Easy there... last year was Pinto's rookie season, and he was cast into a #2C role far ahead of any kind of planned development curve. He was being asked to play nearly 16min/GP overall including 2min/GP on the PP, which is a far more significant achievement. By comparison, Fisher didn't play >15min/GP until his 4th season, after having the benefit of 150 NHL games of experience. So if you're asking what Pinto's potential is, it's either as a 2C/3C... which makes him immensely valuable in the context of OTT having very good C depth. Personally, I don't believe they would consider moving Pinto now, any more than they would consider it during the Chychrun trade.

I'd also suggest that trying too hard to be just like another team is a sure-fire way to win nothing. This team has a very different identity than TB, and they need to start working out a way to impose their game plan on other teams and not losing so many close games.
- khawk

I agree.

People seem to be jumping to some major conclusions here, when it was reported that only 5 members actually took part in the issue.
My understanding was that Batherson was not part of that group. So painting the whole team with that broad brush seems a bit extreme. I would prefer to wait to see who actually gets charged with a crime first.

Without sounding crass or unfeeling (I do not know the young woman involved, and what her story to police actually is .... and I will wait for her actual testimony on what occurred before I make a judgement). But the NHL can't be suspending players (assuming no guilt) because they had a lapse (a bad lapse) in judgment or participated in a consentual "orgy" . Again, not meaning to sound crass. If players are guilty of sexual assault or some other crime, then let's deal with it at that point when it comes to what players may have been involved.
But I highly doubt that the Tarasenko talk has anything to do with Batherson. In fact, my belief is that Tarasenko is just using Ottawa as a bargaining chip and has no intention of signing in Ottawa. Quite frankly, I think he re-signs in NY with the Rangers.

People seem to be jumping to some major conclusions here, when it was reported that only 5 members actually took part in the issue.
My understanding was that Batherson was not part of that group. So painting the whole team with that broad brush seems a bit extreme. I would prefer to wait to see who actually gets charged with a crime first.

Without sounding crass or unfeeling (I do not know the young woman involved, and what her story to police actually is .... and I will wait for her actual testimony on what occurred before I make a judgement). But the NHL can't be suspending players (assuming no guilt) because they had a lapse (a bad lapse) in judgment or participated in a consentual "orgy" . Again, not meaning to sound crass. If players are guilty of sexual assault or some other crime, then let's deal with it at that point when it comes to what players may have been involved.
But I highly doubt that the Tarasenko talk has anything to do with Batherson. In fact, my belief is that Tarasenko is just using Ottawa as a bargaining chip and has no intention of signing in Ottawa. Quite frankly, I think he re-signs in NY with the Rangers.
- OttawaB

How can NY re-sign him? They have $2.3M in cap space and still have to re-sign Alex Lafreniere in a situation where they gave Kappo Kakko at $2.1M contract, when Lafreniere is worth more. They have no room to play with after that without a major trade.

It's Ottawa, ARI, ANA, or SEA for Tarasenko. No other team can do it without major roster overhauls elsewhere.

How can NY re-sign him? They have $2.3M in cap space and still have to re-sign Alex Lafreniere in a situation where they gave Kappo Kakko at $2.1M contract, when Lafreniere is worth more. They have no room to play with after that without a major trade.

It's Ottawa, ARI, ANA, or SEA for Tarasenko. No other team can do it without major roster overhauls elsewhere.
- Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuub

Unless the Rangers et al trade for an LTIR contract to cover the contract.

People seem to be jumping to some major conclusions here, when it was reported that only 5 members actually took part in the issue.
My understanding was that Batherson was not part of that group. So painting the whole team with that broad brush seems a bit extreme. I would prefer to wait to see who actually gets charged with a crime first.

Without sounding crass or unfeeling (I do not know the young woman involved, and what her story to police actually is .... and I will wait for her actual testimony on what occurred before I make a judgement). But the NHL can't be suspending players (assuming no guilt) because they had a lapse (a bad lapse) in judgment or participated in a consentual "orgy" . Again, not meaning to sound crass. If players are guilty of sexual assault or some other crime, then let's deal with it at that point when it comes to what players may have been involved.
But I highly doubt that the Tarasenko talk has anything to do with Batherson. In fact, my belief is that Tarasenko is just using Ottawa as a bargaining chip and has no intention of signing in Ottawa. Quite frankly, I think he re-signs in NY with the Rangers.
- OttawaB

The words I heard is Batherson was the pizza guy. Will see if he have consequences

How can NY re-sign him? They have $2.3M in cap space and still have to re-sign Alex Lafreniere in a situation where they gave Kappo Kakko at $2.1M contract, when Lafreniere is worth more. They have no room to play with after that without a major trade.

It's Ottawa, ARI, ANA, or SEA for Tarasenko. No other team can do it without major roster overhauls elsewhere.
- Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuub

Rangers could surprise. They need to move Goodrow ($3.6m with 4 years left on his contract). Goodrow is a strong depth player but far too pricey for a 3rd line player on contending team.

Would any team give up a mid round first for Lafreniere and Goodrow? It would enable Rangers to resign Tarasenko.

Easy there... last year was Pinto's rookie season, and he was cast into a #2C role far ahead of any kind of planned development curve. He was being asked to play nearly 16min/GP overall including 2min/GP on the PP, which is a far more significant achievement. By comparison, Fisher didn't play >15min/GP until his 4th season, after having the benefit of 150 NHL games of experience. So if you're asking what Pinto's potential is, it's either as a 2C/3C... which makes him immensely valuable in the context of OTT having very good C depth. Personally, I don't believe they would consider moving Pinto now, any more than they would consider it during the Chychrun trade.

I'd also suggest that trying too hard to be just like another team is a sure-fire way to win nothing. This team has a very different identity than TB, and they need to start working out a way to impose their game plan on other teams and not losing so many close games.
- khawk

I understand what you are saying - Pinto did an absolutely stellar job. It sucks because Pinto would've had an outstanding season the year before if not for shoulder injury (f Mario ferraro). With this said it's ONE year. Fisher played for over 1100 games and played in 2 cup finals. Will Pinto be able to say that after his career is over?

Don't get me wrong, I like Pinto, but many people liked Colin White. I think they SHOULD consider moving Pinto if it gets them someone like TK and Scott Laugton. I say that because I like Ridly Grieg even more and the fact is with him coming, we don't need Pinto. Especially if he isn't a defensive specialist because he will not see a lot of time in the top 6 with Stutzle and Norris. Speaking of Norris - he also has 1 solid year under his belt (maybe 1.5). IF Norris and Pinto both have great years (+10 and 115-120 points combined) then I'm all good - and will eat my own words

Don't get me wrong. I really like Shane Pinto. I would not move him unless the return was substantial.

Only 14 players have more points then him in the entire 2019 draft; all except 1 have played significantly more games. So he's one of the best so far out of the draft class. I just think with Ridly Grieg coming it's a good piece to use if we want to get a winger like Konenecy and Laughton (I'm biased towards Canadian players - because they are the ons that win the cups, especially down the center ice)

Rangers could surprise. They need to move Goodrow ($3.6m with 4 years left on his contract). Goodrow is a strong depth player but far too pricey for a 3rd line player on contending team.

Would any team give up a mid round first for Lafreniere and Goodrow? It would enable Rangers to resign Tarasenko.
- spatso

Laf is a 1st overall pick from just 3 years ago. He won't be moved to a team in the east - too much risk. Unless the return was good (Pinto lol)

Don't get me wrong. I really like Shane Pinto. I would not move him unless the return was substantial.

Only 14 players have more points then him in the entire 2019 draft; all except 1 have played significantly more games. So he's one of the best so far out of the draft class. I just think with Ridly Grieg coming it's a good piece to use if we want to get a winger like Konenecy and Laughton (I'm biased towards Canadian players - because they are the ons that win the cups, especially down the center ice)
- AlfieisKing

Ottawa is never going to see Konecny and Laughton in a trade together unless there are at least 2 first round picks AND a Greig and Pinto. Its a pipe dream to think otherwise. There are lynchpins and Tortorella favorites in the rebuilding of the Flyers.

Ottawa is never going to see Konecny and Laughton in a trade together unless there are at least 2 first round picks AND a Greig and Pinto. Its a pipe dream to think otherwise. There are lynchpins and Tortorella favorites in the rebuilding of the Flyers.
- OttawaB

Are you saying 2 firsts, Pinto AND Greig?

I think the following works:

To Flyers: Pinto, Joseph, Brannstrom, 2 1st rounds
To Sens: Konecny, Laughton

Are you saying 2 firsts, Pinto AND Greig?

I think the following works:

To Flyers: Pinto, Joseph, Brannstrom, 2 1st rounds
To Sens: Konecny, Laughton
- AlfieisKing

I would not involve Pinto in any trade even if it’s to bolster our top 6 🫣

I would not involve Pinto in any trade even if it’s to bolster our top 6 🫣
- sens4life1971

Philly is not going to want our wastewater in Joseph and Brannstrom. We want them flushed ... why would Philly want them? Especially for Konecny (who would play on our top 6) and Laughton.

If your deal was acceptable .... it would be done already. A no brainer for Ottawa. The Sens have enquired about both and I suspect it hasn't gone further because the asking price is too much.

I would not involve Pinto in any trade even if it’s to bolster our top 6 🫣
- sens4life1971

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. What do you see of Pinto's future? What do you think his next 3 -5 years will look like? I know that's hard to say but it's a good question no?

I would like him to turn into a guy like Ryan Kesler one day but I don't know if I see that physical edge in his game (or even the offensive output)

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. What do you see of Pinto's future? What do you think his next 3 -5 years will look like? I know that's hard to say but it's a good question no?

I would like him to turn into a guy like Ryan Kesler one day but I don't know if I see that physical edge in his game (or even the offensive output)
- AlfieisKing

He’s the perfect 3rd line Center who’s gonna pot 20goals 35-50 pts for next 3-5 yrs 🤷‍♂️
Plus for 3-3.5m that’s pretty good steal 👍

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. What do you see of Pinto's future? What do you think his next 3 -5 years will look like? I know that's hard to say but it's a good question no?

I would like him to turn into a guy like Ryan Kesler one day but I don't know if I see that physical edge in his game (or even the offensive output)
- AlfieisKing

It is a real good question. Pinto scored 20 in his rookie season. A very good number. He is good on face-offs and has great on ice anticipation. He plays a really solid defensive game. He is the kind of player that everyone sees as a 3rd or sometime 2nd line centre. And, you never realize how good a player he is until the playoffs come around and you see him playing head to head against the other teams top line centre.

I could probably talk myself into believing that Norris (@$8m) might be more expendable than Pinto...but I want to keep both.

We don't really need 2 shutdown centres - just one, and you assume that to be Kastelic at this stage. Giroux or Brady can take draws on PK2. You can either run a grind third line, or another scoring threat, and the current roster leans scoring. Pinto would make a great scoring threat C with a couple of competent wingers. Curious to see how Pinto gels with Joseph - they were supposed to play together all last year but the Norris injury Fd that up. Special teams weren't all that bad, so I'm curious why some think we need to pay extra for that skill set. 5 on 5 was our downfall, and if 5 on 5 doesn't improve, neither will this team.

It is a real good question. Pinto scored 20 in his rookie season. A very good number. He is good on face-offs and has great on ice anticipation. He plays a really solid defensive game. He is the kind of player that everyone sees as a 3rd or sometime 2nd line centre. And, you never realize how good a player he is until the playoffs come around and you see him playing head to head against the other teams top line centre.

I could probably talk myself into believing that Norris (@$8m) might be more expendable than Pinto...but I want to keep both.
- spatso

Norris scored 35goals first year on top line
Why is everyone on to him cause he makes 7.5m 🤦‍♂️

We don't really need 2 shutdown centres - just one, and you assume that to be Kastelic at this stage. Giroux or Brady can take draws on PK2. You can either run a grind third line, or another scoring threat, and the current roster leans scoring. Pinto would make a great scoring threat C with a couple of competent wingers. Curious to see how Pinto gels with Joseph - they were supposed to play together all last year but the Norris injury Fd that up. Special teams weren't all that bad, so I'm curious why some think we need to pay extra for that skill set. 5 on 5 was our downfall, and if 5 on 5 doesn't improve, neither will this team.
- Bartacus

Oh boy. I strongly strongly strongly disagree about Kastelic. Sens (and us as fans) are being kind of blind with this team's bottom 6. How did it improve if we swapped Kubalik with DeBrincat? Ridly Grieg and Shane Pinto will have to carry a lot of that load - and not just offensively but defensively. Brady Tkachuk taking draws on PK2? Giroux at times but no, we have Stutzle but Norris needs to be HUGE for this team. He is basically making what Stutzle is

So the comment above about why hard on Norris - he signed a a 63.6M contract !!! That's why. When you sign a bigger contract then Brady Tkachuk, you have to be really really good. Same reason why Chabot was beat on big time

Largest contracts in Sens history:

1) Tim Stutzle - $66.8 million
2) Thomas Chabot - $64 million
3) Josh Norris - $63.6 million
4) Brady Tkachuk - $57.5 million
5) Bobby Ryan - $50 million
6) Erik Karlsson - $45.5 million

Damn Bryan Murray was masterful
That Karlsson draft and contract was pure genius

I'm not dumping on Norris. I haven't been big fan since the beginning. Turris 2.0. Plays with a big heart, can put up points with the right people, but can't drive the play on his own. And that's what his contract suggests. IF he recovers from the shouler thing (and many have look at Brassard's career as an example) AND his numbers stay around that 30+ goals and 80 points then that contract is ok. If not. It's an albatross. It's quite the gamble by Dorion.

Damn Bryan Murray was masterful
That Karlsson draft and contract was pure genius

I'm not dumping on Norris. I haven't been big fan since the beginning. Turris 2.0. Plays with a big heart, can put up points with the right people, but can't drive the play on his own. And that's what his contract suggests. IF he recovers from the shouler thing (and many have look at Brassard's career as an example) AND his numbers stay around that 30+ goals and 80 points then that contract is ok. If not. It's an albatross. It's quite the gamble by Dorion.
- Octavarium

Stutzle scored 22goals on his second year
Norris scored 35goals and roughly equal points
With a healthy shoulder he will put up a run for goals with Stutzle
By the way comparing Stutzle with Norris is ridiculous Stutzle contract was a steal
Norris is paid the right amount for a 30goal scorer
Put Norris with Tkachuk and Giroux
And Stutzle with Bath and Kubalik
Let’s watch the outcome 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
I like Norris personally he’s a great player you guys remind me of the Spezza days 😂😂😂😉

Damn Bryan Murray was masterful
That Karlsson draft and contract was pure genius

I'm not dumping on Norris. I haven't been big fan since the beginning. Turris 2.0. Plays with a big heart, can put up points with the right people, but can't drive the play on his own. And that's what his contract suggests. IF he recovers from the shouler thing (and many have look at Brassard's career as an example) AND his numbers stay around that 30+ goals and 80 points then that contract is ok. If not. It's an albatross. It's quite the gamble by Dorion.
- Octavarium

Good point!

What scares me is that Norris scored 16 PP goals in 2021-2022! (tied 3rd most in the NHL). He was tied with Stamkos, Matthews, Ovechkin, DUCHENE, and Rantanen. He had a way better shooting % then ALL of them with 20.4%! Is he going to be able to replicate this? I would be very concerned if Norris doesn't score beyond 25g. I would be ok if he has like 10 in his first 35 or 40 games but then has a huge half where he hits around 25. But 8M ---- that's a lot of $ for someone who doesn't at least hit 65 points (his career high is 55, know it was a shorten season but his shooting % was at level that I don't think he can replicate)

Stutzle scored 22goals on his second year
Norris scored 35goals and roughly equal points
With a healthy shoulder he will put up a run for goals with Stutzle
By the way comparing Stutzle with Norris is ridiculous Stutzle contract was a steal
Norris is paid the right amount for a 30goal scorer
Put Norris with Tkachuk and Giroux
And Stutzle with Bath and Kubalik
Let’s watch the outcome 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
I like Norris personally he’s a great player you guys remind me of the Spezza days 😂😂😂😉
- sens4life1971

I think the concern here is with his health AND the sample size. With Spezza (2nd overall) and Stutzle (3rd overall) their raw talent is apparent. 51 players scored 30 goals that season. How many of them got hurt or had the season Norris had (2 goals in 8 games which puts him on a what, 20 goal pace?). There's reason to be concerned - it's not so much about whipping on Norris. I agree that would be unfair

Lines I would like to see:

Tkachuk - Norris - Giroux
Kubalik - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Grieg - Pinto - Batherson

*can swap Batherson and Giroux. Even Tarasenko or Stutzle at times

Damn. Who left the barn door open? All the Eeyores are escaping.

Glass half empty kinda group. Always something to complain about. The salary structure for this team is fine for now.

Last thing for Dorion to work on .... a trade to bring in a guy for the 2nd line so they can move Kubalik down to the 3rd line. Then improve on the bottom line.