anything left in the tank and can stay healthy you get a solid veteran secondary type player. Kind of a good thing.

He may be a guy worth keeping around. And futures at this point are going to be less valuable than getting another impact player. If they draft in the top 3 next year thats neat but if either Elias are available, for example, to be pried out of western Canada then I think you move assets (2025 first for example though for Pettersson I think you would give up the 2024 one as well) and take the player you know is an impact player and entering their prime.

Ya, I could see Tyler Johnson getting moved, maybe D!ickenson. I think the moving players for picks is about up.

Think he can still take on some large amounts of short term cap space and turn it into some good additional picks though.
- vabeachbear

Radyish could be the next Hagel but I like him and would keep him if so.

Agree there will be another year or two of collecting picks. The above are likely candidates, but the returns would be anyone's guess.

Along with Hall at the 2024-25 TDL, there could be AA, Donato and whoever KD signs as one year free agents next summer. I also have a feeling Murphy gets dealt before his contract expires.
- boilermaker100

If K2 can hold his own and Reichel picks up where he left off at the end of last season, on his own which really needs to be highlighted, then they're a lot closer than people seem to think and pitter pattering around with draft picks becomes more risky in terms of wasting years when all these kids are cheap.

Even if he doesn't do it this year, Bedard dumping 100 points is going to have a much bigger impact in the standings than people realize. They'll end up in Vancouver territory or Nashville territory and that could happen this year pushing them out of the top 10.

Edmonton tried to get McDavid, ze German and Nurse another piece through the draft and that didn't really work out for them. Other than the-chuck there wasn't a whole lot left after Puljujarvi and using those assets to get a player who probably isn't going to resign with their team and is looking to start over (Vancouver for example or perhaps Calgary - either Elias would be fine as I mentioned before). I don't think Ottawa will keep all of Norris, Pinto and the other the-chuck just based on their salary structure alone.

Point being is it looks like they have a player in Reichel and one of Nazar and Moore should be a 50 point player - all they should really need is one more super star at forward and its round out the roster time.

Then 2025 becomes a more likely possibility.

Radyish could be the next Hagel but I like him and would keep him if so.
- rpeters01

No where as good and as fast of a skater as Hagel.

If K2 can hold his own and Reichel picks up where he left off at the end of last season, on his own which really needs to be highlighted, then they're a lot closer than people seem to think and pitter pattering around with draft picks becomes more risky in terms of wasting years when all these kids are cheap.

Even if he doesn't do it this year, Bedard dumping 100 points is going to have a much bigger impact in the standings than people realize. They'll end up in Vancouver territory or Nashville territory and that could happen this year pushing them out of the top 10.

Edmonton tried to get McDavid, ze German and Nurse another piece through the draft and that didn't really work out for them. Other than the-chuck there wasn't a whole lot left after Puljujarvi and using those assets to get a player who probably isn't going to resign with their team and is looking to start over (Vancouver for example or perhaps Calgary - either Elias would be fine as I mentioned before). I don't think Ottawa will keep all of Norris, Pinto and the other the-chuck just based on their salary structure alone.

Point being is it looks like they have a player in Reichel and one of Nazar and Moore should be a 50 point player - all they should really need is one more super star at forward and its round out the roster time.

Then 2025 becomes a more likely possibility.
- fattybeef

Well those guys were drafted before McDavid. Their scouting dept poop the bed after drafting McDavid. Kind of all over the board they wasted so many of his great years so far.

If I'm KD and staff i definitely continue the path he's on for the next 2 to 3 years.

I don’t know. KD has had back to back 11 pick drafts, has a glut of picks in the next three drafts, and cleared out everything but Jones and Murphy. He has plenty of cap and roster flexibility. I don’t think he can count solely on his draft picks hitting. We’ve seen the hit rates of various draft rounds. While I doubt the Hawks are in this position, Boston had three straight first rounders a few years back and the best thing to come out of that was Debrusk.

I think KD needs to start actually shaping this team. Pick up that kid who is blocked on a stacked team with cap issues. Sign or trade for a guy who you expect to be around for more than a couple of years, etc.

I also don’t think you can just casually dismiss the years of Bedard’s ELC. I get he is not THE plan, he is part of it, but he is also a guy who -if you are fortunate enough to draft - you put pieces around him to grow and move forward, not just wait for the rest of the draft picks to catch up.
- Chunk

The problem with boston is that their drafting is below average

Radyish could be the next Hagel but I like him and would keep him if so.
- rpeters01

Raddysh is a different type of player but your point is valid, #11 could develop into solid top 6 forward. I agree that if Raddysh becomes a legit top 6 forward I would keep him, unless a team wants to offer an insane return.

The return for Hagel was too good to pass up, plus the team was tanking and Hagel wouldn’t have helped with that. The demolition is done and the Hawks are building, if Raddysh can show he should be a part of the future he likely will be.

The problem with boston is that their drafting is below average
- LFS

Not really:
McAvoy
Bergeron
Pasternak
Marchand
Krejci
Seguin
Several others

They’ve also had a bunch of low draft picks and traded assets in the last 5 years or so to go for cups. Same thing that happened to the Hawks and every other team.

Well those guys were drafted before McDavid. Their scouting dept poop the bed after drafting McDavid. Kind of all over the board they wasted so many of his great years so far.

If I'm KD and staff i definitely continue the path he's on for the next 2 to 3 years.
- BetweenTheDots

They won't be picking in the top 5 though. If you take into account the loss of goals by Domi, Toews and Kane (like 48 but well round to 50).

Assume the rest of the roster is about the same. Maybe you get +6 out of Johnson (assuming healthy full year so 18 total), Probably a net +10 for Perry for whoever he replaces, +25 out of Hall, + 20 out of Reichel (so like 25-30 this season) and +30 for Bedard...

That puts them in about the top 20 for goals for. They'll probably let in fewer goals if only because of addition by subtraction in some instances.

So while they're bad. They won't be as bad as Philly, Arizona, Nashville or San Jose. The Jets have some decisions to make and could be a lottery team. Detroit and Montreal are probably still valid competition for that bottom 5 spot.

If Bedard "meets" expectations they're probably 5-7 from the bottom. If he vastly exceeds them they could be in the 10 range. Even if K2 can't defend if he puts up 40-50 points like Fox or Makar did then it tips the scales even more.

Are they going to beat better teams? Probably not consistently.

Are they going to beat the teams that are about equal to them roster wise or a little worse consistently? Pretty good chance. They'll be bad but not the worst of the bunch like this year.

Unless there are significant injuries - assuming that this team will get a top 3 pick next year is a pretty big gamble.

Mrazek can only start so many games. Soderblom may be serviceable next year. So that may be the X factor there in terms of just losing games 5-3 or 6-4 or whatever.

[quote=fattybeef]They won't be picking in the top 5 though. If you take into account the loss of goals by Domi, Toews and Kane (like 48 but well round to 50).

Assume the rest of the roster is about the same. Maybe you get +6 out of Johnson (assuming healthy full year so 18 total), Probably a net +10 for Perry for whoever he replaces, +25 out of Hall, + 20 out of Reichel (so like 25-30 this season) and +30 for Bedard...

That puts them in about the top 20 for goals for. They'll probably let in fewer goals if only because of addition by subtraction in some instances.

So while they're bad. They won't be as bad as Philly, Arizona, Nashville or San Jose. The Jets have some decisions to make and could be a lottery team. Detroit and Montreal are probably still valid competition for that bottom 5 spot.

Very optimistic take on the upcoming season.

The first 20 games are 11 road games PIT, BOS, MTL, TOR, COL, VGK, ARI, TBL, FLA, NSH, CBJ.

And 9 home games VGK, BOS, FLA, NJD, TBL, BUF, TOR, STL, SEA.

What do you anticipate their record after 20 games?