lol wow. Bold.
- LordHumungous

Until he is playing regularly, I think it was a bad deal. Ask me again at the end of next season what I think and I will have a better answer.

RIP Robbie Robertson.
- VANTEL

Until he is playing regularly, I think it was a bad deal. Ask me again at the end of next season what I think and I will have a better answer.
- VANTEL

When healthy he was pretty damn good in DET. Much above whatever Dermott brought lol. It's a gamble as I think DET saw his injuries as an issue moving forward. Allvin appears to not have that concern. Like you said small sample size here let's give him a healthy half/year and go from there.

Yes draft picks always sound better because potential is attractive.

Note, Sutter developed injuries in Vancouver prior to that he seemed okay. But I get some of the frustration with this prone to injury history. Does Hronek really fall into that?

Well they drafted they signed and they traded for D. The D core is improving and Hronek adds to that picture. More picks could be more question marks, time and less impact.
- Quinn's Quest

Well I mean, they re-signed Sutter for another year afterwards ... but ya I think you get the frustration on the injured players.

As for the D signings, I mean it's different but improving remains to be seen. I agree it'd be hard to get worse, but ffs leave it to the canucks to find a way!

When healthy he was pretty damn good in DET. Much above whatever Dermott brought lol. It's a gamble as I think DET saw his injuries as an issue moving forward. Allvin appears to not have that concern. Like you said small sample size here let's give him a healthy half/year and go from there.
- LordHumungous

Schmidt was pretty good in Wpg and Vegas also, not so much in Vancouver. Same with Hamonic.

When healthy he was pretty damn good in DET. Much above whatever Dermott brought lol. It's a gamble as I think DET saw his injuries as an issue moving forward. Allvin appears to not have that concern. Like you said small sample size here let's give him a healthy half/year and go from there.
- LordHumungous

Schmidt was pretty good in Wpg and Vegas also, not so much in Vancouver. Same with Hamonic.

Schmidt was pretty good in Wpg and Vegas also, not so much in Vancouver. Same with Hamonic.
- VANTEL

I thought you might mention this and tried to address prior saying Hronek played a significant role on a bad team. Unlike Schmidt and Hamonic playing lesser roles on better D structured teams. Let’s say they couldn’t rise up in the sh!t show D Canucks ran at the time.

With the changes to D brought in and coaching systems it should in theory be better for Hronek to shine.

I know you're lurking Lefty. Dodgers 2 Diamondbacks 0..........Suck it.

Schmidt was pretty good in Wpg and Vegas also, not so much in Vancouver. Same with Hamonic.
- VANTEL

He was?

- VanHockeyGuy

Some predicting a decline in Kuz’s numbers this coming season.

https://dobberhockey.com/...erron-and-more-august-10/

Andrei Kuzmenko (VAN – 1.01 A2/60)

There has been a lot made of Kuzmenko's shooting percentage – the highest in many years – but his secondary assist rate was tied for the league lead. Back in the 2021-22 season, of the three players to finish over 1.0 A2/60, the smallest drop in 2022-23 was over 24%, then 36%, then 45%. If Kuzmenko's A2/60 were to fall by just 33%, we can knock off six points from his 2022-23 total of 74. That is just a modest drop, too, so things could get a lot worse.

What is notable is that Elias Pettersson also finished top-10 in A2/60. He and Kuzmenko fed well off each other at all offensive strength, and Pettersson's even-strength shooting percentage was well within norms. There is regression coming for Kuzmenko, and I don't think he gets to 74 points again, but he should still be considered a 60-point threat.

Schmidt was pretty good in Wpg and Vegas also, not so much in Vancouver. Same with Hamonic.
- VANTEL

I'll take the upside on Hronek anyday over Schmidt or Hamonic lol. Dermott was a 6-7 spot plug. Hronek if healthy has a much higher ceiling than any of those guys IMO. I'm not saying the deal was stellar to get him but understand the process. The D needed to be re-done and it appears Allvin is half way there with Soucy Cole and Hronek.

Schmidt was elevated with the rosters he played with in VGK and WPG. Hronek did very well for a few years on very bad DET clubs with little help.

Some predicting a decline in Kuz’s numbers this coming season.

https://dobberhockey.com/...erron-and-more-august-10/

Andrei Kuzmenko (VAN – 1.01 A2/60)

There has been a lot made of Kuzmenko's shooting percentage – the highest in many years – but his secondary assist rate was tied for the league lead. Back in the 2021-22 season, of the three players to finish over 1.0 A2/60, the smallest drop in 2022-23 was over 24%, then 36%, then 45%. If Kuzmenko's A2/60 were to fall by just 33%, we can knock off six points from his 2022-23 total of 74. That is just a modest drop, too, so things could get a lot worse.

What is notable is that Elias Pettersson also finished top-10 in A2/60. He and Kuzmenko fed well off each other at all offensive strength, and Pettersson's even-strength shooting percentage was well within norms. There is regression coming for Kuzmenko, and I don't think he gets to 74 points again, but he should still be considered a 60-point threat.
- bloatedmosquito

5m for a 60pt threat is cap well spent. esp when he is defensively responsible.

Some predicting a decline in Kuz’s numbers this coming season.

https://dobberhockey.com/...erron-and-more-august-10/

Andrei Kuzmenko (VAN – 1.01 A2/60)

There has been a lot made of Kuzmenko's shooting percentage – the highest in many years – but his secondary assist rate was tied for the league lead. Back in the 2021-22 season, of the three players to finish over 1.0 A2/60, the smallest drop in 2022-23 was over 24%, then 36%, then 45%. If Kuzmenko's A2/60 were to fall by just 33%, we can knock off six points from his 2022-23 total of 74. That is just a modest drop, too, so things could get a lot worse.

What is notable is that Elias Pettersson also finished top-10 in A2/60. He and Kuzmenko fed well off each other at all offensive strength, and Pettersson's even-strength shooting percentage was well within norms. There is regression coming for Kuzmenko, and I don't think he gets to 74 points again, but he should still be considered a 60-point threat.
- bloatedmosquito

Well I see where this is heading for the Canucks. The offense will take a dip. The D will collapse and tending will struggle. Perfect to tank and sell everything by TDL, right?

Oh wait this is the Canucks. So they will finish outside of the bottom 5 and miss on the lotto. This of course after getting squat for trades at TDL.

Music to misery’s ears, right?

Well I see where this is heading for the Canucks. The offense will take a dip. The D will collapse and tending will struggle. Perfect to tank and sell everything by TDL, right?

Oh wait this is the Canucks. So they will finish outside of the bottom 5 and miss on the lotto. This of course after getting squat for trades at TDL.

Music to misery’s ears, right?
- Quinn's Quest

https://youtu.be/kMEz4cFMlZE

Some predicting a decline in Kuz’s numbers this coming season.

https://dobberhockey.com/...erron-and-more-august-10/

Andrei Kuzmenko (VAN – 1.01 A2/60)

There has been a lot made of Kuzmenko's shooting percentage – the highest in many years – but his secondary assist rate was tied for the league lead. Back in the 2021-22 season, of the three players to finish over 1.0 A2/60, the smallest drop in 2022-23 was over 24%, then 36%, then 45%. If Kuzmenko's A2/60 were to fall by just 33%, we can knock off six points from his 2022-23 total of 74. That is just a modest drop, too, so things could get a lot worse.

What is notable is that Elias Pettersson also finished top-10 in A2/60. He and Kuzmenko fed well off each other at all offensive strength, and Pettersson's even-strength shooting percentage was well within norms. There is regression coming for Kuzmenko, and I don't think he gets to 74 points again, but he should still be considered a 60-point threat.
- bloatedmosquito

Miller is also a 60 pt threat.

https://youtu.be/kMEz4cFMlZE
- Reubenkincade

Very weird response but probably in line with approval for misfortune for Canucks.

Some predicting a decline in Kuz’s numbers this coming season.

https://dobberhockey.com/...erron-and-more-august-10/

Andrei Kuzmenko (VAN – 1.01 A2/60)

There has been a lot made of Kuzmenko's shooting percentage – the highest in many years – but his secondary assist rate was tied for the league lead. Back in the 2021-22 season, of the three players to finish over 1.0 A2/60, the smallest drop in 2022-23 was over 24%, then 36%, then 45%. If Kuzmenko's A2/60 were to fall by just 33%, we can knock off six points from his 2022-23 total of 74. That is just a modest drop, too, so things could get a lot worse.

What is notable is that Elias Pettersson also finished top-10 in A2/60. He and Kuzmenko fed well off each other at all offensive strength, and Pettersson's even-strength shooting percentage was well within norms. There is regression coming for Kuzmenko, and I don't think he gets to 74 points again, but he should still be considered a 60-point threat.
- bloatedmosquito

Oh yeah, but just wait Kuz will get injured, Pettersson is bolting, defence sucks poop, worst in the league. Demko is overrated, Hronek is injury prone, Yzerman is the GM god and bent Allvin over the table. Soucy and Cole are has beens, Hughes is a 80 point cream puff. Mikeyev, Boeser, Garland, Beau, Podkolzin would be press box or AHL talent. Miller will be lucky to get 50 points this season.

Best hope is a lottery pick.

Oh yeah, but just wait Kuz will get injured, Pettersson is bolting, defence sucks poop, worst in the league. Demko is overrated, Hronek is injury prone, Yzerman is the GM god and bent Allvin over the table. Soucy and Cole are has beens, Hughes is a 80 point cream puff. Mikeyev, Boeser, Garland, Beau, Podkolzin would be press box or AHL talent. Miller will be lucky to get 50 points this season.

Best hope is a lottery pick.
- Sea21dog

There I just summed up everyone's thoughts in one post.

https://youtu.be/kMEz4cFMlZE
- Reubenkincade

Miller is also a 60 pt threat.
- A_SteamingLombardi

What stat line is that from?

What stat line is that from?
- Quinn's Quest

Whiners guild.

Oh yeah, but just wait Kuz will get injured, Pettersson is bolting, defence sucks poop, worst in the league. Demko is overrated, Hronek is injury prone, Yzerman is the GM god and bent Allvin over the table. Soucy and Cole are has beens, Hughes is a 80 point cream puff. Mikeyev, Boeser, Garland, Beau, Podkolzin would be press box or AHL talent. Miller will be lucky to get 50 points this season.

Best hope is a lottery pick.
- Sea21dog

Misery squad would agree to all except lottery pick. Canucks don’t win those and tend to trade 1sts away, right?

Well I see where this is heading for the Canucks. The offense will take a dip. The D will collapse and tending will struggle. Perfect to tank and sell everything by TDL, right?

Oh wait this is the Canucks. So they will finish outside of the bottom 5 and miss on the lotto. This of course after getting squat for trades at TDL.

Music to misery’s ears, right?
- Quinn's Quest

STFU.