Deal?

To Philadelphia
Shane Pinto, Tyler Boucher, Mathieu Joseph, 2021 1st (OTT)

To Ottawa
Scott Laughton, Travis Konecny

*Hard to give up Pinto but Ridly Grieg, Ostapchuck are here
- AlfieisKing

Like.
If we take the Sens coloured glasses off for a second.
Pinto----who may turn into a 2nd line center...maybe...but likely a 3rd liner.
Boucher, while not his fault, was drafted way too high and is a dud.
annnd Joseph who after a brief flash is now an overpaid 3rd/4th liner.

Philly doesn't do that deal ever

Like.
If we take the Sens coloured glasses off for a second.
Pinto----who may turn into a 2nd line center...maybe...but likely a 3rd liner.
Boucher, while not his fault, was drafted way too high and is a dud.
annnd Joseph who after a brief flash is now an overpaid 3rd/4th liner.

Philly doesn't do that deal ever
- Octavarium

If only had Ottawa drafted Travis Konecny rather than Colin White in 2015, we’d already have him.

If only had Ottawa drafted Travis Konecny rather than Colin White in 2015, we’d already have him.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

This. Passing on Konecny when he played up the road at the Civic... Ugh. It would've only cost you bus fare to scout him.

This deal sucks but Dorion was painted into a corner. The problem when making trades like last year's for Debrincat is you often have no scope to talk to the player or their agent about their long term plans, and even if you do, almost every RFA will tell you 'I want to contribute and win wherever I am', because it doesn't help their long term prospects or bottom line to be difficult in negotiations when they have limited RFA leverage. Increasingly though we will see players in their last year of RFA using their prerogative to choose or direct where they want to end up, like PLD and AD (or just staying in college like Adam Fox - another reason why drafting US players can be risky). The biggest red flag that Dorion should be criticized for was AD's 9M QO based on his previous contract, which you knew was there plain as day when the deal was made. Lesson learned - don't give away very solid futures for only one guaranteed year.

All things considered, Dorion didn't fare too poorly on this, and it's nice it is over. Good on Debrincat, finding his way to his hometown team - that's a nice story. I hope he succeeds there.

Philly is not doing that deal. I don't think Konecny is truly on the trade block. I think the Flyers want him for the rebuild.
But I do think Laughton is acquirable. Boucher, Joseph or one of them and a 2nd round pick. Probably would need Joseph included to make the cap space.

Although it also would not surprise me to see Ottawa chuck out a 4rth rounder to nab an LTIR player like Bryan Little from Arizona in order for us to exceed the cap space for this season. Little only has 1 year left so we would not have to carry it long term.
- OttawaB

Good point. Sens have 1st round picks. They should use them. Window for Sens to win is now 2025-2030

Good point. Sens have 1st round picks. They should use them. Window for Sens to win is now 2025-2030
- AlfieisKing

Looking at the that 1sts' potential scenarios.

If Boston's frist is top 10 this year, then Boston can opt to keep it.
But then Detroit gets to choose between their first in 2024, or Boston's unprotected 2025? Could be a great time for Boston to finally fall off as many have speculated, wrongly for the past while.

Boston and Detroit both missing and finish 11-14 would great too, more most likely a pick 16-24 is in the works.

This is a case where the media folk didnt help, and dorion for that matter. , by putting too much negative pressure on it.
He didn't want to play here or canada, fine. I think some (many) nhl players are soft . They dont like the attention in canada . Nfl,mlb,nba players get the same and more in the usa and dont cry about it. Go sit by your pool and go shopping while no one cares about you or your sport.

Good point. Sens have 1st round picks. They should use them. Window for Sens to win is now 2025-2030
- AlfieisKing

Its a sliding line, hopefully not a mirage. For me the line is this year

This is a case where the media folk didnt help, and dorion for that matter. , by putting too much negative pressure on it.
He didn't want to play here or canada, fine. I think some (many) nhl players are soft . They dont like the attention in canada . Nfl,mlb,nba players get the same and more in the usa and dont cry about it. Go sit by your pool and go shopping while no one cares about you or your sport.
- spazzbot

Sour grapes

So last year the Sens dealt for DeBrincat and Chychrun in trades and they signed UFAs Giroux and Brassard. They also added four players to their roster that qualified as rookies under the Calder voting (Sanderson, Pinto, Kestelec and Grieg).

I just don't get the commentators who want to micro analyze every transaction until they finally come up with a negative outcome and try to evaluate the total work around a single negative rather than the entire body of work.

Last year Boston put together a remarkable regular season. During the stretch drive they gave Detroit a 1st round pick for Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi was one of the best Bruins, down the stretch and during their short playoff run against the Panthers. Now Bertuzzi has walked for nothing and Ottawa has the draft pick. Did Boston make a mistake in dealing for Bertuzzi?

The Panthers ruined the Bruins record breaking season. These are the same Panthers talking heads spent all season calling "failure" until they made the playoffs on the final weekend of the season. Critics openly wondered, why Zito gave up so much to acquire Matthew Tkachuck.

I was never a huge fan of Ottawa trading for DeBrincat. Also had strong doubts about the signing of Giroux. I did not like the draft of Brady Tkachuck. Was disappointed that Byfield did not drop to the Sens in the Stutzle draft.

But, clearly Dorion and his staff did a far better job of making choices than if I had been GM. When folks whine about a decision Dorion made, I would like for them to give one example of what they got wrong.

Don’t know what everyone going on about does people really think Dorion had slot of options trading Cat
No one wanted to sign him long term for that kind of money plus not a lot of teams had the cap too
Then add in what’s the point when they all knew Debrincat was going to FA anyways and wasn’t signing with them 🤷‍♂️
Then I see nonsense of trading Pinto 🤦‍♂️he’s the exact 3rd liner we need who can jump up in line and pot 20goals
Put him with Kubalik on 3rd line that’s two 20 goal scorers on 3rd line and maybe just maybe with Joseph and pinto they might gel and not be a defensive awareness liability 🤞
I’m ok with trade I say it is what it is just wanted it done and over with time to move on
Now the task is who does PD trade to get money off book to bring in that 2nd line LW we need ..

Don’t know what everyone going on about does people really think Dorion had slot of options trading Cat
No one wanted to sign him long term for that kind of money plus not a lot of teams had the cap too
Then add in what’s the point when they all knew Debrincat was going to FA anyways and wasn’t signing with them 🤷‍♂️
Then I see nonsense of trading Pinto 🤦‍♂️he’s the exact 3rd liner we need who can jump up in line and pot 20goals
Put him with Kubalik on 3rd line that’s two 20 goal scorers on 3rd line and maybe just maybe with Joseph and pinto they might gel and not be a defensive awareness liability 🤞
I’m ok with trade I say it is what it is just wanted it done and over with time to move on
Now the task is who does PD trade to get money off book to bring in that 2nd line LW we need ..
- sens4life1971

A+.

Don’t know what everyone going on about does people really think Dorion had slot of options trading Cat
No one wanted to sign him long term for that kind of money plus not a lot of teams had the cap too
Then add in what’s the point when they all knew Debrincat was going to FA anyways and wasn’t signing with them 🤷‍♂️
Then I see nonsense of trading Pinto 🤦‍♂️he’s the exact 3rd liner we need who can jump up in line and pot 20goals
Put him with Kubalik on 3rd line that’s two 20 goal scorers on 3rd line and maybe just maybe with Joseph and pinto they might gel and not be a defensive awareness liability 🤞
I’m ok with trade I say it is what it is just wanted it done and over with time to move on
Now the task is who does PD trade to get money off book to bring in that 2nd line LW we need ..
- sens4life1971

He has done it before, but I wouldn't necessarily bank on Kubalik scoring 20. He can tend to disappear quickly. If you try to concentrate his minutes on the PP, that's probably the best option for productivity.

https://eyesonisles.com/p...on-with-team-01h50t01dftz


Surely there was a better deal here.
Pageau (nothing retained)
Wahlstrom (you're not getting Dobson from them)
1st round pick protected

DeBrincat
Joseph--offsets some of Pageau's money.

I woulda done that.

https://eyesonisles.com/posts/report-ny-islanders-believed-alex-debrincat-was-willing-to-sign-an-extension-with-team-01h50t01dftz


Surely there was a better deal here.
Pageau (nothing retained)
Wahlstrom (you're not getting Dobson from them)
1st round pick protected

DeBrincat
Joseph--offsets some of Pageau's money.

I woulda done that.
- Octavarium

We don’t need centers we are good down the middle we needed Wings 🤷‍♂️

Pageau could play goalie if you asked him.
I don't think he'd be confined to center.

Pageau could play goalie if you asked him.
I don't think he'd be confined to center.
- Octavarium

Let’s face facts, unless you get a player in return who can score over 60 points with the very realistic shot of scoring 40 in a year, the Sens will lose every trade involving Debrincat. It’s the same reason why so many pundits thought Ottawa won the trade last year.

It’s happened. Debrincat is gone. There is some cap relief that Dorion has to use very carefully. This is an important year. Anything but playoffs will be considered a failure and you are more of less stuck with the group you have now. There isn’t a lot of room to make significant additions unless you move significant pieces.

I’d like to see Pinto signed and an affordable 2nd3rd liner brought in. I wonder what the contract demands of a Tomas Tatar are. Could be an ideal 1 year contract situation if the market is soft.

Its a sliding line, hopefully not a mirage. For me the line is this year
- spazzbot

Sens need to make the playoffs.
They need a big bounce back HEALTHY year from Norris (30g 30a if he hits 80gp). That contract is big.

The Sens need goaltending!
They also need Kubalik to hit 20-25g.

Trading Nick Paul for Mathieu Joseph (too much $!)
Getting DeBrincat for a 7th pick overall only to give him away the following year
Trading a young sweed goalie to MIN for an aging talbot (who did nothing)

These things can't just be overlooked! And this coming from someone who has defended the GM for years

Like.
If we take the Sens coloured glasses off for a second.
Pinto----who may turn into a 2nd line center...maybe...but likely a 3rd liner.
Boucher, while not his fault, was drafted way too high and is a dud.
annnd Joseph who after a brief flash is now an overpaid 3rd/4th liner.

Philly doesn't do that deal ever
- Octavarium

Add another 1st rounder. Erik Brannstrom, Lassi Thomson, JBD all there as well. Sens need to move assets because I have a feeling only 1 or 2 of the 5 (Branny, JBD, Thomson, Boucher, Pinto) will be consistently effective in Ottawa

I’d like to see Pinto signed and an affordable 2nd3rd liner brought in. I wonder what the contract demands of a Tomas Tatar are. Could be an ideal 1 year contract situation if the market is soft.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

These are the two major things left to do. 5M left, 2-3 goes to Pinto for 2-4 years. If you can nab a Tarasenko or Tatar at 2M*1, golden. Wish Dorion had been involved on Daniel Sprong... 21 goals, 46 points in 11:25 per game. A minute more than Austin Watson per game, over four times the points. Signed with Wings 2M*1. Deals are out there, findable. Tatar is an example of a player that routinely gets undervalued for some unbeknownst reason. Most teams will be looking to nab those guys on 1*1 deals, if we can add the extra mil we should be able to land one. Just please don't put us over the cap and force our hand on another move... Leave that to Treliving.

Sour grapes
- LFS

Perhaps but its reality for every Canadian team. Many players in the nhl dont like the attention.. Even with canadian players. Who usually only come here by draft or ageing players who want to retire at home. Like i said not all but many. Thats why i think nhl players are soft
Why do nfl,mlb,nba players not seem to mind the excessive media,fan adoration ?

Sens need to make the playoffs.
They need a big bounce back HEALTHY year from Norris (30g 30a if he hits 80gp). That contract is big.

The Sens need goaltending!
They also need Kubalik to hit 20-25g.

Trading Nick Paul for Mathieu Joseph (too much $!)
Getting DeBrincat for a 7th pick overall only to give him away the following year
Trading a young sweed goalie to MIN for an aging talbot (who did nothing)

These things can't just be overlooked! And this coming from someone who has defended the GM for years
- AlfieisKing

If the ownership change was completed in May, i suspect Dorion would have been let go.
In a total assesment likely has done a fair job. But after this long i do believe its time for a new voice.

If we assume that Kubalik is their answer to the 2nd line winger role, then I'd expect them to turn their attention pretty hard to Scott Laughton in PHI. They now have the 1st round pick to make the deal possible, and his $3.0M x 3yrs deal is the right level for them in terms of AAV/term. He's a versatile C/W that can play up and down the lineup, including either special teams. In would also give them much-needed insurance down the middle as well, which is not a minor issue given that Norris and Pinto have each had season-long injuries in the past 2 seasons.

Kubalik with a healthy Norris and Batherson... All those guys have great shots. Providing they don't play him with Joseph a mix-match of 4th liners, I think he'll do well.

If we assume that Kubalik is their answer to the 2nd line winger role, then I'd expect them to turn their attention pretty hard to Scott Laughton in PHI. They now have the 1st round pick to make the deal possible, and his $3.0M x 3yrs deal is the right level for them in terms of AAV/term. He's a versatile C/W that can play up and down the lineup, including either special teams. In would also give them much-needed insurance down the middle as well, which is not a minor issue given that Norris and Pinto have each had season-long injuries in the past 2 seasons.
- khawk

If you can acquire Laughton with a lineup that includes Kubalik, their cumulative points from last year will be 88 which eclipse Debrincat’s 66-point campaign last year. As Moneyball would say, you might not be able to replace him, but you can recreate him.

I am not sold that Laughton is an easily acquirable guy. Coming off a career best year and has a little edge to his game. Would be an ok addition if Dorion can pull off something.

Would love to see Dorion get the Joseph contract out of the mix one way or another. You saw last year the value of removing the Zaitsev contract which allowed more cash to allow the acquisition of Chychrun.

If we assume that Kubalik is their answer to the 2nd line winger role, then I'd expect them to turn their attention pretty hard to Scott Laughton in PHI. They now have the 1st round pick to make the deal possible, and his $3.0M x 3yrs deal is the right level for them in terms of AAV/term. He's a versatile C/W that can play up and down the lineup, including either special teams. In would also give them much-needed insurance down the middle as well, which is not a minor issue given that Norris and Pinto have each had season-long injuries in the past 2 seasons.
- khawk

If Laughton can be fit into our cap after Pinto is resigned, adding him would make a lot of sense.